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November 8, 2009 6:19:28 PM

Suggest me a watercooling setup and hardcore gaming pc, anything beyond i7 920 is not going to be considered because I don't waste it like a spoiled person with little performance gain for extra $700 for 975 cpu.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Whenever someone suggest a decent build

BUDGET RANGE: Money is not a factor

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Hardcore gaming with two 30" monitors

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard,mouse, speakers, monitor -> that means i need O.S

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: ncix.com , directcanada.com (newegg.ca sucks with their high prices + two taxes+ long shipping)

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Canada

PARTS PREFERENCES: Doesn't matter, I want the best.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes, watercooling

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes obviously 2x30"

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 2 x 30" monitors(have already)... 2560x1600

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Best performance...money is not a factor, but like I said wasting money on something beyond i7 920 seems pathetic to me.

I would need at least 3x 5870, will be using the eyefinity technology...
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November 8, 2009 6:45:51 PM

Something like this

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core

ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel

G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop

2 x XFX HD-587A-ZNF9 Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower

Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA

XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders

I'll leave that H2O to someone else...
November 8, 2009 6:49:30 PM

^Thanks for the reply

decent start of a build

2x5870 is not sufficient for 2x30" because i will be using eyefinity technology

i will not need that heatsink, because waiting for someone to suggest me a watercooling setup
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November 8, 2009 6:56:48 PM

What do you mean you will be using eyefinity technology - I don't believe crossfire is supported with eyefinity yet... If you just mean that you will be gaming on a 5120x1600 then crossfire 5870s will be fine.
November 8, 2009 6:59:34 PM


3x xfx 5870 (or later 5970)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LIAN LI PC-P80 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3x in raid5 Western Digital Caviar Black WD2001FASS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2x ENERMAX Galaxy EVO EGX1250EWT 1250W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready
CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Compatible w/Core i7 Modular Active PFC Power Supply -

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2x CORSAIR DOMINATOR-GT 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory Model CMG6GX3M3A1866C7 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA E760 CLASSIFIED "Overclocker's Pick" 3-Way SLI + PhysX 1366 Intel X58 EATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
3 Way SLI, Digital PWM, E-Leet Utility and Vdroop control

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Pioneer Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Internal Blu-ray Disc/DVD/CD Writer Model BDR-205BKS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2x in raid0 OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX250G 2.5" 250GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD) games and apps

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Z-DRIVE OCZSSDPCIE-ZDP84256G PCI-E 250GB PCI Express x8 MLC Internal Solid state disk boot drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Swiftech H20-220 Apex Ultima Liquid Cooling Kit

add http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8411/ex-wat-140/Swift...

and we at bout $7000 in the red
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November 8, 2009 7:03:17 PM

obsidian86 said:
and we at bout $7000 in the red

LOL, +1.
November 8, 2009 7:23:58 PM

why 2x power supplies..

and that watercooling kit is really weak..

that mobo doesn't support crossfire?

how much performance gain with that internal pcie SSD..it's $1.3k, with 1.3k worth of performance gain? i don't think so. like i said, wasting money like a spoiled person isn't my thing.

$7000..i could get a supercomputer.

you missed o.s

i find your build quite wasting money..im a gamer remember that. 12gb of ram isn't gonna give me more FPS
November 8, 2009 7:29:37 PM

This is what I would do in that situation.

3x 5870's which you already know.

Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR DOMINATOR-GT 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMG6GX3M3A1600C7 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Dunno if 1000W is enough for 3x5870 though. I think the best is enermax? 1250 then
CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/ Silver Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2XXX 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD) - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Win 7 Home Premium or Pro - OEM for OS

Don't know anything about water cooling, though
November 8, 2009 7:34:10 PM

^I like that build...just not the case because it's not that good at cooling..

now i just need some good watercooling suggestions
November 8, 2009 8:11:40 PM

^Guys the Asus P6TD is the same price as the Delux V2 and its better.
BTW here is a build for you:
Asus P6TD LGA1366 X58 Motherboard
Mushkin Enhanced Redlines 6GB Triple Channel Kit 1600mhz CL6
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem
Intel X-25M 80GB MLC Internal Solid State Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Internal Hard Disk Drive
ATI Radeon 5870's in Crossfire
Corsair 850HX ATX Modular Power Supply
Cooler Master HAF932 ATX Full Tower Case
November 8, 2009 8:18:31 PM



That ram looks good, never used mushkin before, any good?

