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November 19, 2009 2:55:37 AM

ok so I would like to build a new system for running CAD and Rivet. Also I would like to have good but this is second gaming preformice, but this is second.

I have a 1000 or so for the project.

this is what I came up with. . .

asus M4A78T-E motherboard

AMD phenom II X 4 965 black edition

Patriot PV23 4G 1333 LLK (X 2) = 8G of ram

westen digital 1TB hard drive

Asus Radeon HD 5750

Apevia ATX - WA 750w power

Asus vw 246h 24" monitor

what do you think? what about one good video card vs. two cheaper ones?

thanks for the help
a b 4 Gaming
November 19, 2009 10:07:30 AM

Way too CPU heavy and GPU lite - Denebs even with locked multi OC fine so if i had to cut corners in order to generate more frames in games:

P2X4 925
770/785G mobo
HD 5850 (ideal) else the HD 4890
Earthwatts 650 for non CF set up
Antec 300
yada yada
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a b 4 Gaming
November 19, 2009 10:13:26 AM

^ Well as the gaming comes second, I feel the X4 955, 965 and the i5 are better options...
And that 5750 would have performance comparable to the HD 4850 + DirectX 11...Maybe the HD 5770 would be a good choice...
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November 19, 2009 6:23:53 PM

thanks for the input it is very much appreciated.

First a few thing that I need that where not in my first post. I would like to watch blue ray on it ( as we have no HDTV in our home ). Also I would like to run 2 monitors for my 3D modeling work - AutoCAD Rivet etc. . .

I would like to have the option of running Supreme commander on two Monitors, but this is second.

I will ditch the Apevia 750W PS, thanks for the tip gkay09. I would like to get a PS that can do X-fire or SLI as I may upgrade next year.

I have read the AutoCAD dose not benefit very much from gaming cards but dose best with workstation cards ( out of the price range ). I think that it is your ram and CPU that influence performance. ( the machines at the university have an intel core duo, 3.25 ram, and Quadro NVS 290 video card with 256MB of memory once my CAD files git up around 40MB the thing stops working and show sings of stress well before) I looked at the cards suggested, and I seems like the HD 5770 might be the most bang for the buck.

CPU - so gkay09 you are suggesting that I go with a AMD Phenom X4 965 not a Phenom II and then OC it?

also what about using DDR2 ram instead of DDR3 to keep the cost down?

Generally speaking I'm thinking that to get the most for my dollar I should be getting ATI cards and not nvidia. And ADM not intel Is this right?

ok so what about this:

asus M4A78-E motherboard $109
AMD Phenom x4 9650 $109
patriot 2048MB DDR2 1066MHz X 4 = 8G ram $214
XFX Radeon HD 5770 $177
Corsair TX 750W $110
Monitor 24" $220
windows 7 upgrade 64 bit $200
case $40
hard drive $85
blue ray/DVD drive $75

total cost $1339

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November 19, 2009 6:37:26 PM

8 GB of RAM is overkill.

I run AutoCAD on my work Laptop: 2 GB RAM, Quadro NVS 140, and it runs well at 1280 x 800 even with reasonably large files.

-4 GB of RAM should be enough, and would do more good to have quality DDR3 RAM with tighter timings and good voltage. I know I've seen AutoCAD stretch my 2GB a few times, but with the budget you're looking at I wouldn't blow another $100 on RAM. 4 GB should be sufficient.
-You can just buy the OEM version of Windows 7 if this is for home use. $105 gets the Home Premium version.
-You can shave off $60 by going for a slightly smaller monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009157 (Same Resolution)
-The i5 or the Phenom II x4 955 (what gkay recommended) is a solid choice for you.
-750W is an awful lot for that build, you could get by with less.
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November 19, 2009 6:41:53 PM

Oh yes what nofun said, 750 is alot, you can drop down to a Corsair 450w if you don't plan on crossfire 650w Corsair if you want to leave that option open.
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November 19, 2009 6:43:55 PM

