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November 5, 2009 9:31:07 PM

P.C. Build
Usage – Gaming, General PC Usage – Internet etc.. & video editing (later)
This PC is being built on a budget & I will buy 1 or 2 parts every 2 weeks,(payday)
Will defiantly over clock
Here is my list so far.
I have the case. It has been a while since I have done a new build. I am still researching some of the parts so I thought I put my list here & get some feedback.
Initially I will use some parts from my existing PC, HDD & optical drives.
Then I will upgrade them as well.

Stage 1 Budget under $1,500
Case - Antec Nine Hundred Two – ATX Mid Tower (Purchased)
Case fans – standard 3x 120mm, 1x 200mm & an additional 120mm fan on the side.
PSU – Antec TPQ 850 - 850watt
Motherboard – Asus Maximus III Formula
CPU – Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core
CPU Cooler - ZALMAN CNPS9700 LED 110mm
Memory – G.SKILL Perfect Storm 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 2133(PC3 17066)
VGA Card. Probably ASUS EAH4890/HTDI/1GD5 Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 or ASUS EAH5850/G/2DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

Stage 2 possibly early to mid next year
HDD
2 x Western Digital RE3 WD7502ABYS 750 GB 7200rpm 32mb cache RAID 0
1x WD or Seagate 1.5TB 7200rpm 32mb cache
Upgrade CPU - i7
Memory upgrade to 8GB
Graphics Card
Possible upgrade card, Crossfire
Might upgrade fans to SilenX.
Video editing card
PSU - depending on needs

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November 6, 2009 1:03:46 PM

Memory looks like way overkill; DDR3-1300 (or -1600) should be fine, and cheaper.
Zalman is too expensive for its performance, is beaten by many cheaper coolers. www.frostytech.com has good top-10 lists.
For a single video card, a TruePower New 550W would be enough. For two in Crossfire, a TruePower New 750 would do.
The money saved on those things would probably let you start out with the i7-860. Depending on the games you play, if it isn't Crysis, you could go cheaper on the GPU too (e.g. 4850 or 4870) until any of: 1) Black Friday deals, 2) nVidia releases its new GPUs, 3) post-holiday deals; any of these are likely to lower the prices on the high end.

Just my first thoughts; hope I didn't miss something obvious (e.g. mobo ok?), but I'm at work right now...
November 6, 2009 3:10:07 PM

There is almost no benefit on current motherboards to RAM speed over 1600.

The Corsair 850 is designed to handle 3 graphics cards, you only need a 750 for two.

That Zalman (pretty much all Zalman) cooler is now outdated. The new core contact coolers all perform better for cheaper. Look at Coolermaster Hyper 212, Xigmatec s1283 series, Sunbeam core contact freezer. Zalmans new CPNS10X is a core contact tower freezer also.

At your budget I would strongly consider a x58 motherboard and an i7 920.

The newer hard drives use dense 500GB platters so buy 500/1TB models not 750s which are sure to be older, slower 250GB platter drives.
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November 7, 2009 2:27:23 PM

jtt283's & dndhatcher
thank you for your interesting & informative comments.

Its been a while since I have done a new build so I’m a little rusty.
I am fairly technical, I am currently studying for my A+ certification & I understand it.
I want a motherboard that is reliable & can be over clocked in all the areas possible.
I also want to over clock the CPU, memory, the VGA card as well.
For performance & the challenge as well.

As far as the games I will play, Crysis is on the list, I play a lot of different games,
FPS, RPG & Flight Sims are the main ones, although I’m not a hardcore gamer I want to be able to play any game I want on the highest settings for as long as I can.

Is there minimal benefit with 2133(PC3 17066) over DDR3-1300 (or -1600)?
I was thinking faster is better, I know other things have to be considered.

I was looking at the Asus P6T series motherboards, but I like the features on the Maximus III. But if another motherboard is better suited for my needs ill get that one.
what would the benefits be for the x58 boards like the P6T over the P55 boards (Maximus III Formula)

Regarding the PSU I was going to get a 750 watt, but I thought it would better to have a psu with a higher wattage as would not have to work so hard thus improving its lifespan & reducing heat. is my thinking correct?

