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May 21, 2010 4:35:06 AM

i am going to build a new Intel Core i7 system, and i am seeking some advice on what motherboard gives me the best value, performance, and features for the price?

i am going to use a i7 940, 6GB DDR3 ram, and a single video card. don't care if it has USB 3.0 since it'll be over 2 years until those devices are mainstream, and by then i could buy a pciex card.

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a c 302 V Motherboard
May 21, 2010 4:43:23 AM

Hi newcomer and welcome to the Tom's hardware forum.

The best mobo for price/performance is the ASUS P6X58D-E
a b V Motherboard
May 21, 2010 6:05:51 AM

^+1, otherwise the GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R. If you want epic looks and performance ('value' excluded :D ) then go with the ASUS Rampage III Extreme.
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May 21, 2010 8:36:38 AM

thank you, it seems many other people on the internet have the same opinion. ok so one more thing, i don't really game anymore, so i'm only looking for "desktop" performance, and yes i use my desktop for much more than just surfing the web, but...

my question is, is the performance gain over having a Core i7 with the 1156 socket really worth it?

right now i have a Q9400 LGA 775 processor with 4GB DDR2 RAM, and it's gotten quite slow to my liking... new applications have come out, and it's no longer as fast as it seemed to be...

so i was really looking forward to DDR3, i was expecting at least a 3-9% performance out of the DDR3 alone, and maybe another 10-15% from the CPU and new chipset and platform combined?

are my expectations wrong or not?

summary... i currently have a Q9400 CPU w/ 4GB DDR2-800, and X38 Chipset.
can i expect a 25% performance increase if i go X58 and 940 i7, and 6GB DDR3-1600 tripple channel?
and how much difference is it to an identical build with a i7 and socket 1156 since it doesn't support DDR3??
a b V Motherboard
May 21, 2010 9:46:22 AM

Well the Q9400 is still one decent processor. In terms of desktop, basic Photoshop, DVD ripping music encoding performance, I doubt you'll see much of a performance. DDR3 and triple channel doesn't really offer many benefits. 4GB is more than sufficient for main desktop activities. Socket 1156 supports DDR3, the i7 just does not use QPI, it uses DMI, and runs memory in dual channel, but it has a higher Turbo Boost. Don't go for a i7 940, the D0 stepping of the i7 930 would be more valuable than the 22x multiplier of the 940. In terms of performance, around that mark, possibly up to 100% if you use fully multi-threaded video editing applications for example. For something like Photoshop, I don't think you'll see much of a performance benefit.
a b V Motherboard
May 21, 2010 10:06:45 AM

I would go for the ASUS P6X58D-E too. Its performance is superb and the overclocking facilities on offer are a match for boards costing far more money...and it's an ASUS mobo which for me is a guarantee of high quality.
Anyway, the GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R is an excellent choice too. Its price/performance ratio is very difficult to be beaten. It is a fantastic bargain, leaving you with more cash to spend on the CPU, graphics card and cooling hardware. Besides this, this motherboard not only has SATA 3.0, USB 3.0, and USB Power III, also overclocks and performs just as good as well as the higher cost motherboards as you can see in this interesting article from this site:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/x58-usb-3.0-sata-6-gbps,r...

May 21, 2010 12:36:23 PM

go for EVGA X58 SLI Micro,i have one and it's rock stable.and cheap
May 21, 2010 12:38:36 PM

value excluded go for EVGA X58 4-way SLI classified lol
a c 302 V Motherboard
May 21, 2010 1:10:46 PM

alfredox said:
thank you, it seems many other people on the internet have the same opinion. ok so one more thing, i don't really game anymore, so i'm only looking for "desktop" performance, and yes i use my desktop for much more than just surfing the web, but...

my question is, is the performance gain over having a Core i7 with the 1156 socket really worth it?

right now i have a Q9400 LGA 775 processor with 4GB DDR2 RAM, and it's gotten quite slow to my liking... new applications have come out, and it's no longer as fast as it seemed to be...

so i was really looking forward to DDR3, i was expecting at least a 3-9% performance out of the DDR3 alone, and maybe another 10-15% from the CPU and new chipset and platform combined?

are my expectations wrong or not?

summary... i currently have a Q9400 CPU w/ 4GB DDR2-800, and X38 Chipset.
can i expect a 25% performance increase if i go X58 and 940 i7, and 6GB DDR3-1600 tripple channel?
and how much difference is it to an identical build with a i7 and socket 1156 since it doesn't support DDR3??


If u aren't a gamer the i7-940 or i7-930 is a wasted of money. For ur requirements the best options for u is the i7-860 or i5-750 with an ASUS P7P55D-E Pro and 4GB(2x2GB). The CPU depends of ur budget, but since u don't need a pure gamer and OC CPU with both i7-860 and i5-750 are enough for ur needs.

Both 1156 and 1366 support DDR3, the difference is that the 1156 socket don't support tri-channel, the 1366 it does.

Now, for performance against the 775 u gain around 50%, because the LGA 775 don't support many features of the 1156 and 1366 socket.