The 550W OCZ Fatal1ty also has a nice mail-in Rebate offer right now. It works out to about $40 after the rebate.
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November 19, 2009 8:28:46 PM

ok so too much power thanks. corsair 650w I will change that in the plan.

as for not needing the ram I would have to disagree. just talked to one of my professors and the school is going to 8G on all of the machines that use Autodesk software. Also I have crashed CAD on the university machines many times, as soon as my files start to get big the problems start. and right now my pc at home dose not do well with my 10MB rivet file (it has only 2G of ram).

so can I make a machine with 8G of ram a decent processor and will let me play blue ray on it for around $1000.

I do have a cheep nivida card I guess I could go with an SLI board with hybrid graphics and nivida graphic boost and not get a new card, but would this mean the end of my blue ray dream? also maybe the end of two monitors as well?

maybe I should upgrade my xp home 32 bit to xp pro 64 instead of window 7?

thanks for the help
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November 20, 2009 2:14:40 AM

^ 1. 8GB is not an overkill for your needs...more the RAM, the better...
2. Go with 64-bit OS if you want your OS to recognize the full 8 GB
3. What Nvidia graphics you have ? The board has ATI
4. X4 9650 ? I would rather get the X3 720 instead of that...That Phenom is an old gen...
5. You can save on the mobo - Go with the Gigabyte 770 UD3P...SO with the money saved, get Phenom II X4 CPUs...
6. Even I doubt you would need 650-700W...If you will be sticking with a single card, then get the OCZ 550...Comes to nearly $40 after rebates...
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November 20, 2009 7:26:52 PM

thanks for the response gkay09

1. the 8GB of ram I will keep
2. I know that I need a new OS and I guess that windows 7 would be the way to go, I was thinking that xp pro 64 bit would also be an option right now I have xp home 32 bit.
3. the nvidia card is a MSI NX8500GT - I was thinking that if I put it on a motherboard with Hybrid power and nvidia's GeFocre boost it may be enough graphics power, is this just a bad idea? something like the asus MAN78 pro or maybe I could get a an SLI board like the MSI NF750 - G55 and pick up a second cheep nvidia card. when you build a SLI system do the cards have to be the same or can you run any two nvidia SLI compatible cards? obviously if I could use the card and not have to buy a new $200 or so card it would help hold the price down.
4. I'm a bit confused on the processor support for the boards if it is AM3 socket will this support all AMD Phenom II X4 CPUs? but AM2+ also supports some Phenom II CPUs?
5. system made on the gigabyte 770 UD3P. . .

Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P $89
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Quad Core CPU $175
OCZ PC3-12800 Gold RAM - 4GB, 2x2GB, 1600MHz, DDR3, Low Voltage, Dual Channel x 2 $206
XFX Radeon HD 5770 Video Card - 1GB GDDR5 $180
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V $40 (thanks nofun and gkay09)
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" $85(thanks Sonic-Boom)
Lite-On IHOS104 Blu Ray ROM - BD-ROM 4X $70
IKONIK Taran A30 IC-T3DBC Black 0.5mm SECC / ABS / Aluminum ATX Mid Tower $40
Asus vw 246h 24" monitor $220

total cost $1105 before new OS


thanks for the help everyone
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a b 4 Gaming
November 21, 2009 5:01:50 AM

^Nvidia chipets for AMD CPUs are not that good as the chipsets from AMD itself...
And just found this combo - Though would come to $20 more, but you get a faster CPU + better mobo with Crossfire support...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

And change to this PSU - This can support HD 5770 crossfire if you later on plan for that...And this costs nearly the same...
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W
10% off w/ promo code CZ11, ends 11/25
$74.99
($49.99 after $25.00 Mail-In Rebate Card )
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 21, 2009 5:14:34 PM

right that dose look like a good deal. I think that I'm close to ordering parts.

thanks for the help gkay09!!
if you have any other thought please let me know; it may be several days tell I get it together to order.

thanks to everyone who posted.
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