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Trying Again --- NEW i7-860 BUILD

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November 4, 2009 12:26:20 PM

This is going to be my first build guys, so please try to explain as much as you see fit :D 

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: ASAP (my pc sucks right now) BUDGET RANGE: (e.g.: 0-950) Before / After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Video Editing, Video Encoding, Gaming, Watching Video, Internet Browsing
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, hard drives, disk drive (unless you can find a super-cheap blu-ray player, or even better, a writer)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I have been looking on newegg.com, but if you know of a better site with a better price, PLEASE enlighten me

PARTS PREFERENCES: i7-860, at least 8 gig of RAM (as FAST as possible!), a motherboard that supports PATA (I have 2 old hard drives I want to use), and if possible for the budget a graphics card (im running a GeForce 7600, so I need to upgrade) and a high def (1080p) monitor above 20`

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe (dont know how/never done it before, but i might expiriment SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Not planning on it, but if i come across a good deal, who knows?

MONITOR RESOLUTION: I dont really know, but whatever would look best at 1080p and widescreen over 20`

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: If the case can have easy to access front usb ports and a headphone jack, that would be preferable

If its possible to make this cheaper than the max budget, please feel free to let me know. This will be my first build, and im a little worried about it because of the price range >_>

Thanks again, yall!

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November 4, 2009 1:41:22 PM

Is there a reason you want to re-use your old IDE hard drives? The new models are much faster for around $50. I don't see why you would cripple your new system with a slow hard drive.
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November 4, 2009 2:34:31 PM

Do you have a Microcenter near you? If you do, the i7 860 is only $229. I want one for myself after building workstations at work with them. It performs great, but I'm gonna resist and wait till the newer motherboards and new CPU revisions are out.

These are the new motherbards with revised cpu socket, USB 3, and SATA 3.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: I've been been great results with Mushkin and G.Skill
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 4, 2009 4:52:52 PM

unfortunately, there are no micro centers in florida >_>
and i would love to wait, except my AMD Athlon 64 sucks, and i require more power very quickly.
also, what is the difference between the two motherboards that you recommended? (as well as the memory, because they seem to be the same except for price, and i know that i have seen cheaper i7 compatible memory)

shortstuff_mt, the reason i want to reuse my old harddrives is because i have 700 gigs of them, and i see no reason to just throw them away. i have a 1T SATA drive on my desk right now, but it is not compatible with my current motherboard. this is the drive that i will install windows 7 on, and put the most important information on.
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November 4, 2009 5:22:48 PM

iharvey92 said:
unfortunately, there are no micro centers in florida >_>
and i would love to wait, except my AMD Athlon 64 sucks, and i require more power very quickly.
also, what is the difference between the two motherboards that you recommended? (as well as the memory, because they seem to be the same except for price, and i know that i have seen cheaper i7 compatible memory).


As far as I can see the more expensive has 3 PCI-E slots VS 2 that the other one has.
As for the ram...The Mushkin has slightly tighter timings that the G.Skill
The tighter the timings, the faster the ram.
Also, the tighter timings of high performance ram has been known to cause issues.
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November 4, 2009 5:42:29 PM

why would tighter (i am assuming this means faster?) timing cause issues?
and do you think that 1 PCI-E slot is worth the extra money? because its a lot...
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November 4, 2009 6:01:00 PM

what is UD6? a technology on motherboards for OCing?
and what are the main benefits of usb 3.0? i have heard that its faster, but is it going to replace usb 2.0 in the next 3-4 years? because i dont plan on getting a new computer for a while after this one.

and what about memory like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ? how do i know which memory to use, keeping in mind that im on a budget and i want it to be fast?
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November 4, 2009 6:40:34 PM

The UD6 is just what masterasia said...one extra pci-e port. The overclocking software is basically the same for the gigabyte range of motherboards. The best way to overclock is through the bios tho.

If you want to upgrade to usb 3.0 when it actually becomes mainstream you can always buy a pci controller from asus for $30.

