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February 3, 2010 5:05:31 PM

Hello,
I'm considering an I7-860 vs i7-920. I'm not a gamer. This pc will be used for basic tasks, email, MS office programs. I do have 3gigs of music and want to rip my entire CD and Album library. I also have lots of pics and some video that I manipulate from time to time...I'd like to not purchase a new computer for the next 3-4 years. With that said... which will give me the best performance and longevity. There's only a 65$ difference in price, but that is half my tax.

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February 3, 2010 5:12:27 PM

they both sound like overkill for what you've listed.

An i5-750 will suit you just fine at a fraction of the price.
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February 3, 2010 5:17:15 PM

The systems are coming with 8gb of Ram, 1TB Hard drive, and 1GB video card. Do I really need 1GB video card since I'm not gaming? and the 8gb Ram - I figure would be good.
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February 3, 2010 5:40:04 PM

Both platforms P55, and X58 are fine. If you don't plan on overclocking go with the P55 (i7 860 or i5 750), they will be a little faster or just as fast for less money, with less heat, and consume less energy.

If you want a more detailed comparison you need to find out each component before we can help you with the best box value. But just looking at the processor and price differences, you won't go wrong with any of those.

You don't need a 1GB video card, but the price difference between a 500MB and a 1GB VGA card is less than $20 when that option is available. You need to find out what model the video card is. Its all about the video card model, not how much memory it comes with. You don't need to spend more than $99, but you will need one.
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February 3, 2010 5:52:42 PM

Thanks for the responses...

The video card on all three systems is 1GB ATI radeon HD 4650, I have the option to get an NVidia and other ones, but does it make much difference if I'm a non gamer?

For the I7-920 says 2.66ghz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 Cache, 8GB DDR3-1066mhz SDRAM (4 dimms)
For the I7-860 says 2.8ghz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache, 8GB DDR3-1333mhz Sdram 4 dimms

For the i5-750 2.66GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache, 8GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]

1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
1GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]

Choice of:
LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
Blu-ray player & Lightscribe SuperMulti DVD burner
Blu-ray writer & Lightscribe SuperMulti DVD burner

Since I don't watch movies on my computer... just non consumer video & Recording editing and Picture manipulation, I'm thinking I can just go with the lightscribe and not blu-ray.
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February 3, 2010 5:59:05 PM

majestye said:
The systems are coming with 8gb of Ram, 1TB Hard drive, and 1GB video card. Do I really need 1GB video card since I'm not gaming? and the 8gb Ram - I figure would be good.


for what your doing, no you would not need a 1gb card as almost everything you'll be doing will be using the cpu than the gpu. If the average X58 and P55 motherboards had integrated graphics, i would just recommend using that instead.

Also, 8 GB of ram is very large. Even todays gaming computer normally only have 4GB to 6GB of ram. (depending on set up.)




Although, if your wanting to save some money and have a powerful enough system down the road to fit your needs.

i would recommend an AMD Athlon II x4 (620 or above) or a phenom II x4 (945 or above) , 4GB ram, a low end gpu or integrated graphics, and a 500+GB HDD. This should suit you need quite well.

Something like this computer specs is what im talking about.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 3, 2010 6:13:43 PM

warmon6 said:
for what your doing, no you would not need a 1gb card as almost everything you'll be doing will be using the cpu than the gpu. If the average X58 and P55 motherboards had integrated graphics, i would just recommend using that instead.

Also, 8 GB of ram is very large. Even todays gaming computer normally only have 4GB to 6GB of ram. (depending on set up.)

Although, if your wanting to save some money and have a powerful enough system down the road to fit your needs.

i would recommend an AMD Athlon II x4 (620 or above) or a phenom II x4 (945 or above) , 4GB ram, a low end gpu or integrated graphics, and a 500+GB HDD. This should suit you need quite well.

