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November 25, 2009 4:38:06 PM

Hey all ...


I hope u can all help me ...


I am upgrading my pc and have bought all parts except my final part ... my GFX card ...


I have :
GA-G31-ES2L
2gb DDRII 1066mhz
My old 450w psu until I get my 1200w that is in the pipeline ...



My problem is this : I can get three gfx cards all for the same price ...

Msi 9800GT <http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1...;

Leadtek Winfast 9800GT <http://www.leadtek.com/eng/3d_graphic/specification.asp...;


and finally ...


Sparkle 250GTS <http://www.sparkle.com.tw/product_detail.asp?id=97&sub_...;



Now they will all cost me ... R1400 <zar> ... which is like ... uhm ... $188 <usd> ...


How good is sparkle ... I have heard many great and terrible things said about them ... most terrible things coming from their cooling on the older cards and not the cards themselves ...

And if the 250GTS is good ... will it work on my 450w psu until i can get my new one ???


Thank You all in advance ...

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a c 1410 U Graphics card
November 25, 2009 5:17:16 PM

Out of those the 250gts is the best card, I have no expirience with Sparkle. If your PSU is reasonable quality you should be OK.
a b U Graphics card
November 25, 2009 5:19:55 PM

What's R1400? What money is that?
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November 25, 2009 5:54:13 PM

The R1400 is Rand ... Its South African currency ... ... Its equal to ... $188 us dollars ...


Thanks 4 the advice rolli59 ...


Has anyone got experience with sparkle and does anyone know the GTS250's power requirements
a c 191 U Graphics card
November 25, 2009 6:34:46 PM

Of the three, the GTS250 is the best option.
Check that the PSU has the correct connectors, some GTS250 cards need two PCI-E connectors and if your PSU lacks both you may have problems using molex/PCI-E adaptors if the PSU also has a limited number of spare molex plugs.
I have no idea how good/bad/ugly the customer support is in South Africa, perhaps a fellow citizen reading this might chip in with some helpful advice?
Otherwise give them a call with a made-up fault and see how they deal with it;)
November 25, 2009 7:04:03 PM

@ rolli59 : I definately have a 450w ... but my problem is that my PSU doesnt have a sticker ... is there a way I can test the amps ... like using software ??


@ coozie7 : Customer support ... whahahahaha ... what the hell is that ... lmfao !! ... ... I will try your theory and give them a fake problem and see how things go ... ...

I am running 5 system fans and 2 in the psu and 1 processor + 1 nothbridge + aftermarket gpu cooling ... so molex sonnectors are far and few ... lmfao ... ... but I will look into that asap ... thank you !!
a c 1410 U Graphics card
November 25, 2009 9:50:09 PM

Emissary Of Pain said:
@ rolli59 : I definately have a 450w ... but my problem is that my PSU doesnt have a sticker ... is there a way I can test the amps ... like using software ??


@ coozie7 : Customer support ... whahahahaha ... what the hell is that ... lmfao !! ... ... I will try your theory and give them a fake problem and see how things go ... ...

I am running 5 system fans and 2 in the psu and 1 processor + 1 nothbridge + aftermarket gpu cooling ... so molex sonnectors are far and few ... lmfao ... ... but I will look into that asap ... thank you !!


You have a brand name and type of the PSU?
Have you taken it out of the case to see if the sticker is hidden?
a c 259 U Graphics card
November 25, 2009 10:15:35 PM

In no way what so ever do you even come close to needing a 1200w power supply.

A good QUALITY 450w will be fine for your system. I recommend Corsair.

Do not buy some generic 1200w power supply and think its good because of the big number. Power supplys are more about amps than watts. The one place you do not want to go "cheap' is the power supply....it can die and take other parts with it.

A GTS250 is basically a rebadged 9800GTX+ but as stated above is the best of the 3 you listed.

If your PSU does not have a sticker or some sort of name brand on it odds are its junk and to be avoided.
November 26, 2009 3:40:43 AM

My psu had a sticker ... it was branded after the company that was selling it ... like their own range if that makes sense ... And it doesnt have a sticker on the psu ... the box clearly stated Wattage but not the amps ...

The 1200w is a thermaltake roughpower ... ... I know it is overkill but it would have been nice if I can get my hands on it ...

Is there anyway 2 check the amps on my 12v rail ?? ...

What do you think of the 500w sparta ?? ... And does anyone know the power rating needed 4 a GTS250 ??

Thanks so much 4 the info guys !!!
a c 259 U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 4:04:46 AM

Really no way to check without knowing the make/model of the PSU.

Is this the 500w Sparta? http://www.eaglelion.com.tw/product_info.php?products_i... to be honest with you it looks like junk.

The GTS250 specs are posted above by rolli59 .....450w with 24a 12v rail.

