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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 6:16:01 AM

Is this Swiftech Apogee HD: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swaphdcpuwaw.html Worth 3 dollars more than the Raystorm? http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/racpuwai.html I had heard many people rave about the raystorm, but how does it compare to the apogee hd?

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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 6:32:13 AM

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Is this Swiftech Apogee HD Worth 3 dollars more than the Raystorm?
no

martinsliquidlab did a test with the raystorm in both vanilla and copper flavor. might wanna check it out before eyeing the HD :) 
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 6:51:58 AM

yes
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 6:53:18 AM

Awesome, I will be putting together my wc parts in the next month or so :) 
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 8:01:14 AM

might wanna get some feedback from the community as well if your loop checks out fine ...

and maybe stick to one thread instead of opening multiple question/threads. helps stick to the issues at hand :) 
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a c 351 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 9:19:51 AM

Totally agree with Lutfij's responses!
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 9:24:13 AM

:)  thanks, trying my best to help+provide info
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a c 351 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 9:25:15 AM

@amuffin

I would like to add if you're considering going to water cooling route for increased headway overclocking your 2600K, go big or don't go at all or you may be seriously disappointed at the ratio of performance gain vs money spent.

I've already learned that lesson the hard way!
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 9:26:54 AM

^ +5
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a c 483 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 2:02:41 PM

When considering the D5 pump you listed, also know that is the B version, which basically runs at about 3.5 when the Vario version is adjustable from 1-5. This may or may not be an issue, depending on price.

Jab-Tech.com has both the D5-B and the D5 Vario for much less than FrozenCPU:

http://jab-tech.com/Pumps-c-323.html

(middle of page)
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 2:38:51 PM

4Ryan6 said:
@amuffin

I would like to add if you're considering going to water cooling route for increased headway overclocking your 2600K, go big or don't go at all or you may be seriously disappointed at the ratio of performance gain vs money spent.

I've already learned that lesson the hard way!

Well my total budget for the entire system is $350. I so far have:
XSPC Raystorm http://jab-tech.com/XSPC-RayStorm-CPU-APU-WaterBlock-In...
Swiftech mcp655 vdc http://jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCP655-12-VDC-Pump-pr-2982...
12 g 1/4 fittings http://jab-tech.com/Dangerden-FB-Fat-Boy-G-1-4-Fittings...
XSPC Single Bay 5.25" res http://jab-tech.com/XSPC-Single-5.25-Bay-Reservoir-Alu-... OR Swfitech MCRES Micro Rev 2 http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCRES-Micro-Rev-2-pr-4...
Dangerden 1/2" 3-4" tubing http://www.jab-tech.com/Dangerden-1-2-3-4-UV-Blue-Dream...
12 primo chill spring hose clamps http://www.jab-tech.com/PrimoChill-Black-Steel-Spring-H...
Radiator (don't know yet)
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 2:48:14 PM

i've found out that the spring hose clamps tend to get dull and losse their springyness...might wanna look at zipties or worm drive clamps. reusable clamps are also good.

i know i'm referring the xspc raystorm kit alot to people, but if thas the amount you're spending and is a first for you the kits are the way to go.

XSPC Raystorm RX360 extreme kit
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15402/ex-wat-207/XSPC...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15140/ex-wat-203/XSPC...
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 2:51:18 PM

Is there that much of a performance difference between 1/2" tubing and 5/8?
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 2:52:58 PM

flow/temps aren't affected - its only aesthetic. if any dif, its minimal.
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 6:43:18 PM

How does the 240mm extreme kit compare to the parts I have selected?
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 6:52:16 PM

compression fittings instead of barbs
compressions don't need clamps
xspc tubing is also softer than their prev offering and you can choose you color.
you haven't chosen a rad...yet
you get a bay res
you also get the raystorm in vanilla
if you want, get the 360 and slap some gpu waterblocks and some more fittings to it.

you'll also learn that selecting all the parts ^ separately on many sites combined will equate to higher costs. so the kit is cheaper.

and i can assume you're going sli or crossfire right?
you'll need a lil more to get a custom loop with gpu blocks in that mix...or go universal

* word of caution, your GTX 560Ti hawk may be an issue if you're going for full cover blocks :/ 
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a c 483 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 6:53:27 PM

It's pretty similar except the pump in the extreme kits is the XSPC dual bay D5 pump/res as well as the radiator being XSPC and misc fittings.

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* word of caution, your GTX 560Ti hawk may be an issue if you're going for full cover blocks


I believe this is correct- MSI 560Ti Hawk cards are not reference, to my understanding.
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 7:09:10 PM

rubix_1011 said:
It's pretty similar except the pump in the extreme kits is the XSPC dual bay D5 pump/res as well as the radiator being XSPC and misc fittings.