Something like this computer specs is what im talking about.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


THANKS! this helps quite a bit. I usually want to get the best and probably end up with overkill. This gives me an idea of where to start and it's much less than the $1400 I thought I'd have to spend.
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February 3, 2010 6:17:26 PM

Don't let the video memory mislead you. the 4650 is not a very strong card, its only worth about $60 on its own. Its good for hi def movies and some light gaming. The video memory does not tell you if its a good or bad card, alot of vendors will put 1GB of memory on a bad video card to make it sound better than it is since ram is cheap.

So for what you described a 4650 is not necessary, but its not overkill either. I would focus on deciding what the right processor and ram are for your needs.

I agree that the i5-750 would be best for your needs, I would only consider going upto an i7 if you were running some heavily multithreaded apps. So unless your really serious about video editing and rendering I would stick with the i5.
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February 3, 2010 6:47:30 PM

scudst0rm said:
So for what you described a 4650 is not necessary, but its not overkill either. I would focus on deciding what the right processor and ram are for your needs.

I agree that the i5-750 would be best for your needs, I would only consider going upto an i7 if you were running some heavily multithreaded apps. So unless your really serious about video editing and rendering I would stick with the i5.


Ok so sounds like i5-750, 6GB Ram, 1TB HD, and upgrading to 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 220?

Last question: it was recommended to go with an AMD 620 or Phenom II 945 +, Is there any major difference as to choosing Intel over AMD? The AMD systems are coming in about $150 - $200 less, so I want to consider them only if they provide comparable performance (for what I do).

Also, HP or ZT Affinity? Am I paying more for the HP name and reputation or is ZT Affinity an ok option? My last desktop was built by a computer guy, so does it really make a difference?
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February 3, 2010 9:43:53 PM

6GB of ram?...i don't think there is dual channeled 6GB, sticks come in 1,2,4GB sticks
-for your needs i would go with the cheaper amd, you don't really do anything on your computer so a cheap amd would be fine along with 3-4GB of ram.
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February 3, 2010 10:17:54 PM

possibley 2x2gigs and 2x1gigs by the way st220 is probably renamed 9400/9500gt
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February 3, 2010 10:18:49 PM

my bad gt220=9400/9500gt
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February 3, 2010 10:19:50 PM

i thnk 4670 is better tha gt 220
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February 3, 2010 10:34:10 PM

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I'd just buy the 920 system for future processors ala Gulftown

Considering his stated usage needs, I doubt he would be making that upgrade.
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February 3, 2010 10:59:03 PM

majestye said:
Thanks for the responses...

The video card on all three systems is 1GB ATI radeon HD 4650, I have the option to get an NVidia and other ones, but does it make much difference if I'm a non gamer?

For the I7-920 says 2.66ghz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 Cache, 8GB DDR3-1066mhz SDRAM (4 dimms)
For the I7-860 says 2.8ghz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache, 8GB DDR3-1333mhz Sdram 4 dimms

For the i5-750 2.66GHz, 1MB L2 + 8MB shared L3 cache, 8GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]

1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
1GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]

Choice of:
LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
Blu-ray player & Lightscribe SuperMulti DVD burner
Blu-ray writer & Lightscribe SuperMulti DVD burner

Since I don't watch movies on my computer... just non consumer video & Recording editing and Picture manipulation, I'm thinking I can just go with the lightscribe and not blu-ray.


As others have said, a video card ain't super duper powerful just coz it has 1 gig of Ram in it.

I would also probably would not want to go less than a 4670 videocard, and a i5-750 should be more than you need, so no point in paying extra for the i7-860.

If the pricing wasn't so crazy right now, I would get a 2 TB Western Digital Caviar Black drive(looks like the fastest non-SSD hard drive on the market), and unless you can get one at a reasonable price, I would instead go with the Western Digital 1 TB Caviar Black Drive.
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February 3, 2010 11:05:06 PM

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Ofcourse right now he doesn't need them but that could always change. Knowing i could always go to a sexcore :)  would be a great thing.