You want something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... I know you can not order from here.

Use this as a guide and stay with tier 3 and up and you will be fine http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
November 26, 2009 4:13:50 AM

Yeah that was the 1 I am talking about ... those other psu's are just out of my budget and I wont ever get the chance 2 get this gfx card again ... ... oh the woes ... ... I will look around 4 a new psu ...

thanks 4 all !!
November 26, 2009 5:48:42 AM

Hey all ... I have this psu as an option ...

I know it says 400w ... but it has a 30a 12v rail ... will it work ??

Hey all ... I have this psu as an option ... I know it says 400w ... but it has a 30a 12v rail ... will it work ??




Once again thanks 4 all your input
November 26, 2009 5:54:59 AM

just some extra info 2 help with the question above :

Corsair CX400W Specifications: Model CMPSU-400CX
AC INPUT 90-264V ~ 5-9A ~ 47-63Hz
DC OUTPUT +3.3V +5V +12V -12V +5Vsb
MAX CURRENT 20A 20A 30A 0.8A 2.5A
MAX COMBINED WATTAGE 130W 360W 9.6W 12.5W
Total Power: 400W


Corsair VX450W Specifications: Model CMPSU-450VX
AC Input Rating 90 - 264VAC
DC Output +3.3V +5V +12V -12V +5VSB
Max Load 20A 20A 33A 0.8A 2.5A
Max Output 130W 396W 9.6W 12.5W
TOTAL POWER: 450W



There is almost no difference between them so can i take the 400w
a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 6:02:42 AM

Emissary Of Pain said:
Yeah that was the 1 I am talking about ... those other psu's are just out of my budget and I wont ever get the chance 2 get this gfx card again ... ... oh the woes ... ... I will look around 4 a new psu ...

thanks 4 all !!



I wouldn't sweat it. If you wait after Christmas, lots of online retailers and local stores will have "open box" sales of videocards that still have a warranty. Even if you don't buy an open box item (I purchased three videocards this way early this year and all 3 are still good) if you've followed the pricing schemes of videocards for a few years you know that about every 4 to 6 months, they lower in price anywhere from 10 to 25%. Besides, the GTS 250 is an entry level gaming card and already getting "old:. Buy a similiarly priced ATI Dx 10 card for better value.
November 26, 2009 6:11:14 AM

I am actually hoping 2 have this pc by xmas ... but will see what happens ... I know the GTS250 is an entry level gaming card ... but it will handle my games perfectly ... I dont need everythin maxed out in games but i would like 2 play the new games ... if that makes sense ... and its way better than my 7600GT and the 9800GT i was plannin on gettin ...

@HundredIslandsBoy : Do u have an opinion on the PSU's I posted ??
a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 9:10:11 AM

What CPU do you have?
Go with the 450 watt or 550 watt if it's only 20 dollars more.

Wow your hardware prices there are 20% higher than the US. Don't you guys have eBay or ads in the paper for used parts?
a c 1410 U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 2:31:33 PM

Here is what I would do Buy the GTS250 try it with the current psu. If it doesn't work buy the corsair psu, the 400 will run it but 450 would be better with more headroom.
a c 259 U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 4:41:23 PM

Get the 450w Corsair. As stated above it will leave you some headroom for things like adding extra drives and overclocking.
November 26, 2009 4:47:58 PM

While Sparkle wouldn't be my preferred brand, they're alright. I'm actually seriously considering one of their cards myself.

The GTS 250 will only require 1 6-pin PCI-e connector, which your power-supply should have unless it's quite old. It's a great card, it won't play the newest games at max settings, but you can easily expect medium-high settings on anything you throw at it that's out currently. My sister has one and it's a great card for the price.

Essentially, a GTS 250 is a re-badged 9800GTX+ (maybe slightly faster). The 9800GTX+ is a slightly faster version of the 9800GTX, which is a step up from the 9800GT. No question between the three cards you listed on which one to get.
November 27, 2009 4:30:03 AM

Quote:
What CPU do you have?
Go with the 450 watt or 550 watt if it's only 20 dollars more.

Wow your hardware prices there are 20% higher than the US. Don't you guys have eBay or ads in the paper for used parts?



I will be getting a e8500 ... ... I will look into the 400w which will cost me R670 <91 US dollars> ... the 450 is crazy at R860 <117 US dollars> ... ... and 50w\3A increase for R190 <26 US dollars> sounds like a major rip off and I cant afford that in my current state ... ... this is supposed 2 be a budget upgrade ... lol ...

20% more ... when on special ... the GTS250 is normally R2 100 ... about 285 US dollars !!! and it is Biostar ... not even some great brand ...


I will definately be getting the GTS250 ... the rest of my upgrade will work around it ... lol
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