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November 18, 2009 1:54:41 AM

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a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 2:30:35 AM

Only five days later than the Austrians 5970 @ €505,39 MSRP
November 18, 2009 2:32:21 AM

How much is that in US dollars?
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November 18, 2009 2:34:00 AM

It's $1005.53 USD in NZ.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 2:37:11 AM

$751 USD
November 18, 2009 2:38:59 AM

OMG, it's extremely overpriced as all the PC parts in NZ as always!
November 18, 2009 3:26:11 AM

Who wants to buy me this for christmas? lol
November 18, 2009 3:28:15 AM

Definitely not me! I had just spent $1606USD on my new i5 rig last week.
November 18, 2009 3:28:48 AM

Bringing back good old 8800Ultra prices $700+ USD lol well at least it is 2 chips wonder how much you have to pay to buy one then stick the chip into 5870's that you wanted to crossfire instead and couldn't find.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 6:18:25 AM

Well considering the 5870 is $400US, a 5970, which is two 5870 is cheaper than a crossfire 5870.

I can't believe I am going to say this, but, where is nvidia when you need them?
November 18, 2009 6:45:53 AM

soundefx said:
Well considering the 5870 is $400US, a 5970, which is two 5870 is cheaper than a crossfire 5870.

I can't believe I am going to say this, but, where is nvidia when you need them?

Actually, I prefer nVidia being away for longer so that those AMD fan boys will know what IS going to happen if Intel/nVidia vanish as they wish!

As I stated in the other thread previously, AMD is also a commercial company after all and will never give you bargains if they were in the leading place instead of Intel/nVidia.
November 18, 2009 6:47:01 AM

Talking about tempting except my Q6600 would be so much a bottleneck with this baby!
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 6:50:08 AM

It's tempting, but not sufficient to make me replace my quadfire 4870x2s yet. Maybe with the next gen.
November 18, 2009 6:54:35 AM

cjl said:
It's tempting, but not sufficient to make me replace my quadfire 4870x2s yet. Maybe with the next gen.

Why don't you save your money for i9 or Sandybridge? 4 x 4870x2 is insanely excellent at least for another 3 years.
November 18, 2009 6:57:48 AM

BTW, is 1.384V your core voltage displayed on CPU-Z and the voltage set in the BIOS?
November 18, 2009 7:08:01 AM

An excellent card with massive OC headroom but the price is :( 
a c 322 U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 7:16:03 AM

michaelmk86 said:
An excellent card with massive OC headroom but the price is :( 

Why is 600 bucks for the fastest dual GPU card bad?, it's an ATi card thus it's cheaper than it's Nv counterpart or it would be if Nv had a counterpart.
November 18, 2009 7:18:15 AM

I think that he is looking at the price in NZ.
November 18, 2009 7:21:06 AM

Mousemonkey said:
Why is 600 bucks for the fastest dual GPU card bad?, it's an ATi card thus it's cheaper than it's Nv counterpart or it would be if Nv had a counterpart.

Because the HD4870x2 cost 500€(release date) and now the HD5970 cost 570€.
a c 322 U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 7:42:49 AM

michaelmk86 said:
Because the HD4870x2 cost 500€(release date) and now the HD5970 cost 570€.

You obviously have yet to get the gist of this forum, the ATi card is cheap the Nv card is expensive, only Nv charge too much ATi would/will never overcharge as whatever you have to pay it is never more than you should pay.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 8:07:37 AM

If nVidia had been able to keep their G200 pricing up, wonder how much the 295 would have cost?
900/950 or more?
nVidia pricing has been outta this world, sorta like Mars
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 8:15:58 AM

andy5174 said:
Why don't you save your money for i9 or Sandybridge? 4 x 4870x2 is insanely excellent at least for another 3 years.

A lot will depend on what exactly comes out and how much money I have when it comes out. I don't think I'll be getting i9 unless it either performs better than I'm expecting right now, or is cheaper than I'm expecting. Sandy bridge is a distinct possibility. If 4GB DIMMS get cheap enough, I'd seriously consider an upgrade to 24GB as well - that could prove quite useful for some of the actual work I use my computer for (as opposed to gaming).

As for GPUs, I agree. 2 4870x2s (4 GPUs total, not 4 cards) is quite good for now, though I may reconsider if enough DX11 stuff starts coming out. I'm not hurting for speed though. These new cards look amazing though (despite being quite sizable). I'm glad to see the built in overclocking headroom - the 4870x2s don't have a whole lot of room for overclocking.