The main difference on memory you want to watch out for is timings and the rated speed. The memory you chose is ddr3 1333 which is perfectly fine if you don't plan on overclocking. If you do decide to overclock you might want to look at drr3 1600 memory such as this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would recommend this hard drive..I would not recommend using an old pata hard drive as they are significantly slower.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 4, 2009 8:29:35 PM

the thing is, i have a LOT of media. enough that i have filled the 700 gig of internal hard drive space, and filled another 250 externally. i would really only be using these extra hard drives to store the large files that i use infrequently, almost like a server inside my machine. everything important i will have on my hitachi 1T, which it appears newegg.com has stopped selling.

i appreciate the memory recommendation, that looks like the type i will be using.

the price difference between the motherboards with usb 3.0 and without doesnt seem to be too significant, so i think i will probably get one of the two recommended with it.

any input on what gpu to get that will suit the needs of my system, along with a HD 1080p monitor?
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November 5, 2009 1:30:01 PM

wait, looking at the RAM recommended by cory1234 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...), i noticed that the CAS latency was 9. i thought that you wanted a lower latency?

also, you can OC memory? is the benifit there that information transfers faster? are there any other benifits?

thanks :D 
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November 5, 2009 4:34:44 PM

iharvey92 said:
what about memory like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ?

Do NOT purchase this RAM. This is rated at 1.65 - 1.85V. The P55 motherboards can only run RAM at 1.65V or less. Anything else can fry your system.

cory1234 said:
If you do decide to overclock you might want to look at drr3 1600 memory such as this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is the RAM I got. I have not had any major difficulties with them. That being said, I also am not running them at their optimal settings right now. Each time I tweak them something unrelated happens and I have to set them back to default recognized levels (1333) to iron out problems. If I could do it over again I would have gotten tighter timings on 1333 speed RAM so then I wouldn't have to mess around with changing the settings so often.


These recommendations should work great for you if you can afford them. Because they are faster than 1333 you will likely have to tweak the settings or turn on XMP. How exactly that is done will depend on the BIOS of the board you choose.

iharvey92 said:
wait, looking at the RAM recommended by cory1234 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...), i noticed that the CAS latency was 9. i thought that you wanted a lower latency?

There is a balance between latency and speed. I suggest reading these 2 articles:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-scaling-i7,2...
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=3589

The differences between each step up in RAM is often marginally noticeable, and outside of a benchmark it is difficult to say whether or not you would even notice the difference. And yet the cost difference adds up fast. The best advice I got from these forums was buy the best RAM that fits your budget, if you find yourself stretching things just to get 'better' RAM that's probably money better spent on other components.
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November 6, 2009 11:54:49 AM

i appreciate your detailed response, ekoostik, but both those articles are about the i7-920, which uses tripple channel DDR3, not double channel like the 860. the articles did, however, enlighten me quite a bit about RAM, which i am nowhere near proficient in.

well, so far this is what i know i want for sure (i think):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $290

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $185

TOTAL: $475

i am seriously considering getting the RAM cory1234 recommended (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231277 ) it seems to be in the right price range, and people seem to like it. is there a better deal out there for memory?

also, i would like some recommendations for a powersupply, case, and cheap gpu. i plan on making this purchase tomorrow, and need the things very urgently. if you see some of the items being mentioned that are not compatible (thank you VERY much ekoostik), please let me know!
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November 6, 2009 12:00:23 PM

iharvey92 said:
i appreciate your detailed response, ekoostik, but both those articles are about the i7-920, which uses tripple channel DDR3, not double channel like the 860. the articles did, however, enlighten me quite a bit about RAM, which i am nowhere near proficient in.

I almost pointed that out, must've forgot. The P55 chipset / Lynnfield CPUs are just too new to have similar articles written. And we may not see them anyway because the results will likely not differ too drastically. Or maybe that's just conjecture...

iharvey92 said:
if you see some of the items being mentioned that are not compatible (thank you VERY much ekoostik), please let me know!

You're welcome. Glad I could help.
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November 6, 2009 7:47:16 PM

most importantly the case and gpu, because i think finding a power supply wont be too hard
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November 6, 2009 8:47:04 PM

You have to be sure you pick a quality power supply. That's actually the most important component in a computer, but a lot of new builders go cheap on it. It's absolutely critical to use a quality PSU from a reputable manufacturer like Corsair, PC Power & Cooling, Antec, etc...

Here's a few combo deals to consider. The first two are if you want to leave Crossfire open as an option.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $154.90 - $20 MIR (Antec 300 Illusion + Antec TP-750 PSU combo)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $149.90 (Antec 300 Illusion + Antec TP-650 combo)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $124.94 (Antec 300 Illusion + Antec EA650 combo)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $106.94 (Antec 300 Illusion + Antec EA430 combo)

I would check out the new HD5770 GPU's.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

There's a $40 off combo deal with this Powercolor 5770 and the Antec TP-750 PSU. That's a great deal!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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