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January 28, 2010 7:17:50 PM

i'm putting myself together my own computer. i've already found most of the parts but i have almost absolutely no idea what to get for the computer case and power supply.

- i think i want a case that comes with a power supply. as that'll be cheaper and i'm kinda poor xD

- i'm thinking around a 600 watt power supply will be good. (what the computer will be used for mostly is gaming, movies, and music)

- this is what i've got for parts, so help me find a chassis and power supply to go with (btw please don't tell me to get anything different than what i already have):


MOTHERBOARD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HARD DRIVE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PROCESSOR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

VIDEO CARD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


the chassis and power supply can be seperate if they need to be but try to look first for together
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 7:35:47 PM

Many PSUs that come in a case are utter garbage. One notable exception is the Antec Earthwatts PSUs that sometimes come in Antec cases.
The video card you have chosen uses very little power. Unfortunately, you may also find it weak for gaming, the #1 purpose you list; so yes I will suggest you choose a better one if at all possible. A HD4670 for only $5 to $10 more will be a notable improvement: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
I have had nothing but good results from any cheap Rosewill case I ever bought. They're only around $30. For the PSU, to have some assurance of quality, choose one with full range active PFC (no little voltage switch) and 80+ certification. Just to keep it simple, if I were the one buying I would get a 380W Antec Earthwatts.
a b ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 7:36:05 PM

Do you have a price range you are looking for? I could suggest a ton of different combos of PSU and case, but give us a max price and we can start narrowing things down a bit more. Also- I think you can get a better GPU than that for not much more money (especially if you can wait on a MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
That is just a quick look through of cards that are better than the 9500GT and are near the same price, some After MIR, some without.
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January 28, 2010 7:42:14 PM

i'm looking for under $400
a b ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 7:44:34 PM

This case currently has free shipping with a promo code, and should work fine if you are looking for pretty cheap.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I would not get a bundled PSU and case because the quality of the PSU is often very poor and can potentially cause problems.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This PSU should do all you are looking for for a good price and is very good quality. Its also on a good deal with free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This one is pretty good too, and is modular which can be nice as far as cable management and airflow go.
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 7:46:45 PM

To be certain, I just searched through all the case+PSU combinations. The cheapest one I'd even consider is this $80 Antec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... since the PSU is an Earthwatts. Anything cheaper was absolutely fecal.
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 7:51:22 PM

The cheap Rosewill case that flyinfinni linked is one of the ones I've bought and thought was decent.

Unfortunately, the 430W Antec Basiq is about the only Antec PSU I would not buy, as it is the only one I've seen not get good competent technical reviews. In contrast, the 500W Basiq was judged to be a solid entry-level PSU by hardwaresecrets.com.
a b ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 7:55:13 PM

Onus said:
The cheap Rosewill case that flyinfinni linked is one of the ones I've bought and thought was decent.

Unfortunately, the 430W Antec Basiq is about the only Antec PSU I would not buy, as it is the only one I've seen not get good competent technical reviews. In contrast, the 500W Basiq was judged to be a solid entry-level PSU by hardwaresecrets.com.


Huh- I didn't know that about the PSU. I've never heard anything bad about the Antecs, and it was a good price. You learn something new everyday eh? I do know the OCZ one that I listed is solid- I have the 700W version and all 3 got solid reviews and mine has been solid.
Thanks for the correction!
January 28, 2010 8:37:01 PM

sorry typo above. *video card, instead...


so i'm at roughly $290 now. so i'd like the case and power supply to be like around $110. ugh but then there's the ram too... well, more power supplies and cases please? (i'll think about that later)
January 28, 2010 8:47:56 PM

i'd also lito state that this won't be a full hard-core gaming computer. yeah, i'll play games, but not totally graphic intensive games.
a b ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 8:50:24 PM

Thats a nice video card, though you can probably get a similar one (see my link above) for about $20 less after mail in rebates. (The 1 gb of VRam won't make too much of a difference with a 4670- 512 should be enough.)
a b ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 8:52:38 PM