i would need 3x5870..because 2x30", so a 1000W+ psu
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November 8, 2009 8:22:15 PM

overshocks said:
2x5870 is not sufficient for 2x30" because i will be using eyefinity technology

overshocks said:
i would need 3x5870..because 2x30", so a 1000W+ psu

Umm, did you read my post above??
November 8, 2009 8:26:45 PM

jbakerlent said:
Umm, did you read my post above??


yes i did read it
November 8, 2009 8:36:43 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
^Guys the Asus P6TD is the same price as the Delux V2 and its better.
BTW here is a build for you:
Asus P6TD LGA1366 X58 Motherboard
Mushkin Enhanced Redlines 6GB Triple Channel Kit 1600mhz CL6
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem
Intel X-25M 80GB MLC Internal Solid State Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Internal Hard Disk Drive
ATI Radeon 5870's in Crossfire
Corsair 850HX ATX Modular Power Supply
Cooler Master HAF932 ATX Full Tower Case



How is the p6td better? They are pratically the same thing except the p6t v2 has been out longer
November 8, 2009 9:49:50 PM

anyone watercooling set up?

cpu, 2x5870 or 3x5870...
November 8, 2009 10:08:52 PM

Well the P6TD and delux v2 are practically the same, only minor differences like SAS and I heard it has better heat dissipation and a little higher quality material however i can't confirm that. Just heard it from other posters. Plus if they are the same price, it would only make sense to go with the newer model wouldn't it?

Overshocks:
I think mushkins are excellent, I have used muskin many times and never had problems. Plus for that transfer rate, finiding ram that will give you those amazing timings is pretty hard. I don't have that exact ram, but i have used mushkin and they make good stuff. And you don't need a 1000watt PSU, more like an 850-900watt. The corsair 850HX would be plenty for that. Remember:
(((Newer Hardware=lower temperature=less electricity consumption=more powerful)))
November 8, 2009 10:20:20 PM

And Overshocks, I think water cooling would be wasteful, there are such good air cooling now that you can overclock as much as you want :) 
Check out these two ridiculous CPU coolers that will freeze your processor lol:
Cooler Master V10
^BTW the V8 is also good but the v10 is exceptional.
And this CPU cooler is also really good, you can even customize its fans to be as powerful as you want them to and then purchase it:
Prolimatech Mega Shadow Deluxe Black Edition CPU Cooler

Combine that with an excellent Case
LIAN LI PC-P80 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case

And you can overclock all you want with not water cooling, also you can buy a PCI Slot Fan for your GPU's to cool them and you can take off the casing from your GPU's and put custom thermal paste, heatsinks, and fans. You can buy a chipset cooler and you can get heat dissipators for your Memory and even a hard drive heatsink/cooler. Spot Fans also do a great a job. So I don't see the point of water cooling.
November 9, 2009 12:28:59 AM

^well i agree with you blackhawk, and thanks for the mushkin recommendation, they have great timings

watercooling will help me get better temps/higher overclock so that's one of the reason why i want a good water setup. plus it's kind of a brag too :D 

if i was to eliminate watercooling setup i would go for the prolimatech instead of the v10, because v10 is quite heavy and i've read not so good reviews about it. it seems prolimatech is better..umm

i like that case it's big..but it has small fans at rear and top...any other cases?

and i would need PSU with 3x 6pin and 3x 6+2 pin, if i decide to go 3x5870. thats why i need 1000W psu, because i checked most 850-900 psus dont offer 3x 6pin and 3x 6+2pin

this psu is good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 9, 2009 1:06:27 AM

^ well that case isn't so good, it only has 3x140mm fans..any other suggestions?
November 9, 2009 1:23:24 AM

I would suggest a Cooler Master Storm Sniper. It's got holes for water cooling tubes and a space for a radiator. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm using it now and the clearances are good, too. If the 5970 ends up being a longer card than the 5870 and you feel like upgrading to that some time in the future, there's room to accomodate that.

Also, fan mounting options are endless. The case comes with two 200 mm fans and one 120 mm fan (unless you get the "black" edition, which comes with three 200 mm fans).

I use it, I like it.
November 9, 2009 1:26:16 AM

overshocks said:
^ well that case isn't so good, it only has 3x140mm fans..any other suggestions?



You can add 3 120mm fans yourself too, or the same spot for water cooling, here is the review I read.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/corsair-obsidian-800d-rev...

If I were to get a 300ish case, this would easily be the one I would want.
November 9, 2009 1:33:17 AM

Yes the Corsair 1000 WATT modular is definitility the power supply I would get.

