955 vs 965

[the shoe]

Im sure this has been asked before, but I havent found much with the search.
Im looking at either a 955 or a 965. Both are 125w and both have C3 stepping. Are they the same chip? If they were both OCed equally (same heat sync, voltage, multiplier..etc.) would they both reach the same clocks and be equally stable?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanx

 

[mfarrukh]

As the model number suggests
965 is better fo the most part

 

[Cryslayer80]

For the most part? Alright, if you can find me a single benchmark where 965 is not better or at least the same (excluding the ones with different motherboards and RAM tested) I will give you my house, all my money and after I've done that I will jump off the nearby bridge... 965 and 955 C3 are literally the same chips, except that 965 is clocked 0.2GHz higher so it is a little faster in everything overall. The point is, if you find 965 for a bargain price very similar to 955 you'll be better off buying that particular CPU, but if you don't then there's no reason to spend extra cash on 200MHz clock increase...

 

[mfarrukh]

I was taking about price

Dont get so angry

 

[Cryslayer80]

I'm not angry, I'm just overreacting a bit All in all, JK. Anyways, both are good CPUs, so read the above.

 

[the shoe]

I'm not angry, I'm just overreacting a bit All in all, JK. Anyways, both are good CPUs, so read the above.

Let me rephrase this a bit. If I overclock the 965 to theoretical maximum 3.8Ghz, would the maximum be 3.8 for the 955 with all settings being the same for both chips?
From what I've read the chips are identical except for a factory 200 megahertz OC over the 955. What Im getting at: If a guy is going to overclock wouldnt it make more sense just to get the cheaper 955?

 

[hundredislandsboy]

I've looked at both of these CPUs for my next build and I also plan to overclock. For $25 difference you get a better chance for a higher overclock by going with the 965.

But if you're looking for 24/7 stability and not maximum heat and maximum voltage which means around 3.6 to 3.8 Ghz, then save the $25 and go for the 955. Take the $25 you save and apply it to a very good CPU cooler such as this:


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065


COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus

 

[someguy7]

They are basically the same exact chip. One just has the multi higher.

As far as will they both reach the same clocks and all that stuff? That is it little more tricky. They generally will get to the same clock speeds. But you must keep in mind that no two chips are the same. You can have either two 965s or 955s and have the cpus have different max overclocks.

 

[Captain Salty]

I'm a little confused. if i bought a 955BE c3and a 965BE c3, i would find the Only difference was the multiplier setting?
so i can easily make the 955 as good as a 965? or as some seem to be suggesting, the 965 is better at higher OC'ing?

 

[loneninja]

I'm a little confused. if i bought a 955BE c3and a 965BE c3, i would find the Only difference was the multiplier setting?
so i can easily make the 955 as good as a 965? or as some seem to be suggesting, the 965 is better at higher OC'ing?

Only difference is the default multiplier and price tag when you buy it. Some will argue the 965 is binned higher than the 955, meaning they are higher quality and more likely to reach 4.0Ghz(about the limit of most Phenom II), but there is no concrete evidence. Truth is, there are a number of 4.0Ghz 955's out there, and a number of 965's that fail to reach 4.0Ghz.

 

[notty22]

I say the 965 is a higher binned chip. Sure depending on the m/b , 10 955's might o/c the same as 10 965's.
***But wait, why don't the 945's o/c as high, some might, but there are many not going over 3.4, why is that ? (945's are non-black)
OH BECAUSE THEY BIN THE CHIPS ! lol

 

[enzo matrix]

One big reason is because their non-black, try OC a 955 by BCLK only, youll barely get to 3.8Ghz.

C2 or C3?