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
Take alook at that list and basically find the cheapest one you can find from Tier 3 and above. the $25 case I listed above (with free shipping) is about the cheapest you'll get a reasonable case for.
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 9:14:58 PM

That tiered listing (actually from another source) used to be scripture around here, but has unfortunately become so dated as to be almost useless. Proximon is working on a new tiered listing based on +12V amperage output (I'll be updating my part this weekend!).
The simplest way I know to pick a PSU today is to look for full range active PFC (NO little voltage switch) and 80+ certification (the higher the level, the better). Antec, Corsair, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, and Enermax are among the better brands. I have to admit to being an Antec fanboy, but I believe that competent technical reviews (i.e. those with load testing, waveform analysis, and even dissection, such as those done at www.jonnyguru.com, www.hardwaresecrets.com, and www.hardocp.com) all support my beliefs in the quality of Antec PSUs (all but that 430W Basiq).
a b ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 9:35:34 PM

Yeah, the 4670 is better than the 9500GT, but uses a little more power. Anyway, for a good cheap case you can go with something like an Apevia X-Gear

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And of course there are also the X-Dreamers. Just be aware when picking a different color as it's a different model number and may come with a different PSU. The one I linked to has 18A on the 12v rail which while rather sad, should be more than sufficient for your planned system. If you want a different color, be sure to review the PSU and make sure it has at least 18A on one rail, or 14A on two. Anything less will not do.

Of course, when you upgrade your system latter on you will have to replace the PSU. After all, better GPUs require more power than many of the PSUs in these budget cases can provide. With that in mind you may as well at least pick a good looking case you will be happy with ^_^
January 28, 2010 9:37:46 PM

Onus said:
To be certain, I just searched through all the case+PSU combinations. The cheapest one I'd even consider is this $80 Antec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... since the PSU is an Earthwatts. Anything cheaper was absolutely fecal.


This is probably the best deal Case+PSU combo.
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 9:48:57 PM

The 420W Apevia PSU is fecal; was reviewed at jonnyguru.com.
January 28, 2010 9:54:10 PM

sigh... this is really getting a bit expensive. is there any parts i could maybe downgrade a little? remember i don't want a full hard-core gaming pc

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a c 105 ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 11:00:07 PM
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Well, this X3 is $11 cheaper and probably better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you buy the case and PSU separately, get the $25 case that flyinfinni linked, and a 380W Antec Earthwatts for another $45: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... because the total will be $10 less than the $80 case+PSU.
For the video card, I really think the HD4670 is the least you'd want...BUT, you have another option which will cost less up front and may at least be "sufferable" for a while.
Instead of paying $125 ($60+$65) for the mobo you picked and the cheapest HD4670, spend $90 after $15 MIR for a GIGABYTE GA-MA790GPT-UD3H AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The HD3300 integrated graphics on that board is weaker even than the 9500GT you first listed, but A) it will play games on lower settings, and B) will allow you to gauge how powerful a GPU to add later when you can afford it. You do not mention the games you play or the resolution of your monitor, but I was getting 30+ FPS in most areas in Guild Wars at 1440x900 using my 790GX board. What is your resolution, and what games do you want to play?
January 28, 2010 11:20:01 PM

i like the power supply. if you're sure that'll go with my motherboard then i'm thinking i'll go with that. the only thing is i won't really be able to use that second video card. which i guess means i'll save $20 but now that i'm thinking more, i remember talking with my teacher earlier on today about how something needs 400w from the psu ... hm i'm gonna need to check the parts again
January 28, 2010 11:48:36 PM

hm the motherboard you gave me looks pretty good. has everything i need and stuff, except- the built in graphics card. you said it was worse than even my first one. now i'm not sure.

you said that i can upgrade later on though, right? if yeah then i'm thinking maybe i'll go with this motherboard. if no... well?
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 11:54:03 PM

