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4890 vs 5850 (decision help needed)

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November 7, 2009 3:09:13 AM

I am stuck in a dilemma with respect to these two cards. I have been looking at purchasing the 4890 for a new i7 system i'm building (i7 920, Ocz 6gig ram, Msi pro-e board). But the recent release of the 5850 is causing me confusion. I know its supposed to be a great card but is it worth it value wise?

I have the option of purchasing the XFX 4890 with double lifetime warranty for CDN 170 and no tax. On the other hand I have the option of the Powercolor 5850 for CDN 290 + 12% tax which is ~325.

Now my question is whether it is still worth paying almost double for the 5850 right now or get the 4890 and add crossfire later on. I will be running my system at 1920x1200.

Please let me know what you guys think.

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November 7, 2009 3:50:11 AM

In my opinion, it's not worth paying over 50% extra. If that's the best deal you can get on the 5850 then I would just get a 4890.
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November 7, 2009 3:37:59 PM

NAh...
Not worth paying that much.
You should get that 4890.
It is a pretty decent card for your resolution.
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November 8, 2009 1:13:44 PM

stick with the 4890, wait until the 5870s come out and drop in price, then use those.

I've got 2 4890s in crossfire and they run more smoothly than anything else.
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November 8, 2009 5:04:27 PM

Thanks for the advice. I've decided to stick with the 4890 for now. I think the 4890 should drop in price soon as well with these new cards coming out.

How big of a power supply do you need to crossfire the 4890? I have an OCZ 700W power supply that is 80+ certified. Will that be enough?
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November 8, 2009 5:45:07 PM

That will be fine for one 4890.
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November 9, 2009 7:23:42 AM

Just one? Is the power supply not good enough? How much bigger of a power supply do i need?

I was recommended from my computer store that 700W would be overkill for even a 4890 crossfire.
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November 9, 2009 10:10:10 AM

It won't be an overkill but it will be fine....
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 9, 2009 2:36:46 PM

Don't get the 4890 -- it's a DirectX 10 card. That means it's going to become obsolete a good 2-3 years sooner than a DirectX 11 card like the 5850.

It doesn't sound like a big deal to a lot of people, but DirectX version is probably the single biggest issue you need to consider in a video card. If you have one card that's a little slower than another, maybe your framerate drops a little, or the game won't run at the highest settings - big whoop. The games will still be playable, and you won't have anything to be disappointed about unless you're trying to become the local benchmark king or something. But if you have a DX10 card, and a game requires DX11, that's a hard stop that will keep the game from working at all.

It's not a huge issue YET, since I don't know of any games that are DX11-only. Right now it's more DirectX 9 cards won't work with half the games coming out today, DX10 is the "adequate for now" standard, and DX11 is what will work for 2-3 years to come.

Bottom line -- go for the newest DirectX version available, otherwise you're going to be replacing your card anyway in a year to a year and a half.
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November 9, 2009 4:11:58 PM

IMO DX10 will prevail until windows 7 is there and games will support Windows 7 for sure...

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November 9, 2009 4:26:35 PM

shubham1401 said:
IMO DX10 will prevail until windows 7 is there and games will support Windows 7 for sure...


I can't predict the future, but I do think DX is one of the biggest obsoleting factors for a card. With speed and memory size, you get incremental performance differences, but with DX versions, it either works or it doesn't. Guess it depends on what you think is in store for the next couple years, but I wouldn't take the gamble; I'd just go with something I know for sure is going to have more staying power.
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November 9, 2009 5:22:47 PM

4890 and 5850 are like night and day differences ,save your money , become future proof ,get good fps on max settings , call it a day
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November 9, 2009 11:28:10 PM

That's a tough decision. The only reason I'm trying to avoid the 5850 is that there isn't supposed to be any availability locally until January. I went to NCIX yesterday and they said the same thing.

I think I'll just save up for the 5850 then. Also that way I don't have to worry about having issues with my power supply if i decide to go crossfire (I hope).

So now i have a computer sitting here with no graphics card. What if i get a temp card so i can at least get the machine running?
Which one should I go for?

Oh and thanks for the help!
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November 10, 2009 2:21:26 AM

umm idk where u live, but check fry's ( if theres 1 by u ) i just walked into mine today and there where a bunch sitting on the shelf ( no 5870's though lol ) and there cheaper than on newegg i think .
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November 10, 2009 2:22:44 AM

and as a temp card, there no reason to spend more money just to get a decent temp card, just stop gaming on your comp for now and get a second job or something lol (more money faster )
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November 10, 2009 6:55:37 AM

Movies are a good substitute for gaming....
But if you really want a temp card then consider something like 4850/4870 at max...

Or 9600GT if you wanna make it cheap...

Even 4870 may last you long...
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November 10, 2009 7:30:44 AM

Actually that's not the problem. I already have a laptop so I won't be stuck without a computer. The only reason I wanted a temp card is to get the computer running and make sure there's no other hardware issues.

I already put myself in line for a back-order for the 5850 today so now i just have to wait a couple of months till i get it. Also I'm thinking i should just pick up a 4650 or something and eat the cost on that while waiting for the real goodness.

Almost made a non-future-proof decision there! Thanks for all the advice. Have to say I'm impressed by how fast you all responded. I will be a happy gamer once again in a month or two or three!
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November 10, 2009 7:54:38 AM

Well getting a HD4670 will enable you to game at 1280X1024 at least...
SO you can get it....

And since you want it for a short period of time you can also get a used card.
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November 10, 2009 7:29:47 PM

you can have my old ATI x1300 series lol
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November 10, 2009 8:24:12 PM

Would it even be worth considering a 5770? My wife wants to upgrade from a 512MB 4870 to a 1GB 4890 but the lower power consumption of the 5770 with the equivalent speed of a 4870 looks very appealing. A 1GB 5770 is priced in between the 1GB 4870 and 4890 cards. $175 vs $155 and $195.
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November 10, 2009 8:28:31 PM

The 5770 can actually be about 10% slower than the 4870, so I wouldn't really consider that an upgrade. Even a 4890 isn't much of an upgrade...
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November 10, 2009 8:51:19 PM

i wouldnt id just stick with the 5850 or if your a big baller 5870
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November 10, 2009 10:26:57 PM

I agree as well. Now that I have seen the light (5850), there is no turning back. I've looked at almost all the reviews there are for most of these cards and 5770 isn't being favored very well. It is slower than the card its intended to compete with, which would be the 4870.

If only those 3 options were available then i would definitely choose the 4890 for the much better performance. Overall the 5850 would leave you happier because of the added longevity, performance and all the other benefits (display port, dx11, etc)
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November 11, 2009 12:14:19 AM

occupant said:
Would it even be worth considering a 5770? My wife wants to upgrade from a 512MB 4870 to a 1GB 4890 but the lower power consumption of the 5770 with the equivalent speed of a 4870 looks very appealing. A 1GB 5770 is priced in between the 1GB 4870 and 4890 cards. $175 vs $155 and $195.


no, thats a bad decision. the power reductions dont justify spending 159
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