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Athlon vs sempron - Upgrade one, or switch entirely?

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    amd is the worst except the x3

    The x3 is worse than the x4?

    Andrew, you are not really providing enough details on your situation. This is especially true since there are many models of Athlon and sempron that range in performance so broadly it is impossible to say based on what you have told us.
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  3. I have, but every time I paste the specs for the two units, it tells me my post has been successful and then shows a blank message. Don't know if it is because of FF or because I'm a newly registered user.... but I give up on this site.
  4. Here's my original post that never showed up...
    Hello,
    I recently was given a computer, and although I am somewhat geeky, I am lost in the Sempron vs Athlon world. My current model is a Sempron 3000+ (1.6Ghz, with 1.5G RAM). The new one offered is an Athlon XP 3200+ (2.2Ghz, with 448mb RAM),

    I have a pretty good PCIe video card in my Sempron model, and can play games relatively well, but I would love something with a little more processor speed. What I can't seem to determine is which machine would I be better off with?

    My current Sempron has 1.5gb RAM + a nVidia GT220 w/ 1024mb video memory, conceivably, since the Athlon ~appears~ to be faster to my untrained eyes, I would pull the nVidia PCIe card and install it in the Athlon (that has only 256mb card), and then upgrade the RAM in the Athlon box. (I have another nVidia 512mb video card I can reinstall in the Sempron). Would this be worth doing? Would it make a noticeable difference in my gaming and graphic art programs?

    I included the two text files from CPUID that shows the exact details, if I quoted any specs above, that's because I'm losing my nerdy edge. Sorry! Any help you can offer would be really appreciated! I just don't want to take the trouble to make a box change if it isn't going to be worth it. Thanks a lot!!

    ___________________________
    ____MY CURRENT COMPUTER ____
    CPU-Z TXT Report
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Binaries
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    CPU-Z version 1.53.1

    Processors
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of processors 1
    Number of threads 1

    APICs
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Processor 0
    -- Core 0
    -- Thread 0 0

    Processors Information
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Processor 1 ID = 0
    Number of cores 1 (max 1)
    Number of threads 1 (max 1)
    Name AMD Sempron 3000+
    Codename Manila
    Specification AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+
    Package Socket AM2 (940)
    CPUID F.F.2
    Extended CPUID F.4F
    Brand ID 6
    Core Stepping DH-F2
    Technology 90 nm
    Core Speed 1607.5 MHz
    Multiplier x FSB 8.0 x 200.9 MHz
    HT Link speed 803.7 MHz
    Instructions sets MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, x86-64
    L1 Data cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
    L1 Instruction cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
    L2 cache 256 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
    FID/VID Control no

    K8 Thermal sensor yes
    K8 Revision ID 5.2
    Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 0
    Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 1
    Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 2
    Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 3


    Thread dumps
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    CPU Thread 0
    APIC ID 0
    Topology Processor ID 0, Core ID 0, Thread ID 0
    Type 02002006h
    Max CPUID level 00000001h
    Max CPUID ext. level 80000018h
    Cache descriptor Level 1, I, 64 KB, 1 thread(s)
    Cache descriptor Level 1, D, 64 KB, 1 thread(s)
    Cache descriptor Level 2, U, 256 KB, 1 thread(s)


    Chipset
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Northbridge NVIDIA MCP61 rev. A2
    Southbridge NVIDIA MCP61 rev. A2
    Graphic Interface PCI-Express
    PCI-E Link Width x8
    PCI-E Max Link Width x16
    Memory Type DDR2
    Memory Size 1536 MBytes
    Channels Single
    Memory Frequency 267.9 MHz (CPU/6)
    CAS# latency (CL) 4.0
    RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 4
    RAS# Precharge (tRP) 4
    Cycle Time (tRAS) 12
    Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 17
    Command Rate (CR) 2T

    Memory SPD
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DIMM # 1
    SMBus address 0x50
    Memory type DDR2
    Module format Regular UDIMM
    Manufacturer (ID) Transcend Information (7F4F000000000000)
    Size 512 MBytes
    Max bandwidth PC2-4300 (266 MHz)
    Part number JM367Q643A-5
    Number of banks 1
    Data width 64 bits
    Correction None
    Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
    EPP no
    XMP no
    JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
    JEDEC #1 3.0-3-3-9-12 @ 200 MHz
    JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
    JEDEC #3 5.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz

    DIMM # 2
    SMBus address 0x51
    Memory type DDR2
    Module format Regular UDIMM
    Manufacturer (ID) Transcend Information (7F4F000000000000)
    Size 1024 MBytes
    Max bandwidth PC2-4300 (266 MHz)
    Part number JM388Q643A-5
    Number of banks 2
    Data width 64 bits
    Correction None
    Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
    EPP no
    XMP no
    JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
    JEDEC #1 3.0-3-3-9-12 @ 200 MHz
    JEDEC #2 4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
    JEDEC #3 5.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz

