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November 17, 2009 4:56:08 AM

Hi. I want to build a new gaming rig with,
Cpu: core i5 750,
mobo: msi p55 gd 65.
I'm doing this upgrade to play gta 4 mainly.
Now i'm stuck in choosing the right gpu. I.e between GTS 250 and HD 5750. 5750 is Dx 11 compilant so i'm attracted towards that. But I've heard that gta 4 is nvidia friendly? Is that right? Which among the two is a better one for gta 4?
5750 is at the dead end of my budget. Right now, i'll game at 1280x1024. May buy a new 22" monitor next year.

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a b U Graphics card
November 17, 2009 5:05:41 AM

The HD 5850 is light years ahead of the GTS 250 (even for GTAIV) but at that resolution it would be overkill.

I recommend the HD 5750 instead.



Just remember that GTAIV doesn't use DX11.
November 17, 2009 5:05:53 AM

I would say 5850 would be a better choice (if you can find one), if you get the new monitor.
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November 17, 2009 5:07:57 AM

I'm really sorry for this Because i've mentioned 5850 instead of 5750. I'm interested in 5750. Is gta 4 nvidia friendly?
November 17, 2009 5:09:49 AM

Doesn't really matter if you get the 5750...
a c 376 U Graphics card
November 17, 2009 5:10:26 AM

The HD5850 is a much, much better card for any game than a GTS 250. The only Nvidia card better than the HD5850 is a GTX 295. The bad news is an HD5850 is nearly impossible to find right now. The good news is I THINK you actually meant an HD5750 and that card is findable and definitely a better purchase than the GTS 250.
November 17, 2009 5:32:43 AM

the gts 250 is older, and it doesn't support dx 11 but it actually performs better than the higher priced 5750 in dx10 games. if all you want to do is gta 4 and dont have future proofing in mind, it's better to get the gts 250, or 4850 for that matter. get the 1gb.

the only thing i have to say against the 5750 is that i don't think it holds enough juice to power the upcoming dx11 games, so i think its dx11 support is negated (for my resolution and detail standards at least)

if you have the money, buy 250 1gb or 4850 1gb (whichever's cheaper), then save up for stronger dx11 cards so that you could enjoy dx11 with all it's glory when it matures. then sell the 250 or 4850.

..but if youre on a tight budget, and could only afford the cards mentioned, just go with 5750.
November 17, 2009 8:29:50 AM

Thanks for all your support. I saw benchmarks on tomshardware and found that gts 250 beats 5750 in gta 4 by some unnegligible margin. So. I'll buy a gts 250 1gb then.
For how many years may dx 10 last?
a b U Graphics card
November 17, 2009 9:00:59 AM

BruceOTB said:
the gts 250 is older, and it doesn't support dx 11 but it actually performs better than the higher priced 5750 in dx10 games. if all you want to do is gta 4 and dont have future proofing in mind, it's better to get the gts 250, or 4850 for that matter. get the 1gb.

the only thing i have to say against the 5750 is that i don't think it holds enough juice to power the upcoming dx11 games, so i think its dx11 support is negated (for my resolution and detail standards at least)

if you have the money, buy 250 1gb or 4850 1gb (whichever's cheaper), then save up for stronger dx11 cards so that you could enjoy dx11 with all it's glory when it matures. then sell the 250 or 4850.

..but if youre on a tight budget, and could only afford the cards mentioned, just go with 5750.


excellent point here , upcoming dx11 games will require more "juice" (nice use of the word) to play at even 1680x1050 at high settings .

as an example , even the 5870 takes a drop performance when running in dx11 mode compared to dx10 mode in unigine's benchmarks ... lets wait what 3dmark dx11 will say .

ill suggest buying a 4870 1gb , not that much in price over a gts 1gb , and selling it later when dx11 has matured in games . and not to mention , check out all the hd5000 prices then , ull be amazed . the 4870 512 meg launched at 300 dollars last june . a 4870 will do fine at 16x10 resolution when u get the new monitor .
November 19, 2009 9:59:31 AM

Thanks for your help. Will the x8 speeds in multi gpu on core i5 hamper the frame rates compared to multi GPU in i7-920 which allows x16 in crossfire or SLI? What would be the difference in frame rates approximately?
a b U Graphics card
November 19, 2009 11:32:35 AM

The reduction is frame rates would be very minor to the point you'd never perceive it outside of benchmarking.
November 19, 2009 2:47:20 PM

Thanks.
A query for my old rig. It supports only upto 533 MHz DDR2. Can I install a 667 mhz or higher bandwidth memory in it?
a b U Graphics card
November 19, 2009 2:53:00 PM

Depends on the board. Which motherboard do you currently have?

Typically though it will just get down clocked to 533 Mhz.
a b U Graphics card
November 19, 2009 4:04:54 PM

jyjjy said:
The HD5850 is a much, much better card for any game than a GTS 250. The only Nvidia card better than the HD5850 is a GTX 295. The bad news is an HD5850 is nearly impossible to find right now. The good news is I THINK you actually meant an HD5750 and that card is findable and definitely a better purchase than the GTS 250.


The 5750 is on par with the GTS 250 performance-wise....

The 5850 is on par with the GTX 285, not the GTX 295.... to this date the GTX 295 is still faster than a 5870 in most games. But of course at this point in time it would not be wise to spend cash on a last-gen GPU due to all the bells and whistles the 5XXX series provides.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5750-review-cro...

http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/18

5850's available for under 350.00$ shipped :

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD5850-1GB-DDR5-2DV...

don't expect to find any 5850's under that pricetag anytime soon ;) 




November 19, 2009 4:25:44 PM

TheViper said:
Depends on the board. Which motherboard do you currently have?

Typically though it will just get down clocked to 533 Mhz.


MSI, MS 7174 supporting pentium 4.
a b U Graphics card
November 19, 2009 6:29:40 PM

Sweet, but it makes no sense why they didnt do this is the first place...
November 19, 2009 6:36:42 PM

buying 5750 can be more logical . 'cos it is 40 nm ( needing lower power ) and supports dx11 ( in the future most of games are produced according to this ) .
a b U Graphics card
November 19, 2009 6:46:45 PM

vinay_venturas said:
MSI, MS 7174 supporting pentium 4.

You can go up to 800 Mhz with a Pentium 4 in it.
November 20, 2009 1:51:46 AM

Can a 5750 be crossfired with a 5770?
a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2009 2:07:10 AM

Yes.
November 20, 2009 2:35:40 PM

TheViper said:
You can go up to 800 Mhz with a Pentium 4 in it.


Should any overclocking be done to reach 800 mhz or will the bandwidth be automatically reduced to 533 Mhz?
a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2009 7:46:04 PM

According to MSI it supports that speed natively with a Pentium 4.
November 21, 2009 4:08:35 AM

Thanks a lot for your help. I'll buy a 5750 1 GB now and will crossfire it with a 5770 after a year.
November 21, 2009 4:27:12 PM

Back to my old rig, I installed 1Gb of 667 Mhz memory. Everything is working fine, but there is no audio on windows xp service pack 2. After i reinstalled the driver, i got the message, "device is not working properly."
i don't have any other operating system. So, what to do now? Please help.
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