Oh, and 1.384 is CPU-Z. I don't remember what it's set to in the BIOS.
a c 322 U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 8:18:36 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
If nVidia had been able to keep their G200 pricing up, wonder how much the 295 would have cost?
900/950 or more?
nVidia pricing has been outta this world, sorta like Mars

Ifs, buts, and maybes. The decision to kill off the G200's was made a while ago at the top level when a new GPU was decided upon rather than an evolution of the existing one except for the GT210, 220 and 240 which were released back in May/June to the OEM's to satisfy contractual obligations so that it would be possible to then just move on to the next level and cut ties with the old.
November 18, 2009 8:39:06 AM

Mousemonkey said:
You obviously have yet to get the gist of this forum, the ATi card is cheap the Nv card is expensive, only Nv charge too much ATi would/will never overcharge as whatever you have to pay it is never more than you should pay.

I just say that the HD4870x2 was cheaper last year than the HD5970, and you start saying that the ATi is cheaper than nvidia witch is irrelevant to the topic, what is wrong with you.
a c 322 U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 8:50:46 AM

michaelmk86 said:
I just say that the HD4870x2 was cheaper last year than the HD5970, and you start saying that the ATi is cheaper than nvidia witch is irrelevant to the topic, what is wrong with you.

Nothings wrong with me as I can grasp the concept of a tongue in cheek comment, unlike yourself it would seem.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 8:59:59 AM

Ummm exsqueeeze me, but the 295 isnt the fastest nVidia card, the Mars is, no if and or buts about it, and its price?
November 18, 2009 9:22:37 AM

And once again ATI assumes the throne for having the fastest and greatest graphics card in the universe.
a c 322 U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 9:24:09 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Ummm exsqueeeze me, but the 295 isnt the fastest nVidia card, the Mars is, no if and or buts about it, and its price?

The 'standard' Nv designed Mars edition that was made by Asus to it's own design?, a bit like that Ati dual card that was made by Sapphire again to it's own design and as such was not considered 'standard' if it had driver problems but if it's got Nv GPU's then it's different and not the same, apples to breadcrates.
November 18, 2009 9:30:05 AM

cjl said:
Oh, and 1.384 is CPU-Z. I don't remember what it's set to in the BIOS.


It seems to be very good compared to i5. Isn't 965 a C0 version ONLY i7?

Are all the i7@4.2GHz at this kind of voltage or just extreme edition which has a higher base clock?

Thanks.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 9:31:16 AM

OK, so Asus makes its own gpus? No nVidia?
So, having prices rise because of no nVidia cards, TSMCs crappy 40nm, a brand new card that still cheaper than the 280s release price, non claims of the Mars cards, and shame on ATI, I think I get it, I think
Plus, just going by perf, the 5970 is still cheaper than the 295 is price/perf
November 18, 2009 9:41:31 AM

God I want to watercool and overclock the hell out of a 5970...
a c 322 U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 9:52:30 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
OK, so Asus makes its own gpus? No nVidia?
So, having prices rise because of no nVidia cards, TSMCs crappy 40nm, a brand new card that still cheaper than the 280s release price, non claims of the Mars cards, and shame on ATI, I think I get it, I think
Plus, just going by perf, the 5970 is still cheaper than the 295 is price/perf

If the Mars edition was a factory i.e. Nv standard, then where is/are the XFX, Gigabyte, MSI, Pallit etc, versions? and if it is a standard that has been set then the Vapour X can also be viewed as a standard that has been set even though it's a one off and has been up for over £520 ($874).
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 10:02:27 AM

Well, reading Cleeves best bang for the buck, how often was the 4850x2 listed?
November 18, 2009 10:21:01 AM

Mousemonkey said:
You obviously have yet to get the gist of this forum, the ATi card is cheap the Nv card is expensive, only Nv charge too much ATi would/will never overcharge as whatever you have to pay it is never more than you should pay.

Nice sarcasm :lol:  Of course AMD will overcharge if they have a chance, thats why we need a competition. I wince everytime when I think of monopoly in any area, cpu/gpu, w/e. And not only overcharge, would cut on R&D too, slow down progress.
a c 322 U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 10:26:51 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Well, reading Cleeves best bang for the buck, how often was the 4850x2 listed?