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* word of caution, your GTX 560Ti hawk may be an issue if you're going for full cover blocks


I believe this is correct- MSI 560Ti Hawk cards are not reference, to my understanding.

I am going to sell them to a friend, and use the money to probably buy an evga version of the new kepler series or one of the raedon 79xx cards. But gpu cooling isn't very important atm, all I want to do is cool the 2600k.
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a c 483 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 7:16:58 PM

GPUs benefit the most when it comes to watercooling; usually a 20-30 C temp difference. However, this does require the blocks and radiator space to accommodate these.
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 7:18:39 PM

i'll go with what 4Ryan6 said ... but if you really want to watercool sans the gpu - the kit is spotless :)  plus with the 360 kit for $300, you are able to add more rads+ gpu blocks to your loop. (you can achieve the same with the 240kit too)

If you're someone who wants to get it right the first time, with custom selection of parts - a higher budget is needed.

* you should also take a look at the watercooling sticky to understand the TDP, heat dissipation and overclocking headroom you'll want to expect.
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 20, 2012 7:59:49 PM

Lutfij said:
i'll go with what 4Ryan6 said ... but if you really want to watercool sans the gpu - the kit is spotless :)  plus with the 360 kit for $300, you are able to add more rads+ gpu blocks to your loop. (you can achieve the same with the 240kit too)

If you're someone who wants to get it right the first time, with custom selection of parts - a higher budget is needed.

* you should also take a look at the watercooling sticky to understand the TDP, heat dissipation and overclocking headroom you'll want to expect.

My case doesn't fit the 360mm rad... :( 
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a c 205 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 6:14:39 AM

Make it fit :-)
Moto
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a c 351 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 8:28:12 AM

amuffin said:
My case doesn't fit the 360mm rad... :( 


Think outside the box.

And check Moto's sig!
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 2:12:51 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
Make it fit :-)
Moto

Unfortuenatly my dad won't let me use the dremmel :cry:  He is afraid I will hurt myself....I believe you can mount the rad externally...?
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a c 483 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 2:14:52 PM

It's better to ask for forgiveness than to beg for approval.

:) 
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 2:58:49 PM

^ :lol: 

you get external mounting hardware with the xspc kit :)  ... if you're interested, or get a radbox by swiftech/koolance OOOOOR get some nylon spacers+appropriate screws and make that rad hang off the back of a fan mount/grill on case.
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a b K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 4:18:18 PM

If your doing just the cpu, the 240 rad will do, rx > ex, but either should work fine, depending on what you have room for. I had my 8120 on a rx 240 with 4 low rpm (1300 rpm in Fan>Rad>Fan) fans, and it was dead silent at 49C max temp.

I had the opportunity to pick up 2- 6970 cards with full blocks so I upgraded the loop, added an EX-240 and 4 2k rmp fans. Temps are now 38C max on the cpu, and 32/38 on the gpus. I need to get a fan controller to control the noise when just doing light usage, but its impressive none the less that adding 2 gpus and ended up with lower temps.

Some people say dual loop, others say single loop. I went single loop because it will equalize temps as long as you route properly, Res>Pump>Cpu>rad>gpu>rad


Only thing I need is a stronger pump to lower the temp on the 2nd gpu, but suffice to say the xspc h2o 750 Pump/res combo works better than I expected.

By the way, the customizable Raystorm kit is here: http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPat...

He changed his site a bit on the custom ordering, purchase is now choiced from step 1 through 4, placing one of each in the shopping cart.

I never really bought from frozen cpu.
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 6:31:46 PM

ah so daz caught onto frozens custom option - nice to see that.
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a c 205 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 7:28:10 PM

rubix_1011 said:
It's better to ask for forgiveness than to beg for approval.

:) 



I'm reading this as,

Plan the mod, wait till dad goes out, steal dremel and do what needs to be done, then after Dad says 'ooh nice Pc son',
Muffin casually says 'yeah, your Dremel ground out that 1mm steel like a Quarterback goes through cheerleaders'
'oh and sorry for stealing it :p '

an alternate plan could involve you marking up what needs cutting and asking Dad to join in with your engineering plans?
I hear its good for parents to get involved in their kids hobbies, bonding time or somesuch?
<not a parent so don't know hehe
Moto
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 7:32:26 PM

^ my dad and i do that sort of stuff all the time, and now its the other way round - he usually calls me when he needs help with powertools :) 
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a b K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 8:37:40 PM

Lutfij said:
ah so daz caught onto frozens custom option - nice to see that.

daz started the raystorm kits, this was the original page, he changed it to the link I posted earlier. http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPat...
He does need to work on the ordering, frozen is much cleaner, but only has 2 radiator options.

you could always order specific tubing from daz, just had to e-mail him before placing the order.