The reason why I made a conscious decision to go 1156 instead of 1366, was becausing I just couldn't see myself upgrading the CPU within 2 years and buying just so you can update your CPU, has upfront costs I wanted to avoid since I never thought I would do that.

By the time a lot of people would feel the need to update their CPU, they would be better off buying the latest and greatest platform of the day in my view.
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February 3, 2010 11:05:29 PM

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I'd just buy the 920 system for future processors ala Gulftown


Just because the the Hexacored cpu's will be for the same socket does not mean his motherboard will support the CPU itself and when it comes out it will over the 1K range...will he be able to afford it?
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February 3, 2010 11:59:32 PM

give me some links buddy...
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February 4, 2010 12:56:52 AM

majestye said:
Hello,
I'm considering an I7-860 vs i7-920. I'm not a gamer. This pc will be used for basic tasks, email, MS office programs. I do have 3gigs of music and want to rip my entire CD and Album library. I also have lots of pics and some video that I manipulate from time to time...I'd like to not purchase a new computer for the next 3-4 years. With that said... which will give me the best performance and longevity. There's only a 65$ difference in price, but that is half my tax.


get i3, i5, or Pentium Dual-Core.

Unless socket lga775 isn't an option.

Pentium Dual core is great for those uses, and a tiny fraction of the price.
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February 4, 2010 12:59:53 AM

majestye said:
The systems are coming with 8gb of Ram, 1TB Hard drive, and 1GB video card. Do I really need 1GB video card since I'm not gaming? and the 8gb Ram - I figure would be good.


My pc is a full-blown high performance PC and it never uses more than about 2GB ram. I have 6gb. You probably only need 4GB.
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February 4, 2010 1:01:08 AM

I built a great mainstream PC that is impossible to hear it's so quiet, and its only about $700... WITH TAX!
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February 4, 2010 1:33:16 AM

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There's going to be a 2.6Ghz Xeon hex in the 600 dollar range but shhhhhh :) 


blackhawk1928 said:
give me some links buddy...


There going to be the core i7 970 (6 core cpu) in 3Q of this year thats going to be in that price range.

As for links. i'll proved 1 link but these many others can be quickly found at google. links have been exploding for the past few days about the new i7.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/18405
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February 4, 2010 1:47:37 AM

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I think he wanted links to the Xeon's....


Xeon X5680 3333 MHz 6 x 256 KB 12 MB 2 x ??? GT/s QPI 25x 3 x DDR3-1333 130 W LGA 1366 March 16, 2010
Xeon X5670 2933 MHz 6 x 256 KB 12 MB 2 x ??? GT/s QPI 22x 3 x DDR3-1333 95 W LGA 1366 March 16, 2010
Xeon X5660 2800 MHz 6 x 256 KB 12 MB 2 x ??? GT/s QPI 21x 3 x DDR3-1333 95 W LGA 1366 March 16, 2010
Xeon X5650 2667 MHz 6 x 256 KB 12 MB 2 x ??? GT/s QPI 20x 3 x DDR3-1333 95 W LGA 1366 March 16, 2010


I know. it just if he ask for link on the core i7 970 i have them coved as well.
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February 4, 2010 2:09:15 AM

seriously guys? hes going to check email, listen to music and burn cds and dvds. why would he need anything more than a dual core. the pentium G6950 would be more than plenty. 4 gigs of ram would be plenty and he wouldnt not have to upgrade. as for a video card, the onboard video of the pentium would be plenty.
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February 4, 2010 2:18:41 AM

pentium E5xxx, I mean, not G6950

Pentium E5200 is $70 and 2.5GHz. Great mainstream. Why not?
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February 4, 2010 2:25:37 AM

majestye said:
Hello,
I'm considering an I7-860 vs i7-920. I'm not a gamer. This pc will be used for basic tasks, email, MS office programs. I do have 3gigs of music and want to rip my entire CD and Album library. I also have lots of pics and some video that I manipulate from time to time...I'd like to not purchase a new computer for the next 3-4 years. With that said... which will give me the best performance and longevity. There's only a 65$ difference in price, but that is half my tax.