And about the case here are some good cases with excellent cooling:
ThermalTake Sword M Full ATX Chassis
ThermalTake Armor
An my personal favorite: The Antec 1200 Full ATX Case

Liquid cooling can be used in all three. All of them have a high amount of fan ports and big fans in all intakes top, front, side, rear. The antec has a Big boy 200mm fan on the top to suck all the hot air out of the system which is the best since hot air floats anyway :)  All three of them are good, just examine thier specs and pick the one thats suits your expecations.
November 9, 2009 1:34:59 AM

^thanks for the suggestions guys..ill take that to consideration
November 9, 2009 2:12:49 AM

it seems like he knows a good amount about computers
November 9, 2009 2:42:55 AM

^who are you talking about?

i just remembered that the HAF 932 is a better case than antec 1200, for watercooling..hmm i might get that actually

any other suggestions guys?

to blackhawk1928:
do you know many fans could be added to the thermaltake sword?
November 9, 2009 2:44:50 AM

So did you decide on the final product yet? :D 
November 9, 2009 2:47:10 AM

Cades said:
So did you decide on the final product yet? :D 


once i find a decent watercooling kit + case, i'll post up the build ..

waiting for the experts for watercooling
November 9, 2009 12:10:40 PM

[:bohleyk:3] Swiftech H20-220 Ultima Plus Complete Liquid Cooling System [:bohleyk:3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnKHa0SqYXA

Its Swiftech, so its top of the line and reviewed heavily. Its probably exactly what you are looking for. They have not released the ATI 5800 attachments yet but will in time. If you get a GTX 295, or any GTX 200 series card, you can liquid cool them with this kit. Its $400.00 but its probably what you are looking for.

You have to manually browse for it on http://www.swiftnets.com/ (Its under liquid cooling/cooling kits)

If that doesn't work for you check out dangerden.com

EDIT* Note to check that the waterblock is 1366 compatible. This particular Swiftech system is 1366 compatable while some, like the H20-220 Ultimate are not 1366 compatible. Also check dangerden.com if you don't order the Swiftech. Again be aware of socket compatability.
November 9, 2009 6:12:08 PM

^thanks for the suggestion, i'll go into that
November 9, 2009 6:26:51 PM

Oh by the way, I forgot to give you my favorite website for cooling computers:
THE HEATSINK FACTORY
^That website, if you look on the left side panel you will see they have all the cooling systems for all the different aspects of computers.
They have water cooling kits, radiators, pumps, blocks, fans, heatsinsk, coolers, accessories. You should find what you are looking for there.

Whoops, I just realized i gave you it in a link in one of previous posts but look at the homepage and find a good kit.
November 9, 2009 6:40:00 PM

Quote:
"money is not a factor" that is not something you hear alot of the time http://tsutton.site90.net/imgs/signature_smiley1.jpg !


yes money is not a factor, but i don't want to spend extra $700 for 975, for like with 5-10% gain in performance? i mean come on, i buy 920 now and can upgrade in next year if i want
November 10, 2009 1:23:06 PM

If you are still looking for a liquid cooling full tower case I suggest the Cooler Master ATCS 840 along with the Swiftech H20-220 Ultima Plus Complete Kit. The ATCS 840 is in many peoples opinion to be the best full tower case on the market and its only $200. It will handle any video card and however many cards you want to fit. It will handle any cooling system. It just takes care of everything and it looks pretty nice.

I think you would be best off with the Cooler Master ATCS 840 over any other case.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8_1cQkYTO4

Edit* found you a video review [:bohleyk:1]
November 11, 2009 12:34:15 AM

Hey overshocks, i looked up some info on the sword M, i'll give you a link to newegg, however its deactivated on newegg now but they still have information, reviews, and specs on it. Its massive. Its around 30inches high 25 inches deep and has good cooling. Check it out:
Here is the Deactivated One

here is another one that is a little different, its the same sword but its a tiny bit smaller i think and has a little less fans, but its still available, see if you can find the other bigger one from a different website:
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This also another really good coolermaster case with amazing cooling, check out its specs:
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In addition check out Antec, they dont just make the gaming cases everyone always buys, they a large variety of cases and types that are bigger and better then the antec 1200 and stuff here is a link to where it gives all the familes of cases from antec. Check out the skeletons, sonatas, enterprise, and performance families, they give full specs on cooling for all them:
Antec Case Families
January 25, 2010 7:02:51 PM

one 5870 outperforms 2x5870 using eyefinity and why would you need 3x5870's to use eyefinity when 1x5870 supports 3xmonitors ?
January 25, 2010 8:17:41 PM

Yea but the last post in that thread was the Customer service response and was from 1/21/10.
January 26, 2010 4:23:01 AM

this is annoying
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