    DIMM # 1
    SPD registers
    00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F

    DIMM # 2
    SPD registers
    00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F


    Monitoring
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Mainboard Model MS-7309 (0x000001A0 - 0x005F1C39)

    Graphics
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of adapters 1

    Graphic APIs
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    API NVIDIA NVAPI
    API NVIDIA I/O

    Display Adapters
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Display adapter 0
    Manuf. API index 0
    Display name \\.\DISPLAY1
    Name NVIDIA GeForce GT 220
    Revision A2
    Codename GT216
    Technology 40 nm
    Memory size 1024 MB
    PCI device bus 2 (0x2), device 0 (0x0), function 0 (0x0)
    Vendor ID 0x10DE (0x196E)
    Model ID 0x0A20 (0x0699)
    Performance Level Default
    Core clock 135.0 MHz
    Shader clock 270.0 MHz
    Memory clock 135.0 MHz
    Performance Level 2D Desktop
    Core clock 405.0 MHz
    Shader clock 810.0 MHz
    Memory clock 324.0 MHz
    Performance Level 3D Applications
    Core clock 625.0 MHz
    Shader clock 1360.0 MHz
    Memory clock 400.0 MHz


    Software
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
    DirectX Version 9.0c


    ___________________________
    ____The Proposed Computer ____
    Specs don't reflect the PCIe video card I would put in it, or maxing out the RAM of this unit.


    CPU-Z TXT Report
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Binaries
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    CPU-Z version 1.53.1

    Processors
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of processors 1
    Number of threads 1

    APICs
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Processor 0
    -- Core 0
    -- Thread 0 0

    Processors Information
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Processor 1 ID = 0
    Number of cores 1 (max 1)
    Number of threads 1 (max 1)
    Name AMD Athlon XP
    Codename Barton
    Specification AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+
    Package Socket A (462)
    CPUID 6.A.0
    Extended CPUID 7.A
    Core Stepping
    Technology 0.13 um
    Core Speed 2200.2 MHz
    Multiplier x FSB 11.0 x 200.0 MHz
    Rated Bus speed 400.0 MHz
    Instructions sets MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE
    L1 Data cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
    L1 Instruction cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
    L2 cache 512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
    FID/VID Control no

    K7 Thermal sensor yes


    Thread dumps
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    CPU Thread 0
    APIC ID 0
    Topology Processor ID 0, Core ID 0, Thread ID 0
    Type 02001002h
    Max CPUID level 00000001h
    Max CPUID ext. level 80000008h
    Cache descriptor Level 1, I, 64 KB, 1 thread(s)
    Cache descriptor Level 1, D, 64 KB, 1 thread(s)
    Cache descriptor Level 2, U, 512 KB, 1 thread(s)


    Chipset
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Northbridge VIA KM400 rev. 00
    Southbridge VIA VT8237 rev. 00
    Graphic Interface AGP
    AGP Revision 2.0
    AGP Transfer Rate 4x
    AGP SBA supported, enabled
    Memory Type DDR
    Memory Size 512 MBytes
    Memory Frequency 200.0 MHz (1:1)
    DRAM Interleave 4-way
    CAS# latency (CL) 2.5
    RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 5
    RAS# Precharge (tRP) 3
    Cycle Time (tRAS) 7

    Memory SPD
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DIMM # 1
    SMBus address 0x50
    Memory type DDR
    Manufacturer (ID) Hyundai Electronics (AD00000000000000)
    Size 512 MBytes
    Max bandwidth PC2700 (166 MHz)
    Part number HYMD264 646B8J-J
    Serial number 1C1A9012
    Manufacturing date Week 104/Year 35
    Number of banks 2
    Data width 64 bits
    Correction None
    Registered no
    Buffered no
    Nominal Voltage 2.50 Volts
    EPP no
    XMP no
    JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
    JEDEC #1 2.0-3-3-6-0 @ 133 MHz
    JEDEC #2 2.5-3-3-7-0 @ 166 MHz

    DIMM # 1
    SPD registers
    00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F


    Monitoring
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Mainboard Model Kelut (0x00000205 - 0x0003D9C0)


    DMI
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DMI BIOS
    vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD
    version 3.10
    date 07/26/2004

    DMI System Information
    manufacturer Compaq Presario 061
    product PJ518AA-ABA SR1230NX NA440
    version 0nB1411CO101KELUT00
    serial CNH43707M8
    UUID 60F4FA51-9B01D911-9DA6F573-ACBCCDAA

    DMI Baseboard
    vendor ASUSTek Computer INC.
    model Kelut
    revision 2.02
    serial MB-1234567890

    DMI System Enclosure
    manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
    chassis type Desktop
    chassis serial unknown

    DMI Processor
    manufacturer AMD
    model AMD Athlon(tm) XP
    clock speed 2200.0 MHz
    FSB speed 200.0 MHz
    multiplier 11.0x