I will look into what you said about the HDD,s as its last on the list anyway I have time & prices will change by then.

Thanks again for your suggestions, I really appreciate them.
I am still researching the parts. My next purchase wont be for anther week yet.

Joe
November 7, 2009 2:33:30 PM

x58 will get more powerfull CPU's in the future, the P55 chipset won't get anything more powerful than what's with us today.

For productivity, the i7/x58 stands out. For gaming, there's no advantage (P55 actually wins).

The P55 has a lower price and power consumption, but less OC'ing headroom.

As for RAM, getting tight latency timing is more important than clock speed. Over 1600MHz, the performance gains becomes smaller and smaller.

PSU: 750Watt will be fine, and the trend is to make new parts that consume less and less power.

Indeed, get 500GB platter HDD's. The Samsung spinpoint F3 for example.

Make sure you get a 5850 GPU though. In games, getting a better GPU is often the best investment you can make. The 5850 is a LOT better than the 4890, has lower power consumption and heat, supports multiple monitors and has DirectX11, unlike the 4890 which is great for making toast in the morning or baking a steak.

November 8, 2009 7:37:48 PM

Stage 1 Budget under $1,500 (Revised)
Case - Antec Nine Hundred Two – ATX Mid Tower (Purchased)
Case fans – standard 3x 120mm, 1x 200mm & an additional 120mm fan on the side. (Purchased)
PSU – Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W
Motherboard – Asus Rampage II Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz
CPU Cooler - undecided
Memory – G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
VGA Card. ASUS EAH4890/HTDI/1GD5 Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

The changes workout out very well, the new setup costs only $80 more because of the money I saved on the memory & PSU. The Rampage was actually on my list but I dropped it because it was out of my budget price with the previous combination of parts.
I was considering the ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 but I think the Rampage II Extreme is better suited for Overclocking & gaming.
November 8, 2009 8:09:12 PM

Edit your post in this format, as it answers a lot of questions that we may have like resolution..etc:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

people recommending the i7 920 say it's future proof and crap, but for gaming you only need an i5 750. when i9 comes out they are what $1000+? funny..
in the end, gaming with anything i5 750+ is wasting money.

to OP: just get i5 750 with better graphics card depending on ur resolution..again edit your post

for ram get either 1333mhz cl7 or 1600mhz cl7/cl8

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November 8, 2009 8:14:44 PM
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Don't buy 1 part every two weeks...you are asking for problems, if a part comes in and its defective how are you going to know??...by the time everything comes in and you build your system, your return time might be expiried.
November 8, 2009 8:16:07 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
Don't buy 1 part every two weeks...you are asking for problems, if a part comes in and its defective how are you going to know??...by the time everything comes in and you build your system, your return time might be expiried.


+1
definitely true. best suggestion so far lol
November 8, 2009 10:27:49 PM

^yeah every now and then people have these wild ideas of buying thier systems over a long period of time...lol
-You can do it but only if you other computers that you can test each part on right away to ensure that its working right, otherwise...its a bad idea.
November 9, 2009 12:14:57 AM

Yeah, I had case problems buying over time, of all things.

Actually, you don't need a i5 for gaming. If it lets you fit a nicer GPU into your budget, one of the newer Athlon X4's or the 720BE will do just fine.
November 9, 2009 1:26:56 AM


Thank you blackhawk1928.
I didn’t think about DOA returns, :o 
I was going to buy it that way because it would have be easier due to my finical situation. I will have to buy the main parts together,
Motherboard, CPU & Memory, ill use my old pc parts for testing.
Thank you for the suggestion it probably saved me a major headache. :) 
Money is tight, ill just have to wait till I get the cash together it will take the same time ill just get most the parts at once.

Was going with the i7 so I wont to have to upgrade in the near future.
i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz is $290, i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz is $200
that makes the i7 $90 more, I can do that without cutting anything.