Quote:
value excluded go for EVGA X58 4-way SLI classified lol


Since he don't want a pure gaming rig, that mobo is overkill for his needs.
May 21, 2010 2:04:59 PM

saint19 said:
If u aren't a gamer the i7-940 or i7-930 is a wasted of money. For ur requirements the best options for u is the i7-860 or i5-750 with an ASUS P7P55D-E Pro and 4GB(2x2GB). The CPU depends of ur budget, but since u don't need a pure gamer and OC CPU with both i7-860 and i5-750 are enough for ur needs.

Both 1156 and 1366 support DDR3, the difference is that the 1156 socket don't support tri-channel, the 1366 it does.

Now, for performance against the 775 u gain around 50%, because the LGA 775 don't support many features of the 1156 and 1366 socket.

Quote:
value excluded go for EVGA X58 4-way SLI classified lol


Since he don't want a pure gaming rig, that mobo is overkill for his needs.


I was just kidding about the evga classy 4-way sli,it's a $500 mobo that requires special case,so it's really expensive.
a c 302 V Motherboard
May 21, 2010 2:14:54 PM

^A $500 joke lol.
May 21, 2010 8:56:35 PM

#1 i am an undergraduate computer engineering student, so trust me there is many more things out there in the world that you need a fast computer for other than games. i do many other things that i need this computer to be fast for, so i do know what i am looking for, my only real issue is hitting the sweet spot in value, that is it.

#2 thxs for everyone's recommendations, i see most of you are recommending the Asus, but even at the end of that tom's hardware article, they recommend the gigabyte, and i even went trough the feature list and it seems that the Gigabyte actually has a few more features than the Asus... so i'm thinking i'll go with that one.

and i really don't know if i'll overclock since it'll mean that my computer will be running at it's maximum clock 100% of the time, and also it'll be wasting a lot of energy from the extra constant power overclocking requires, so i defenetly won't do that.
EDIT: i put the wrong CPU, the one i'm going for is actually the i7 930 which costs only $10 more than the 920 lol, my bad.
a c 302 V Motherboard
May 21, 2010 9:15:56 PM

^Ok.

#1 What other things?

#2 U u are right Gigabyte is a pure overclocker mobo but in price/performance/features the ASUS have a big distance from the others.
May 22, 2010 5:01:03 AM

#1 computer engineering applications such as xilinx, vhdl coding, using applications from the National Instruments suite, plus multitasking, and i usually have 10+ windows open, which can include anything from my e-mail, word documents, photoshop, publisher, xilinx chipscope pro analyzer, 2 or 3 browser windows with more than 5 tabs each, dreamweaver, Multisim, Xilinx ISE, Adobe Acrobat 9 pro, and not to mention my taskbar always has about 8-10 programs always running in the background (yes they are all necessary, like dropbox, avast, daemon tools, it's nothing stupid), plus i have 7 very essential windows 7 sidebar gadgets that are always running. when my computer is idle the CPU is permanently at a usage of +20% of its total processing power.

not to mention the fact i've been building computers for 5 years now, i can immediately tell the difference of how my system slowly loses speed compared to a clean windows 7 install... so yes, even with a Q9400, my computer does freeze some times, but even worse, it does tend to be slow at a few tasks...


#2 what features exactly does the asus have over the gigabyte? from the spreadsheet, the gigabyte seemed to have more perks...
a c 302 V Motherboard
May 22, 2010 2:41:08 PM

#1 Since u have daemon tools, I assume that not all ur programs are legal. Independent of that, all those programs can run much better in a GPU that with a CPU (CUDA or EVEFINITY). Why I know that?, well I'm eletrconic and telecomunications engineering plus MPC, MCTS and MCIT if u don't know that is that look for that in google.

#2 Experience in the market, more posibilities to choose, special editions (ROG) that can OC ur rig with another PC.
May 22, 2010 5:21:09 PM

#1 by your first statement i can tell you're probably just a "gamer" and you don't know what else to do than play warcraft or something like that. daemon tools is used to emulate a cd-rom, and run images off of it, obviously if you where a little bit more educated you'd realize there is many applications and useful purposes you could use it for. my current system does have a video card, it's an 8800GT, i don't need any better than that since i don't game. you actually don't need to be any of those to know that a computer runs faster with a gpu lol, seriously, go back to playing games.

i just came here for suggestions, if you don't have anything to say that will contribute to the topic please take your comments elsewhere.
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that's my current build right now, it comes out to about $967
a c 302 V Motherboard
May 23, 2010 2:20:28 AM

alfredox said:
#1 by your first statement i can tell you're probably just a "gamer" and you don't know what else to do than play warcraft or something like that. daemon tools is used to emulate a cd-rom, and run images off of it, obviously if you where a little bit more educated you'd realize there is many applications and useful purposes you could use it for. my current system does have a video card, it's an 8800GT, i don't need any better than that since i don't game. you actually don't need to be any of those to know that a computer runs faster with a gpu lol, seriously, go back to playing games.

i just came here for suggestions, if you don't have anything to say that will contribute to the topic please take your comments elsewhere.


Yeah I'm a gamer and overclocker and a gamer ALWAYS buy the game don't download it from Internet.

Now, can u tell to me what specific application needs daemon tools?, and refer to the "more educated" seems that u don't use google.

Finally, ur rig have some mistakes:

1- With $16 more u can the G.Skill PI series that is much better RAM.
2- Check the system requirements for ur GPU and maybe ur GPU can bottleneck ur CPU.
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