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November 9, 2009 6:41:38 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (By Christmas) BUDGET RANGE: (1000-1500)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (Gaming, gaming, gaming, movies (Blu-ray), and internet surfing)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (newegg.com)

PARTS PREFERENCES: None

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Unsure

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: (Need it to be very cool, performance comes first, but I would like it quiet if possible)

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Here are some parts I have picked out and need advice knowing if they are good and if they are compatible with one another (also if they will fit in the case). I definitely want to keep the ATI RADEON HD 5870 and Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz (unless a better choice is available for the processor).

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Full - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$188.99

ASRock X58 Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$169.99

Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$288.99

SAPPHIRE 100281SR Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$399.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product
$79.99

Crucial 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$125.99

LG Black 8X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 40X CD-ROM SATA Internal Combo LG Blu-ray Reader & 16X LightScribe DVD±R DVD Burner - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$129.99

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$99.99


These are the parts I have so far but I do not know how big of a power supply all this would require (assuming these parts are all compatible). I would appreciate any advice on how to better the system and perhaps make it cheaper without sacrificing the graphics card or processor.

[Update] PSU Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$79.99
November 9, 2009 6:48:08 PM

Hi!

I'm in a somewhat similar boat, see the thread I have posted as we have a lot of good discussion going (and it's faster to just refer you than to re-state everything):
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tomshardwareus.inc&cat=31&post=274324&page=1&p=1&sondage=0&owntopic=1&trash=0&trash_post=0&print=0&numreponse=0"e_only=0&new=0&nojs=0

Your build looks pretty solid! Two things I will critique:

Use the Samsung Spinpoint F3 for your hard disk (more storage/$ and the performance is just as good).
If you do not plan to use SLI or Crossfire, you can get away with a 1156 socket without any real loss in performance at a lower price; however, that's a fairly complicated decision. If you see yourself upgrading to the i9 core when it comes out, or if you see yourself using SLI/Crossfire in the future, then 1366 may be the way to go...
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November 9, 2009 6:58:35 PM

Thank you for your reference! I will def switch to that Hard drive. But as for SLI or Crossfire I wanted to keep my choices open for the future (incase I wanted to add another card in). So I'll probably wanna keep the 1366, but also how much power will this config need? Would you reccomend I choose the same power supply as you?
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November 9, 2009 7:21:15 PM

good choice with the hdd. I would suggest getting two Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GBs. The advantage is that the spinpoint has 500GB platters, so this would mean single platter HDDs. also, i wuld recommend setting the two up in a RAID 0 array since your priorities are gaming, gaming and gaming. Now, I know this suggestion will get a lot of strong opposition because RAID 0 has a higher failure rate than a single HDD. But honestly, the chances of failure of a single HDD are so extremely slim, that even when you RAID them, its still slim (its like 50% of infinity is still infinity). Anyways, your choice.
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November 9, 2009 7:43:25 PM

^do you have evidence that raid 0 has a slim chance of failure?
"its like 50% of infinity is still infinity" you're too funny...

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November 9, 2009 7:43:56 PM

Here's a build that I've done for another person.

You don't need i7 920 for gaming, seriously...920 is for video encoding and other designing/editing programs.

i5 750 is more than enough for your gaming needs.

You can use my build as a reference...by the way what's your monitor model? check the resolution.

5870 is overkill if your monitor isn't 30"

I only used newegg, but you can use other sites if you can find the same parts for cheaper.
Or if you can find better combos at newegg

Here's an i5 750 build with new monitor, without O.S

>MOBO+RAM
30 dollar discount
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

>Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Hard drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Monitor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


>Optical Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Heatsink

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $1,288.88 Before Rebate

This build gives you the ability to crossfire/sli in the future if new games are more demanding. You could add in another graphics card, the power supply is decent and could handle 2 graphics card.
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November 9, 2009 7:47:23 PM

overshocks said:
Here's a build that I've done for another person.

You don't need i7 920 for gaming, seriously...920 is for video encoding and other designing/editing programs.

i5 750 is more than enough for your gaming needs.

You can use my build as a reference...by the way what's your monitor model? check the resolution.

5870 is overkill if your monitor isn't 30"

I only used newegg, but you can use other sites if you can find the same parts for cheaper.
Or if you can find better combos at newegg

Here's an i5 750 build with new monitor, without O.S

>MOBO+RAM
30 dollar discount
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

>Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Hard drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Monitor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


>Optical Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Heatsink

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $1,288.88 Before Rebate

This build gives you the ability to crossfire/sli in the future if new games are more demanding. You could add in another graphics card, the power supply is decent and could handle 2 graphics card.


nofun said:
Hi!