I have had AMD builds before & my next build a HTPC will probably be an Asus/AMD build. IMHO this setup suits my needs best.
Joe
November 9, 2009 1:40:08 AM

Your welcome, always nice to hear feedback :) 
November 9, 2009 2:50:16 AM

Great man, post up pics if you can when you get the system up and running. Good luck!
November 9, 2009 3:24:11 PM

overshocks said:
people recommending the i7 920 say it's future proof and crap, but for gaming you only need an i5 750. when i9 comes out they are what $1000+? funny..
in the end, gaming with anything i5 750+ is wasting money.
There are a few games like GTA4 that run much better multiple cores. I know its an exception right now, but with multicores becoming common we may see more games that react like GTA in the future. For those games the ability to upgrade to a 6 core will be significant. Its a tradeoff of $90 now vs a potential future benefit. At a $1500 starting budget and someone who wants to overclock (given the 1156 socket problems) I think its the better choice.
November 10, 2009 9:25:09 PM

Stage 1 Budget under $1,500 (revised)
Case - Antec Nine Hundred Two – ATX mid Tower (Purchased)
Case fans – standard 3x 120mm, 1x 200mm & an additional 120mm fan on the side.
PSU – CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W
Motherboard – ASUS Rampage II Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz
CPU Cooler – Cogage True Spirit & Kaze Jyuni fan or similar type cooler
Memory – G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 1333 (PC3 10666) 3 Channel Kit
VGA Card. ASUS EAH4890/HTDI/1GD5 Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

I think ill go with the Corsair 850 watt as its only $30 more than a 750 watt.
A 850 watt running at 700w is more efficient than a 750 watt running at 700watt.
Also it will run nearly any VGA card on the market in SLI or crossfire.
The G.SKILL memory has excellent timings & voltage, 7-7-7-18 & 1.5V

Ill buy the Motherboard, CPU & Memory. Then the other parts.
November 10, 2009 9:41:10 PM

dndhatcher said:
There are a few games like GTA4 that run much better multiple cores. I know its an exception right now, but with multicores becoming common we may see more games that react like GTA in the future. For those games the ability to upgrade to a 6 core will be significant. Its a tradeoff of $90 now vs a potential future benefit. At a $1500 starting budget and someone who wants to overclock (given the 1156 socket problems) I think its the better choice.


well when i9 comes out, how much it gonna cost 1000+?
i agree with the GTA4 point, but i5 750 is still more than enough for now
November 10, 2009 9:43:48 PM

Joe_Modesto said:
Stage 1 Budget under $1,500 (revised)
Case - Antec Nine Hundred Two – ATX mid Tower (Purchased)
Case fans – standard 3x 120mm, 1x 200mm & an additional 120mm fan on the side.
PSU – CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W
Motherboard – ASUS Rampage II Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz
CPU Cooler – Cogage True Spirit & Kaze Jyuni fan or similar type cooler
Memory – G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 1333 (PC3 10666) 3 Channel Kit
VGA Card. ASUS EAH4890/HTDI/1GD5 Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

I think ill go with the Corsair 850 watt as its only $30 more than a 750 watt.
A 850 watt running at 700w is more efficient than a 750 watt running at 700watt.
Also it will run nearly any VGA card on the market in SLI or crossfire.
The G.SKILL memory has excellent timings & voltage, 7-7-7-18 & 1.5V

Ill buy the Motherboard, CPU & Memory. Then the other parts.


solid build man, good luck on the parts + build
November 10, 2009 10:30:39 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: before Christmas
BUDGET RANGE: Before Rebates $1,500
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, Video editing surfing the internet, watching movies,
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS)
HDD, Optical drives
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com,
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA
PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel CPU/Asus Motherboard & VGA card.
OVERCLOCKING: Yes SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1440x900, will upgrade soon
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Stable. Overclocking, run any game at high resolution.
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Case - Antec Nine Hundred Two – ATX mid Tower (Purchased)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case fans – standard 3x 120mm, 1x 200mm & an additional 120mm fan on the side.
PSU – CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Motherboard – ASUS Rampage II Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU Cooler – Cogage True Spirit & Kaze Jyuni fan or similar type cooler
Memory – G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 1333 (PC3 10666) 3 Channel Kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
VGA Card. ASUS EAH4890/HTDI/1GD5 Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 12, 2009 2:14:19 PM

Thank You everyone for your helpful comments.
Ill post pics of build & Overclocking results when i have finished.
Joe
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