I just built an i7-860 for a friend, with a GA-P55-UD3R motherboard and some corsair memory (DDR3, 1333, 1.5v----make sure you match that voltage to the motherboard spec!), and Western Digital 1TB Black (buy the OEM... you get a nice fat warantee that way!)

Now, I'm 100% jealous and will likely make a clone for myself!!!!

Good luck!
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February 4, 2010 2:27:04 AM

I totally agree. A quad is overkill for just browsing the internet. For your usage needs, what the two above posters recommended would suit you just fine.
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February 4, 2010 2:28:37 AM

I just have a question. Why do you want a i7 if you don't be a gamer?, buy a C2Q or a Phenom.
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February 4, 2010 2:43:08 AM

ewood said:
seriously guys? hes going to check email, listen to music and burn cds and dvds. why would he need anything more than a dual core. the pentium G6950 would be more than plenty. 4 gigs of ram would be plenty and he wouldnt not have to upgrade. as for a video card, the onboard video of the pentium would be plenty.


jrocks84 said:
I totally agree. A quad is overkill for just browsing the internet. For your usage needs, what the two above posters recommended would suit you just fine.


The only reason why some of us recommend quads 2 of the requirements has says,

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I also have lots of pics and some video that I manipulate from time to time...I'd like to not purchase a new computer for the next 3-4 years.


A quad would actually fit his needs.

Now in my personal option, athlon II x4 would suit his needs and be the best price to power ratio.
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February 4, 2010 2:46:57 AM

warmon6 said:
The only reason why some of us recommend quads 2 of the requirements has says,

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I also have lots of pics and some video that I manipulate from time to time...I'd like to not purchase a new computer for the next 3-4 years.


A quad would actually fit his needs.

Now in my personal option, athlon II x4 would suit his needs and be the best price to power ratio.


+1, like I said in my previous post. The i7 is a wasted of money if he don't want use it for gaming.
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February 4, 2010 2:48:14 AM

I forgot about the Athlon II x4. That would probably be ideal.
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February 4, 2010 2:51:06 AM

saint19 said:
+1, like I said in my previous post. The i7 is a wasted of money if he don't want use it for gaming.


+1

Agree,

even then the core i7 is overkill for gaming.

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February 4, 2010 3:40:52 PM

Ok, so I'm hearing that I don't necessarily need an i7, and that AMD is good, but I need to make a choice today, so if you could help me choose between the below systems, I would appreciate the assistance.

Remember I'm not a gamer, and I will use it for basic tasks, email, MS office programs, music and recording editing (nothing commerical, just personal) and creating videos from vacation pictures. I do have 3gigs of music and want to rip my entire CD and Album library. I want it to last for the next 3-4 years, and want the best performance and longevity... Here are my options:

1) HP Intel Core 2 Quad Processor 2.5GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 1333MHZ front side bus, 8GB Ram, !TB SATA 3gb/s hard drive, integrated graphics - $899.99

2) ZT Affinity: Phenom II X4 955, 3.2Ghz, AMD 760G/SB710 chipset, 8GB Ram, 1.5TB 7200rpm SATA Hard drive, Integrated ATI Radeon HD 3000 graphics - $699.99

3) HP: MD Athlon x4 620 2.6ghz, 6GB Ram, 640 GB hard Drive, 512MB ATI Radeon HD 4350 Graphics $699.99

4) HP: i7-860 2.8Ghz, 8mb Cache, 8GB ram, 1TB hard drive, 1GB Ati Radeon 4650 graphics, $1199.99

By the way, I'm a she, not a he. :ange: 
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February 4, 2010 4:22:57 PM

Hi again.

1- Is a good option, but let's see the other and take a chooise.

2- The X4 955 is for gaming (I have one), so, i think that you don't need this power.

3- IMO the best option for you, quad core, but I think that the memory is wrong.