    DMI Memory Controller
    correction unknown
    Max module size 32 MBytes

    DMI Memory Module
    designation A0
    size 512 MBytes (double bank)

    DMI Memory Module
    designation A1

    DMI Port Connector
    designation PRIMARY IDE (internal)
    connector On Board IDE

    DMI Port Connector
    designation SECONDARY IDE (internal)
    connector On Board IDE

    DMI Port Connector
    designation FDD (internal)
    port type 8251 FIFO Compatible
    connector On Board Floppy

    DMI Port Connector
    designation COM1 (internal)
    port type Serial Port 16450
    connector 9 Pin Dual Inline (pin 10 cut)
    connector DB-9 male

    DMI Port Connector
    designation COM2 (internal)
    port type Serial Port 16450
    connector 9 Pin Dual Inline (pin 10 cut)
    connector DB-9 male

    DMI Port Connector
    designation LPT1 (internal)
    port type Parallel Port ECP/EPP
    connector DB-25 female
    connector DB-25 female

    DMI Port Connector
    designation Keyboard (internal)
    port type Keyboard Port
    connector PS/2
    connector PS/2

    DMI Port Connector
    designation PS/2 Mouse (internal)
    port type Mouse Port
    connector PS/2
    connector PS/2

    DMI Port Connector
    designation USB0 (external)
    port type USB

    DMI Port Connector
    designation VIDEO (external)
    port type Video Port
    connector DB-15 female

    DMI Port Connector
    designation AUDIO (external)
    port type Audio Port

    DMI Port Connector
    designation ETHERNET (external)
    port type Network Port
    connector RJ-45

    DMI Extension Slot
    designation PCI0
    type PCI
    width 32 bits
    populated yes

    DMI Extension Slot
    designation PCI1
    type PCI
    width 32 bits
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    DMI Extension Slot
    designation PCI2
    type PCI
    width 32 bits
    populated yes

    DMI Extension Slot
    designation AGP
    type AGP 8x
    width 32 bits
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    DMI Physical Memory Array
    location Motherboard
    usage System Memory
    correction None
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    DMI Memory Device
    designation A0
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    total width 64 bits
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    DMI Memory Device
    designation A1
    format DIMM
    type unknown


    Graphics
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of adapters 2

    Graphic APIs
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    API NVIDIA I/O

    Display Adapters
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Display adapter 0
    Display name \\.\DISPLAY1
    Name NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500 (Microsoft Corporation)
    Revision B1
    Codename NV34
    Technology 0.15 um
    Memory size 256 MB
    Memory type DDR
    PCI device bus 0 (0x0), device 8 (0x8), function 0 (0x0)
    Vendor ID 0x10DE (0x0000)
    Model ID 0x0326 (0x0000)
    Performance Level 0

    Display adapter 1
    Display name \\.\DISPLAY2
    Name VIA/S3G UniChrome IGP
    Memory size 64 MB
    PCI device bus 1 (0x1), device 0 (0x0), function 0 (0x0)
    Vendor ID 0x1106 (0x1043)
    Model ID 0x7205 (0x8118)
    Performance Level 0


    Software
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
    DirectX Version 9.0c


    Any thoughts? Thanks again! Andrew!
  5. your idea about mixing the systems and taking the athlon would be welll worth it and increase performance for sure.
  6. +1 Enzo

    The Athlon is faster and would be worth the switch. Here is an article with a higher model sempron losing to an Athlon 3000+: http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2170&p=4
  7. Thanks all! Sorry about the screwups with the blank posts! I appreciated the advice, it confirmed what I had assumed, but didn't have enough familiarity to really judge. Thanks!
  8. Best answer
    You won't be able to swap out processors.

    The Semperon is a socket AM2 and the AthelonXP is a socket A.
  9. mbscomp said:
    You won't be able to swap out processors.

    The Semperon is a socket AM2 and the AthelonXP is a socket A.


    But he will be able to swap out the GPU.
  10. PCI-e vs. AGP
  11. I revise my opinion. I wasn't paying close enough attention to the specs. We are comparing this:
    http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Sempron%2064%203000+%20-%20SDA3000IAA3CN%20(SDA3000CNBOX).html

    to this:
    http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/AMD-Athlon%20XP%203200%2B%20-%20AXDA3200DKV4E.html

    Which aren't even on the same socket. This Athlon is an Athlon xp not an Athlon 64

    The sempron would still perform worse than the the 3 year older athlon xp, but not by as much. especially when you take into consideration that you would be abandoning the DDR2 ram for DDR ram.
    And yes you would not be able to put that video card in the Athlon board because it does not have a pci-e slot.
    So really, if you wanted to do anything, you couldn't anyway.
  12. I can’t believe 2 of us missed that. Thanks mbscomp. I was looking at it the same way enzo was lol. I stand corrected.
  13. Best answer selected by andrew-michigan.
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