I'm in a somewhat similar boat, see the thread I have posted as we have a lot of good discussion going (and it's faster to just refer you than to re-state everything):
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tomshardwareus.inc&cat=31&post=274324&page=1&p=1&sondage=0&owntopic=1&trash=0&trash_post=0&print=0&numreponse=0"e_only=0&new=0&nojs=0

Your build looks pretty solid! Two things I will critique:

Use the Samsung Spinpoint F3 for your hard disk (more storage/$ and the performance is just as good).
If you do not plan to use SLI or Crossfire, you can get away with a 1156 socket without any real loss in performance at a lower price; however, that's a fairly complicated decision. If you see yourself upgrading to the i9 core when it comes out, or if you see yourself using SLI/Crossfire in the future, then 1366 may be the way to go...



Dude your motherboard(your link) is overkill if he doesn't overclock hardcore..
plus that RAM has the same latencies and speed of a GSKILL ram, but the GSKILL RAM can be purchased at a lower price...
and windows 7 pro? lol
that CM case is overrated, not worth the price..mind as well get a HAF 932 or Antec 1200 which cools BETTER
the 650W psu won't do for crossfire/sli..
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November 9, 2009 8:04:45 PM

overshocks said:
Here's a build that I've done for another person.

You don't need i7 920 for gaming, seriously...920 is for video encoding and other designing/editing programs.

i5 750 is more than enough for your gaming needs.

You can use my build as a reference...by the way what's your monitor model? check the resolution.

5870 is overkill if your monitor isn't 30"

I only used newegg, but you can use other sites if you can find the same parts for cheaper.
Or if you can find better combos at newegg

Here's an i5 750 build with new monitor, without O.S

>MOBO+RAM
30 dollar discount
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

>Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Hard drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Monitor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


>Optical Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Heatsink

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

>Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $1,288.88 Before Rebate

This build gives you the ability to crossfire/sli in the future if new games are more demanding. You could add in another graphics card, the power supply is decent and could handle 2 graphics card.


Well would this build be good with the 5870 also? I do have a 52" plasma I would like to use my computer with when I'm not using it with my monitor. My monitor is an 23" Acer H223, pretty sure its 1920x1080 but im for sure. Also I'd rather use the blu-ray drive, I use netflix and are always watching movies. But are you sure the processor is overkill? I do want to be able to run Crysis maxed at a good resolution
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November 9, 2009 8:15:25 PM

bwise7416 said:
Well would this build be good with the 5870 also? I do have a 52" plasma I would like to use my computer with when I'm not using it with my monitor. My monitor is an 23" Acer H223, pretty sure its 1920x1080 but im for sure. Also I'd rather use the blu-ray drive, I use netflix and are always watching movies. But are you sure the processor is overkill? I do want to be able to run Crysis maxed at a good resolution


^i said use this build as a "reference" meaning you can switch out the optical drive and replace it with your bluray drive or whatever...

the i7 920 is overkill for gaming if you don't use intensive editing/designing programs..such as CAD...if you still don't believe me go google or ask more people on here...note i'm a veteran if that changes anything..

you can play crysis MAXED settings at 1920x1080 with 8AA even with 5870...but it's mostly under 60fps...which means laggy at times...

are you talkin about crysis original and at what directx9 or directx10..

here's an article look at the chart..note this is talking about CRYSIS WARHEAD at 1920x1200, 4AA, enthusiast shaders, gamer quality, that means NOT MAX'ed yet...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=17
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November 9, 2009 8:19:28 PM

overshocks said:
^i said use this build as a "reference" meaning you can switch out the optical drive and replace it with your bluray drive or whatever...

the i7 920 is overkill for gaming if you don't use intensive editing/designing programs..such as CAD...

you can play crysis MAXED settings at 1920x1080 with 8AA even with 5870...but it's mostly under 60fps...

are you talkin about crysis original and at what directx9 or directx10..

here's a article..note this is talking about CRYSIS WARHEAD
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=17


direct x 10 i think, and the original crysis. but i also would like to buy warhead as well. this is going to be my first build, and i want it to last awhile. so your build would okay if i decided to drop in a 2nd card in the future? and also this processor would be good for a long time? sorry if my questions sound dumb lol
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November 9, 2009 8:21:45 PM

bwise7416 said:
direct x 10 i think, and the original crysis. but i also would like to buy warhead as well. this is going to be my first build, and i want it to last awhile. so your build would okay if i decided to drop in a 2nd card in the future? and also this processor would be good for a long time? sorry if my questions sound dumb lol


the i5 750 i suggested would be great for gaming..and later on too..that's if you don't work in the designing/editing industry like i mentioned before

also: i edited my above post..

