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a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 5:53:27 AM

how is the system filled with water and then bleed of air, on these preassembled units, without some sort of contraption built and added to the systems loop in order to do so?

anyone please respond to this?

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a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 6:04:52 AM

Either my understanding of standard English is failing me or your question makes no sense.
April 12, 2012 7:47:52 AM

^^ Haha, it is very confusing xD
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a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 8:02:07 AM

constepatdyak said:
^^ Haha, it is very confusing xD


come on man do you know?

and could you define "xD"?
April 12, 2012 8:05:55 AM

How do preassembled watercooling kits able to bleed air bubbles without some sort of contraption inside that does this?

^^right?

a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 8:10:23 AM

constepatdyak said:
How do preassembled watercooling kits able to bleed air bubbles without some sort of contraption inside that does this?

^^right?


yes, you have my full attention
April 12, 2012 10:38:45 AM

How to fill and airbleed a prebuilt watercooler when it does not have a fill-port?

Are we talking completely closed loops like the Corsair H100? I wouldn't try to take those apart in the first place. They are full as you receive them in the first place, so generally filling them is not an issue.
If you are making some costum water cooling using one of those radiators, you will probably have to put an extra reservoir or a fill-port into the loop. Perhaps put a valve into the loop, and attach a hose to it when filling.
a c 76 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 12:06:35 PM

if toolmaker has been long enough on the net, he'll know that the corsair H series modding circle have been able to maintain the closed loop look and also not add any new hardware to the equation.

when the pump housing has been disassembled, there are a few points along the pump chamber that allows one to bleed the loop with a syringe and also add liquid/coolant in through the same hole.

in fact, if patient, you can pull this off with only a length of tubing and syringe. No rad needed and while the pump is running - remove air and add liquid to the loop. Soon enough you have a closed loop with the pump.

all this is doable, but not worth it IMP as you can add a valve - hide it out of sight

http://www.overclock.net/t/629298/mod-corsair-h50-with-..., principle same, just pump changes from antec-corsair-asetek

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=85534&mpage=1
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 1:03:06 PM

Lutfij said:
if toolmaker has been long enough on the net, he'll know that the corsair H series modding circle have been able to maintain the closed loop look and also not add any new hardware to the equation.

when the pump housing has been disassembled, there are a few points along the pump chamber that allows one to bleed the loop with a syringe and also add liquid/coolant in through the same hole.

in fact, if patient, you can pull this off with only a length of tubing and syringe. No rad needed and while the pump is running - remove air and add liquid to the loop. Soon enough you have a closed loop with the pump.

all this is doable, but not worth it IMP as you can add a valve - hide it out of sight

http://www.overclock.net/t/629298/mod-corsair-h50-with-..., principle same, just pump changes from antec-corsair-asetek

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=85534&mpage=1


thank you, I have been trying to understand this, it perplexed me. to thank that they would build them with no way to flush and refill. jest seems like bad advertizing not to tell there costumers that some modding may be required, and maybe oh I don't know. at least give a pamphlet with a idea of how to do it.
a c 324 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 1:14:28 PM

Corsair H-series coolers (and other LCS closed loop coolers) are designed to never be opened or serviced. This has not stopped a lot of people from doing so, but to answer your question, you are not meant to change the liquid or flush the loop.

I assume this is the question you are asking?
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 1:21:59 PM

rubix_1011 said:
Corsair H-series coolers (and other LCS closed loop coolers) are designed to never be opened or serviced. This has not stopped a lot of people from doing so, but to answer your question, you are not meant to change the liquid or flush the loop.

I assume this is the question you are asking?


yes a even better answer (so the company is saying that there coolant systems never needs to be changed) is that the reality of this situation there are no issues with the loops after about a year? or is this a oversight by the manufactures, to simply ignore a obvious problem with their products?
a c 324 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 1:48:43 PM

They are designed to be closed and no maintenance and include a glycol mixture since they typically are a mixed-metals loop.

They are really meant for 1-3 year use and likely discarded at the conclusion of their lifespan.
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 2:05:41 PM

rubix_1011 said:
They are designed to be closed and no maintenance and include a glycol mixture since they typically are a mixed-metals loop.

They are really meant for 1-3 year use and likely discarded at the conclusion of their lifespan.


so are you saying that you agree with this maximum 3 year life span idea. It doesn't seem that long when compared to a custom loop with a 20+ year life span possible? what I am asking is does this web site explain this somewhere before jest now?

thanks rubix_1011

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a c 324 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 2:16:40 PM
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Personally, I agree with it. You are comparing apples to grapefruit when it come to a custom loop vs. a closed loop cooler; the biggest difference being the power and longevity of the pump being used. Most custom loops, or even kit loops like XSPC or EK use pumps that are magnitudes more powerful than those used in LCS all-in-one coolers like the H-series, etc.

a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 2:24:18 PM

Best answer selected by toolmaker_03.
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 2:25:41 PM

rubix_1011 said:
Personally, I agree with it. You are comparing apples to grapefruit when it come to a custom loop vs. a closed loop cooler; the biggest difference being the power and longevity of the pump being used. Most custom loops, or even kit loops like XSPC or EK use pumps that are magnitudes more powerful than those used in LCS all-in-one coolers like the H-series, etc.


thank you for explaining it to me rubix

this really does help
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 2:43:21 PM

rubix_1011 said:
Personally, I agree with it. You are comparing apples to grapefruit when it come to a custom loop vs. a closed loop cooler; the biggest difference being the power and longevity of the pump being used. Most custom loops, or even kit loops like XSPC or EK use pumps that are magnitudes more powerful than those used in LCS all-in-one coolers like the H-series, etc.



