Swiftech Apogee HD vs XSPC Raystorm

[amuffin]

Is this Swiftech Apogee HD: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swaphdcpuwaw.html Worth 3 dollars more than the Raystorm? http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/racpuwai.html I had heard many people rave about the raystorm, but how does it compare to the apogee hd?

 

[Lutfij]

Is this Swiftech Apogee HD Worth 3 dollars more than the Raystorm?

no

martinsliquidlab did a test with the raystorm in both vanilla and copper flavor. might wanna check it out before eyeing the HD

 

[amuffin]

Also, is this pump any good? http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2128/ex-pmp-27/Swiftech_MCP655-B_12v_Water_Pump_w_38_Conversion_Kit_317_GPH.html

 

[Lutfij]

yes

 

[amuffin]

Awesome, I will be putting together my wc parts in the next month or so

 

[Lutfij]

might wanna get some feedback from the community as well if your loop checks out fine ...

and maybe stick to one thread instead of opening multiple question/threads. helps stick to the issues at hand

 

[4Ryan6]

Totally agree with Lutfij's responses!

 

[Lutfij]

thanks, trying my best to help+provide info

 

[4Ryan6]

@amuffin

I would like to add if you're considering going to water cooling route for increased headway overclocking your 2600K, go big or don't go at all or you may be seriously disappointed at the ratio of performance gain vs money spent.

I've already learned that lesson the hard way!

 

[Lutfij]

^ +5

 

[rubix_1011]

When considering the D5 pump you listed, also know that is the B version, which basically runs at about 3.5 when the Vario version is adjustable from 1-5. This may or may not be an issue, depending on price.

Jab-Tech.com has both the D5-B and the D5 Vario for much less than FrozenCPU:

http://jab-tech.com/Pumps-c-323.html

(middle of page)

 

[amuffin]

@amuffin

I would like to add if you're considering going to water cooling route for increased headway overclocking your 2600K, go big or don't go at all or you may be seriously disappointed at the ratio of performance gain vs money spent.

I've already learned that lesson the hard way!

Well my total budget for the entire system is $350. I so far have:
XSPC Raystorm http://jab-tech.com/XSPC-RayStorm-CPU-APU-WaterBlock-Intel-pr-4865.html
Swiftech mcp655 vdc http://jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCP655-12-VDC-Pump-pr-2982.html
12 g 1/4 fittings http://jab-tech.com/Dangerden-FB-Fat-Boy-G-1-4-Fittings-1-2-Barb-pr-4181.html
XSPC Single Bay 5.25" res http://jab-tech.com/XSPC-Single-5.25-Bay-Reservoir-Alu-Front-pr-4634.html OR Swfitech MCRES Micro Rev 2 http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCRES-Micro-Rev-2-pr-4312.html
Dangerden 1/2" 3-4" tubing http://www.jab-tech.com/Dangerden-1-2-3-4-UV-Blue-DreamFlex-Tubing-pr-4868.html
12 primo chill spring hose clamps http://www.jab-tech.com/PrimoChill-Black-Steel-Spring-Hose-Clamps-for-3-4in.OD-Tubing-pr-4762.html
Radiator (don't know yet)

 

[Lutfij]

i've found out that the spring hose clamps tend to get dull and losse their springyness...might wanna look at zipties or worm drive clamps. reusable clamps are also good.

i know i'm referring the xspc raystorm kit alot to people, but if thas the amount you're spending and is a first for you the kits are the way to go.

XSPC Raystorm RX360 extreme kit
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15402/ex-wat-207/XSPC_Raystorm_RX240_Extreme_Universal_CPU_Water_Cooling_Kit_w_RX240_Radiator_and_Free_Kill_Coil_Hot_item.html?tl=g30c321s1310
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15140/ex-wat-203/XSPC_Raystorm_RX360_Extreme_Universal_CPU_Water_Cooling_Kit_w_RX360_Radiator_and_Free_Kill_Coil_Hot_item.html?tl=g30c321s1310

 

[amuffin]

Is there that much of a performance difference between 1/2" tubing and 5/8?

 

[Lutfij]

flow/temps aren't affected - its only aesthetic. if any dif, its minimal.

 

[amuffin]

How does the 240mm extreme kit compare to the parts I have selected?

 

[Lutfij]

compression fittings instead of barbs
compressions don't need clamps
xspc tubing is also softer than their prev offering and you can choose you color.
you haven't chosen a rad...yet
you get a bay res
you also get the raystorm in vanilla
if you want, get the 360 and slap some gpu waterblocks and some more fittings to it.

you'll also learn that selecting all the parts ^ separately on many sites combined will equate to higher costs. so the kit is cheaper.

and i can assume you're going sli or crossfire right?
you'll need a lil more to get a custom loop with gpu blocks in that mix...or go universal

* word of caution, your GTX 560Ti hawk may be an issue if you're going for full cover blocks :/

 

[rubix_1011]

It's pretty similar except the pump in the extreme kits is the XSPC dual bay D5 pump/res as well as the radiator being XSPC and misc fittings.

* word of caution, your GTX 560Ti hawk may be an issue if you're going for full cover blocks

I believe this is correct- MSI 560Ti Hawk cards are not reference, to my understanding.

 

[amuffin]

It's pretty similar except the pump in the extreme kits is the XSPC dual bay D5 pump/res as well as the radiator being XSPC and misc fittings.

* word of caution, your GTX 560Ti hawk may be an issue if you're going for full cover blocks

I believe this is correct- MSI 560Ti Hawk cards are not reference, to my understanding.

I am going to sell them to a friend, and use the money to probably buy an evga version of the new kepler series or one of the raedon 79xx cards. But gpu cooling isn't very important atm, all I want to do is cool the 2600k.

 

[rubix_1011]

GPUs benefit the most when it comes to watercooling; usually a 20-30 C temp difference. However, this does require the blocks and radiator space to accommodate these.

 

[Lutfij]

i'll go with what 4Ryan6 said ... but if you really want to watercool sans the gpu - the kit is spotless plus with the 360 kit for $300, you are able to add more rads+ gpu blocks to your loop. (you can achieve the same with the 240kit too)

If you're someone who wants to get it right the first time, with custom selection of parts - a higher budget is needed.

* you should also take a look at the watercooling sticky to understand the TDP, heat dissipation and overclocking headroom you'll want to expect.

 

[amuffin]

i'll go with what 4Ryan6 said ... but if you really want to watercool sans the gpu - the kit is spotless plus with the 360 kit for $300, you are able to add more rads+ gpu blocks to your loop. (you can achieve the same with the 240kit too)

If you're someone who wants to get it right the first time, with custom selection of parts - a higher budget is needed.

* you should also take a look at the watercooling sticky to understand the TDP, heat dissipation and overclocking headroom you'll want to expect.

My case doesn't fit the 360mm rad...

 

[Motopsychojdn]

Make it fit
Moto

 

[4Ryan6]

My case doesn't fit the 360mm rad...

Think outside the box.

And check Moto's sig!

 

[amuffin]

Make it fit
Moto

Unfortuenatly my dad won't let me use the dremmel He is afraid I will hurt myself....I believe you can mount the rad externally...?