If the Mars edition was a factory i.e. Nv standard, then where is/are the XFX, Gigabyte, MSI, Pallit etc, versions? and if it is a standard that has been set then the Vapour X can also be viewed as a standard that has been set even though it's a one off and has been up for over £520 ($874).
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 10:31:09 AM

Point is, price/perf still rules on the 5970 side vs the 295, regardless of cost.
Since its just released, and the best card, halo part you can buy, beating nVidia in price/perf on a year old part is somewhat amazing actually
a c 322 U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 10:42:47 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Point is, price/perf still rules on the 5970 side vs the 295, regardless of cost.
Since its just released, and the best card, halo part you can buy, beating nVidia in price/perf on a year old part is somewhat amazing actually

So taking a year to catch up with and overtake the competition is good?, in which case if Nv come up with anything before November 2010 they will be GPU gods then, is that what you're saying? :whistle: 
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 10:47:14 AM

its a kick in the balls for nvidia - about time the competition changed
a c 322 U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 10:54:34 AM

apache_lives said:
its a kick in the balls for nvidia - about time the competition changed

Agreed, a two horse race can only be bettered by a three horse or more.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 10:54:38 AM

Cmon MM, the x2 was winning a few games, and is very close to the 295, and alot cheaper too.
Its been over a year since nVidia released any top tier part, 2nd and 3rd, and you say that ATI is late?
Its simply the fastest card, thats all.
nVidias being late is their fault, not ATIs, and they may not top this card, and it just may take nVidia til Nov 10 to overtake ATI
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 11:14:10 AM

Wait...overcharge?

The chip is larger than the 4870 = more cost. On top of that there are the issues with TSMC's 40nm = more cost. Add in the Vapor chamber (first reference card to use it) which probably has to be licenced to use..

And yet it is still the same price as two 5850's, when the reality is it can be overclocked well past two 5870's.

Hand on heart...are you *sure* this is overcharging? Cuz it doesn't look like it to me.
November 18, 2009 12:05:05 PM

Ha Ha! 5970 is completely out of stock everywhere! The excitement lasted half a day!
November 18, 2009 12:58:36 PM

LOL MM, you make me laugh. You couldn't be more negative if you tried!! I think this is great for the gfx market, it should make Nvidia stop playing with themselves and pull thier finger out. Remember after the ATI 9700 was released Aug 2002 and ATI was not beaten until the 6800 came out in April 2004? I'm pretty sure that was more than a year. (Dates taken from Wiki so appologies if they're incorrect). That didn't detract from the 6800 when it was released, or atleast not for me. You make some very strange arguments and points that are.... well... pointless. Still, keep it up, I find you most entertaining.
November 18, 2009 1:20:18 PM

I have to tell you, I'm kind of disappointed with the 5970. I mean, it's a great card and all, but I expected it to be better. It's the new king, but at $600, it's not any better of a deal than getting a 295. I saw a 295 on newegg the other day for $460 w/free shipping. Plus a 12" card. I just bought a new case and I'm not sure if would fit.

I don't actually own one. I have a single 1920x1200 and getting a 5970 would be way overkill for my current gaming needs. The only game that would see a noticeable improvement would be crysis at max settings. Future games may benefit, but I doubt game makers would make much money selling games that need a 5970 to play decently at 1920x1200.

If NVidia gets their act together with fermi, I wouldn't be surprised if NVidia reclaims the top spot by a considerable amount (and considerable $). That's a big if though.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 1:47:54 PM

What? The 5970 is about 50% faster in most games, thats without it being overclocked.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2009 2:36:03 PM

Interesting comment on anandtech

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679&p=5

"Enabling all of these features actually causes performance to rise, thanks to the more efficient implementation of HDAO as a compute shader as opposed to a pixel shader. Ultimately what this means is that unless HDAO is disabled entirely, STALKER is going to be faster on a DX11 card running the entire DX11 feature set than it will be when running the DX10 feature set."

So Dx11 *will* give a performance increase over Dx10.
November 18, 2009 2:39:42 PM

I'm going to wait until a reputable non-NZ non-EU website offers the 5970.

Also, I don't trust the price at all on these websites. How do they already have the units when no one else does?

I'd be more skeptical that they're just preorders, and you'll get a long delay in receiving yours.

If not; still...

I'm paying no more than $600 for a 5970- from newegg or zipzoomfly. Those places rule.
November 18, 2009 4:37:47 PM

jennyh said:
What? The 5970 is about 50% faster in most games, thats without it being overclocked.


Maybe with some games with specific settings, but on average it's nowhere near a 50% gain. Probably closer to 30%. $600 is about 30% more than $460, so like I said it's not a better deal in terms of price/performance.

Overclocking can be done on the 295 also.
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