the power supply i suggested have 4 x 6+2-Pin, so it will work with 2x5870. not 3x5870

by the way are you doing an overclock on the cpu? if so how much?
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November 9, 2009 8:27:36 PM

overshocks said:
the i5 750 i suggested would be great for gaming..and later on too..that's if you don't work in the designing/editing industry like i mentioned before

also: i edited my above post..

the power supply i suggested have 4 x 6+2-Pin, so it will work with 2x5870. not 3x5870

by the way are you doing an overclock on the cpu? if so how much?


i dont really plan on overclocking as i do not know much about it. i would rather keep it stock clocked to make sure it stays cool, with those kinda graphics i wont feel the need to overclock.

but i really like the configuration you suggested, but just to clarify if i built it with a 5870 itll be ready to drop a second one in for crossfire in the future if i choose?
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November 9, 2009 8:32:20 PM

bwise7416 said:
i dont really plan on overclocking as i do not know much about it. i would rather keep it stock clocked to make sure it stays cool, with those kinda graphics i wont feel the need to overclock.

but i really like the configuration you suggested, but just to clarify if i built it with a 5870 itll be ready to drop a second one in for crossfire in the future if i choose?




yes, i answered the 2x5870 question already, yes with my suggested build you can drop in another 5870 in the future and crossfire it

when you have 2x5870 in the future, you will need to overclock the cpu, or else it's likely to become a bottleneck since the graphics card are that fast..you will need to around 3.2GHZ+ for the i5 750

if you are unsure about how to overclock, go to the overclocking section in this forums, and read the guides there. they are really helpful.
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November 9, 2009 8:33:40 PM

overshocks said:
yes, i answered the 2x5870 question already, yes with my suggested build you can drop in another 5870 in the future and crossfire it

when you have 2x5870 in the future, you will need to overclock the cpu, or else it's a bottleneck since the graphics card are that fast..you will need to around 3.2GHZ+

if you are unsure about how to overclock, go to the overclocking section in this forums, and read the guides there. they are really helpful.


alright i figure as much thanks, if i do drop in a second card ill look into over clocking thanks for your advice
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November 9, 2009 8:35:02 PM

bwise7416 said:
alright i figure as much thanks, if i do drop in a second card ill look into over clocking thanks for your advice


no problem..

i suggest you to look around on black friday and cyber monday..there will be a lot of items for sale. and you could save a few bucks
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November 9, 2009 9:34:25 PM

overshocks said:
Dude your motherboard(your link) is overkill if he doesn't overclock hardcore..
plus that RAM has the same latencies and speed of a GSKILL ram, but the GSKILL RAM can be purchased at a lower price...
and windows 7 pro? lol
that CM case is overrated, not worth the price..mind as well get a HAF 932 or Antec 1200 which cools BETTER
the 650W psu won't do for crossfire/sli..


Once again, this was just a reference to the build I was considering...
- The mobo is overkill, but I do plan to OC, and I may get Crossfire in the future. Not to mention with the combo deal, you're getting a top-notch board for a very good price.
- The RAM is $3 more expensive than the G.SKILL kit but has slightly tighter timings, and I chose it for my build because I've found Mushkin tech support to be extremely helpful in the past
- Are you suggesting that I upgrade to Ultimate, or downgrade to Home Premium?
- Yes, the Antec 1200 is a great case, but I do want to be able to add a drop-in radiator at some point. Can the HAF 932 accommodate this without permanent modifications to the case?
- Good point on the PSU, I will make the adjustment to my build
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November 9, 2009 10:03:08 PM

nofun said:
Once again, this was just a reference to the build I was considering...
- The mobo is overkill, but I do plan to OC, and I may get Crossfire in the future. Not to mention with the combo deal, you're getting a top-notch board for a very good price.
- The RAM is $3 more expensive than the G.SKILL kit but has slightly tighter timings, and I chose it for my build because I've found Mushkin tech support to be extremely helpful in the past
- Are you suggesting that I upgrade to Ultimate, or downgrade to Home Premium?
- Yes, the Antec 1200 is a great case, but I do want to be able to add a drop-in radiator at some point. Can the HAF 932 accommodate this without permanent modifications to the case?
- Good point on the PSU, I will make the adjustment to my build


that mobo is for enthusiast overclockers, which i doubt that's the level you're at. just assuming..
i agree it's a great deal for the combo.

you really need windows 7 pro? home premium will do..for a gaming system...

the antec 1200 can accommodate a radiator..same with haf 932
http://media.photobucket.com/image/haf%20932%20radiator...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=589492
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November 10, 2009 11:21:51 AM

overshocks said:
^do you have evidence that raid 0 has a slim chance of failure?
"its like 50% of infinity is still infinity" you're too funny...