1. The HD4670 is much better than the 9500GT. There are cheaper ones available though, like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
There's one even cheaper, but has DDR2 RAM and will be much slower.
2. PSU recommendations from video card vendors are always overstated, because they are trying to account for all the crappy, overrated PSUs out there. The charts at http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264 give a much better picture of how much power is needed for a given GPU. A 380W Earthwatts has enough juice on its +12V rails for a HD4850; a HD4670 sips juice by comparison and doesn't even need a power connector.
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 28, 2010 11:54:54 PM

Yes, you can always add a discrete GPU to that motherboard later.
January 28, 2010 11:58:30 PM

my screen resolution is 1024 x 768

well for games i don't play much now, because my computer can't handle much. that's why i'm getting a new one heh. but i do want to do some games not hard core really graphic intensive games though. like... i won't be playing world of warcraft kind of games. the best i can say> i just want to be able to do Some gaming. i'll find out from there on xD
January 29, 2010 12:04:48 AM

i hear x2 is better than for a gaming computer because it's faster and all that... the x3 would be fine for my computer though, right?
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 29, 2010 12:06:34 AM

I believe that a more common resolution for gamers is 1680x1050, and benchmarks usually go up at least to 1920x1080 if not higher. At your resolution, low by today's standards, the IGP on the 790GX should do quite well. You may not even need a discrete GPU until you upgrade your monitor.
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 29, 2010 12:10:40 AM

A fast X2 can be as good as a mediocre X3, but in some recent THG articles, three cores were generally shown to be better than two, if only because of all the background stuff that Windows likes to run.
January 29, 2010 1:12:06 AM

ok cool... so then what i've got so far is: ?

MOTHERBOARD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

VIDEO CARD
goes with motherboard

PROCESSOR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HARD DRIVE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

POWER SUPPLY
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CHASSIS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


and all this works together i'm pretty sure.

that's only about $300 so far =D



thoughts/concerns

motherboard: looks pretty good. i like the fact that it support more memory types than the old motherboard i had

video card: eh. it's integrated. but definitely a lot cheaper and i really don't need too much more than that right now i'm sure. and, as long as i can always upgrade>>

processor: i like that it has really good ratings, even if only 33 people rated. it has .1 ghz less than the one i had, but no biggie. it has a lot les cache though...

hard drive: everyone likes it, it's good

power supply: seems alright. not too expensive. don't know enough about to say anything else. there's no power cord but i can probably get one for free from somewhere i know

chassis: seems kinda cheap. ok ratings. but it's cheap money-wise and i can always do more research to make it work, it has no built in drives but i might be able to get those for free too. an ok chassis, might get a better one for a little bit more $, since i can afford it and will be better and>>>>>

THE COMPUTER SO FAR ONLY COSTS $300! and all i have left to get is the ram, which will be maybe $100. but i think these prices are rounded up a little. so it cost less than $400. and so i have a few extra dollars to make the chassis a little better.


SO

that's all i need, right?





btw, i already have the monitor, the keyboard and mouse, and the operating system
a c 105 ) Power supply
January 29, 2010 8:57:46 AM

I've used that case, and it works well. Don't forget to add a DVD / CD drive; they're about $25.
If you can spare another few dollars, get a 500GB Samsung Spinpoint F3 drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... instead. The WD Blue series is reliable enough, but is a lot slower. The F3 is just $55.
Otherwise, you're good to go. Have fun!
January 29, 2010 9:07:31 AM

i know this is going to piss a few guys off but its how i got an old system that i had going.. go to the dumpster behind your local... not corperate owned... computer store.. like bobs pc repair... because alot of the time bob takes in a computer to work on and the person finds out that they dont want to pay bobs couple hundred dollar bill so bob takes what he wants and throws out the case... this is free... but becareful and findout if its legal... i dont want to be responsible for you getting in trouble... its a $50 ticket where i live


you can also post an add on http://www.craigslist.com and someone ma have one you can just haul off
February 5, 2010 2:02:53 AM

Best answer selected by mrunner4home.
a c 105 ) Power supply
February 6, 2010 1:04:46 AM

Thanks for the nod. Have fun with your build.
a b ) Power supply
February 6, 2010 2:39:48 AM

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