Dazmode is still cheaper than frozen.
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 8:45:08 PM

by a few dollars - i know. i went full custom on my loop. if i decide to do another just for fun - will snag the xspc custom loop :) . Nice find though, here i thought he was only offering what frozen did only in one flavor of fans+white tubing.
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 9:04:38 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
I'm reading this as,

Plan the mod, wait till dad goes out, steal dremel and do what needs to be done, then after Dad says 'ooh nice Pc son',
Muffin casually says 'yeah, your Dremel ground out that 1mm steel like a Quarterback goes through cheerleaders'
'oh and sorry for stealing it :p '

an alternate plan could involve you marking up what needs cutting and asking Dad to join in with your engineering plans?
I hear its good for parents to get involved in their kids hobbies, bonding time or somesuch?
<not a parent so don't know hehe
Moto

I'll ask him today, but I am sure he is going to be wondering why he would be cutting a perfectly good case apart. But if I were to, where would I cut the holes? To mount the 360mm rad...
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a c 205 K Overclocking
March 21, 2012 11:28:11 PM

Thats where the planning comes in :-)
Get the rad and offer it up to the case, see where it looks good/ fits well, you'll get a sense of 'yup, this BELONGS there' and then look at what needs to be removed/ cut to suit that plan
Bear in mind things like ease of tubing route, bleeding etc and figure how it will all look once its done
Moto
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 3:25:42 AM

Is it ok to make a vid to show you guys my case and possibilities of modding? (don't mind my voice)
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a c 205 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 5:38:07 AM

Yup, you have to do silly accents though to keep us guessing as to where you are from :-p
Moto
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 5:42:06 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
Yup, you have to do silly accents though to keep us guessing as to where you are from :-p
Moto

Nah people make fun of kids on the internet :non:  , so I get kind of annoyed :??: 
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a c 205 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 5:47:20 AM

Hey, I'm 36 and I got told I sound like Sean Connery :-)
Could turn out well for you too hehe
Moto
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 5:50:12 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
Hey, I'm 36 and I got told I sound like Sean Connery :-)
Could turn out well for you too hehe
Moto

Well I am 14, and my voice is still highish :ange:  hope for the best :wahoo: 
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 6:23:24 AM

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Hey, I'm 36 and I got told I sound like Sean Connery :-)
hahaha - i sheee you haven't fougotten!

if you're embarrassed of your voice - take pics instead and upload them.
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a c 205 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 11:47:16 AM

Kind of difficult to show my pumps silent without sound hehe
And I took it as a compliment, Mr Connery is great :-)
But yes, pics are a voiceless alternative option Muffin
Moto
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a c 351 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 11:55:27 AM

amuffin said:
Well I am 14, and my voice is still highish :ange:  hope for the best :wahoo: 


amuffin said:
Nah people make fun of kids on the internet :non:  , so I get kind of annoyed :??: 


You don't come across as a kid, and you have as much right as anyone else here, and if someone violates that, PM me.
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 11:58:12 AM

:)  thas a mod for ya :D  nice going 4Ryan6!
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a c 483 K Overclocking
March 22, 2012 12:42:52 PM

4Ryan6 said:
You don't come across as a kid, and you have as much right as anyone else here, and if someone violates that, PM me.



I concur, x5.
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 23, 2012 4:50:42 AM

Can a mod change this to a discussion thread? Also, I am uploading the vid now! :) 
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 23, 2012 9:37:13 AM

take a look@these:
http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/OverclockingCoolingModding...
http://www.overclock.net/t/900428/haf-912-advanced
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1263978&mpage=1&pr...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?2338...

http://i43.tinypic.com/qsnlf7.jpg

for more food for thought -
http://www.overclock.net/t/392179/the-official-cooler-m...

all from a Google search with HAF 912+watercooling - one trick rubix mentioned in the watercooling sticky (in our sigs).

onto the other advice's,
1| like 4Ryan6 said - think outside the box - sometimes literally
2| you can go with the 240 kit and add another 120 rad on the back...IMO though
3| the raystorm kit having a weak pump? :ouch:  its times ... better than the X2O 750 rasa pump xspc made.
4| the pump is good/strong enough to add more rads+waterblocks should you want to cool the GPU/GPU's later on.
5| you did do all that in dim light but i could tell that you need to tidy up some cables :p 
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a c 152 K Overclocking
March 23, 2012 1:53:22 PM

Ok good! I thought the pump wasn't strong enough for multiple things, so i was worried. As for cables the haf color scheme just screws it up :p  Otherwise cables are nicely pushed to the sides and do not obstruct case airflow! :) 
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a c 91 K Overclocking
March 23, 2012 2:15:24 PM

the links i posted about your case are merely for inspiration since you seem to have hit a modders block :) 
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