1) is there a better way to ask you a question? your smart and I like that. :ouimaitre: 

2)give me a couple of months to calm down and I will get out of your hair. :evil: 

3)I'm still learning so please bear with me jest a little longer. :non: 
a c 76 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 2:45:00 PM

^ this should be added to the watercooling sticky, about the lifespan of a pump in those LCS'. Good work Rubix+toolamker!
April 12, 2012 2:51:31 PM

toolmaker_03 said:
1) is there a better way to ask you a question? your smart and I like that.

2)give me a couple of months to calm down and I will get out of your hair.

3)I'm still learning so please bear with me jest a little longer.


I know I had to read the question a couple of times to get the gist from the OP and the responses. I probably would have framed the question moer like this:

"I have some concerns regarding the longevity of closed loop manufactured watercooling systems, such as the H100 from Corsair. It seems to me that the fluid would need to be changed over time.

Is this the case?
How long can I expect the coolant in a sealed unit to last?
Do I have to change the coolant?
If so, how would I do it (fill and bleed thae system)."

a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 2:53:34 PM

Lutfij said:
^ this should be added to the watercooling sticky, about the lifespan of a pump in those LCS'. Good work Rubix+toolamker!


I'm glade that you agree, I value your opinion. :oh: 
a c 76 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 2:58:29 PM

^ thank you, i'm an owner of an H50 that i modded, though after that i went [:lutfij:2] and went into a full on custom loop design.

so now i know when to chuck the corsair in the trash.
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 3:00:16 PM

po1nted said:
I know I had to read the question a couple of times to get the gist from the OP and the responses. I probably would have framed the question moer like this:

"I have some concerns regarding the longevity of closed loop manufactured watercooling systems, such as the H100 from Corsair. It seems to me that the fluid would need to be changed over time.

Is this the case?
How long can I expect the coolant in a sealed unit to last?
Do I have to change the coolant?
If so, how would I do it (fill and bleed thae system)."


wow!!! your good at putting things into words, that is not my strong suit, could I get you to Write for me from now on? :) 
a c 76 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 3:04:25 PM

you mean write :) 
a c 324 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 3:04:34 PM

I tend to think that most LSC/closed loop coolers claim a longer MTBF than 1-3 years, but from most of what I've seen, this is a pretty accurate working lifespan from people actually using them, either due to actual life span, user error or simply changing hardware and going to a different cooler which is a tangent of likely upgrading to a new socket and not willing to purchase or wait on the appropriate adapter mount.
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 3:22:56 PM

Lutfij said:
you mean write :) 


see what I mean, not my strong suit!
a c 76 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 3:32:53 PM

well your not from sweeden now are you? we can still bring you upto speed mate :) 
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 3:41:34 PM

Lutfij said:
well your not from sweeden now are you? we can still bring you upto speed mate :) 


thanks, I jest noticed something, your avatar looks just like the symbol on my motherboard, and it's a crosshair II.
a c 76 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 3:46:56 PM

:)  an ROG fan and owner of 2 mobo's Rampage Extreme X48 and a Maximus III Formula. welcome to the ROG Club [:lutfij:4]
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 3:55:41 PM

Lutfij said:
:)  an ROG fan and owner of 2 mobo's Rampage Extreme X48 and a Maximus III Formula. welcome to the ROG Club [:lutfij:4]


what is "ROG" I'm not familiar with this term and I cant access the image but it's ok I can look at it later right. :heink: 
a c 324 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 3:56:51 PM

Republic of Gamers, I believe.
a c 76 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 4:00:09 PM

the image is an emoticon (emotional icon) which needs to be approved by the moderators :)  , and yeah if you check back here you'll see it pop, provided its approved.

Rubix has answered the ROG question :)  thanks rubix mate.
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 4:27:26 PM

Lutfij said:
the image is an emoticon (emotional icon) which needs to be approved by the moderators :)  , and yeah if you check back here you'll see it pop, provided its approved.

Rubix has answered the ROG question :)  thanks rubix mate.


ok so I don't think that the system is quite up to that level yet
HAVE IN WILL GET MABEY
AMD 6000+ 3.0 GHz / AMD FX-62
8800 GT ultra card / second card
800MHz OCZ flex water cooled / Samsung ECC memory
500 GIG HDD / Seagate 830 SSD HHD
any suggestions/changes would be appreciated. i will over clock this system!!
oh YEA!!
:hot: 
a c 76 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 4:40:17 PM

^ i wouldn't upgrade anything in that machine, i'd overhaul everything in it and salvage the HDD, but on a temporary basis long enough until i could manage a hdd/ssd
a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 4:53:33 PM

Lutfij said:
^ i wouldn't upgrade anything in that machine, i'd overhaul everything in it and salvage the HDD, but on a temporary basis long enough until i could manage a hdd/ssd


I can't afford to build a new machine!! but building old ones is cheap. (ebay,cregslist,and blow out sales)
that is where it's at for me, it may be old, but it's not knocked out.(kind of like me)
I try to put the best possible parts into my builds for the purpose of over clocking it, so if you have any good ideas for the type of hardware on this platform that would go together nicely that would help. otherwise I will be searching through old threads to find the answers I seek about this topic. :chaudar: 
a c 324 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 5:19:18 PM

I have some older hardware for sale (linked below)...nothing you are interested in?
a c 76 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 5:43:42 PM

^ yeah i was just about to mention the stuff rubix has.

:) 
a c 324 K Overclocking
April 12, 2012 5:45:48 PM

I'd actually keep the Core2 box I'm selling, but it isn't mine- it's my brother in law's; although I picked the parts and built it. He just moved on to a Mac for video editing.
!