Quote:
When you run multiple disks in RAID0, there is an increased risk of failure. This risk is slightly less than the risk of failure for one disk multiplied with the number of disks in the RAID0 Array. However, failure of one disk in the array results in total data loss. Some examples or the increase in risk:

1) Two disks in RAID0, risk of failure of each disk is 1% (0.01). There are three possibilities of failure in the array: disk1 fails, disk2 fails, and both disks fail. Mathematically, this works out as follows: (0.01x0.99 + 0.99x0.01 + 0.01x0.01) = 0.0199 or 1.99%. Thus, risk of failure of one or both disks in the array is almost double of that when you run a single disk.


And note, 1% is merely an example. Standard HDD failure rates are a fraction of 1%.

A single Samsung Spinpoint F3 has an MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) of 1.2 million hours. So, when in a RAID 0 array, the MTBF of the array is 603,000 operational hours.

There's your evidence.

Now on to the second part. 603,000 hours roughly works out to 68 years. And mind you, this equates to 68 operational hours. So, if you run your computer 18 hours a day, and considering, in a hypothetical case, you PC has HDD read/write cycles being carried out all the time, it means your array will last you roughly 90 years.

Considering that no one uses an HDD more than 5 years, 90 years can be considered infinity, hence "its like 50% of infinity is still infinity"
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November 10, 2009 7:36:43 PM



This is some great info, thanks for the links!

So not to hijack this thread, but my $64,000 question is: Which case would be best for what I want? Water cooling in the future, i5-750 overclocked, multiple GPUs in the future, and it must run quiet.
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November 10, 2009 7:56:27 PM

nofun said:
This is some great info, thanks for the links!

So not to hijack this thread, but my $64,000 question is: Which case would be best for what I want? Water cooling in the future, i5-750 overclocked, multiple GPUs in the future, and it must run quiet.


HAF 932 is for watercooling and it's more quiet because of the larger fans, which makes them spin slower thus less noise than antec 1200 fans.

Antec 1200 is for air cooling...fans noisier than haf 932...

So there you have it...
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November 10, 2009 7:57:00 PM

xbonez said:
Quote:
When you run multiple disks in RAID0, there is an increased risk of failure. This risk is slightly less than the risk of failure for one disk multiplied with the number of disks in the RAID0 Array. However, failure of one disk in the array results in total data loss. Some examples or the increase in risk:

1) Two disks in RAID0, risk of failure of each disk is 1% (0.01). There are three possibilities of failure in the array: disk1 fails, disk2 fails, and both disks fail. Mathematically, this works out as follows: (0.01x0.99 + 0.99x0.01 + 0.01x0.01) = 0.0199 or 1.99%. Thus, risk of failure of one or both disks in the array is almost double of that when you run a single disk.


And note, 1% is merely an example. Standard HDD failure rates are a fraction of 1%.

A single Samsung Spinpoint F3 has an MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) of 1.2 million hours. So, when in a RAID 0 array, the MTBF of the array is 603,000 operational hours.

There's your evidence.

Now on to the second part. 603,000 hours roughly works out to 68 years. And mind you, this equates to 68 operational hours. So, if you run your computer 18 hours a day, and considering, in a hypothetical case, you PC has HDD read/write cycles being carried out all the time, it means your array will last you roughly 90 years.

Considering that no one uses an HDD more than 5 years, 90 years can be considered infinity, hence "its like 50% of infinity is still infinity"


Interesting info there, by the way where did you get that quote?
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November 10, 2009 10:37:53 PM

The part quoted, I got from some other forum, but its basically simple probability so I did not feel the need to source it (since its neither the posters IP, nor can its credibility be doubted)
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November 10, 2009 10:39:15 PM

xbonez said:
The part quoted, I got from some other forum, but its basically simple probability so I did not feel the need to source it (since its neither the posters IP, nor can its credibility be doubted)


lol..funny
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