4- Like the X4 955, you don't need all this power.

So, IMO you would get the Athlon X4 620.

P.D. Sorry for my english, isn't my native langauge.
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February 4, 2010 4:43:22 PM

Thanks for your feedback! Helps clear up the confusion! Option 2 - actually does say 6GB DDR3-1066Mhz SDRAM (4 dimms). My followup question would be.. if Option 2 and 3 cost the same, shouldn't I get the most power for my money? Unless you're factoring in the manufacturers and choosing HP over ZT...
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February 4, 2010 4:50:38 PM

^Yea, the manufacturer isn't good (IMO) HP is HP, also, the option 3 have a more powerfull GPU (4350 against the 3000 of the option 2).

Can you post the link of the option 2 and option 3?
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February 4, 2010 5:00:17 PM

Here's the link for option 2: http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=115049...|84&N=4001486&Mo=1355&No=0&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&cat=84&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

Link for option 3: http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=114957...|84|56671&N=4017755 4294967277&Mo=12&No=7&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

I like option 3 as well but I'm concerned about the 640GB hard drive... Wondering if it will be large enough. I have a 300 GB drive in my computer now that I added two or three years ago and am thinking I could install it (have it installed) into the new computer for more space. Or should I just look for a 1TB drive and consider an HP with AMD x4 630, 6GB ram, 1TB HD and 512 video for $992.
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February 4, 2010 5:37:23 PM

Ok, the option 2 is the way to go.

You can buy a Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB here for $89.99. Total cost; 699.99 + 89.99 = 789.99.

The other option with the 630 and 1TB is expensive.
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February 4, 2010 5:45:00 PM

saint19 said:
Ok, the option 2 is the way to go.

You can buy a Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB here for $89.99. Total cost; 699.99 + 89.99 = 789.99.

The other option with the 630 and 1TB is expensive.



Thank you sooooo very much for helping me to choose! You're Awesome! I'm going to order the HP right now! You've helped me save a lot of money and get a good system. Have a GREAT day!
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February 4, 2010 5:47:45 PM

warmon6 said:
Although, if your wanting to save some money and have a powerful enough system down the road to fit your needs.

i would recommend an AMD Athlon II x4 (620 or above) or a phenom II x4 (945 or above) , 4GB ram, a low end gpu or integrated graphics, and a 500+GB HDD. This should suit you need quite well.

Something like this computer specs is what im talking about.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Warmon6 - Thank you for your input... You have been instrumental in providing much needed information and helped save me a lot of money. Very much appreciated. Have a great day!
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February 4, 2010 5:52:00 PM

Best answer selected by majestye.
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February 4, 2010 5:54:07 PM

Any time, that's why we are here.
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February 4, 2010 7:36:17 PM

saint19 said:
Any time, that's why we are here.


agree.

Anymore questions or if you have a problem, feel free to ask.
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February 4, 2010 10:25:48 PM

majestye said:
Ok, so I'm hearing that I don't necessarily need an i7, and that AMD is good, but I need to make a choice today, so if you could help me choose between the below systems, I would appreciate the assistance.

Remember I'm not a gamer, and I will use it for basic tasks, email, MS office programs, music and recording editing (nothing commerical, just personal) and creating videos from vacation pictures. I do have 3gigs of music and want to rip my entire CD and Album library. I want it to last for the next 3-4 years, and want the best performance and longevity... Here are my options:

1) HP Intel Core 2 Quad Processor 2.5GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 1333MHZ front side bus, 8GB Ram, !TB SATA 3gb/s hard drive, integrated graphics - $899.99

2) ZT Affinity: Phenom II X4 955, 3.2Ghz, AMD 760G/SB710 chipset, 8GB Ram, 1.5TB 7200rpm SATA Hard drive, Integrated ATI Radeon HD 3000 graphics - $699.99

3) HP: MD Athlon x4 620 2.6ghz, 6GB Ram, 640 GB hard Drive, 512MB ATI Radeon HD 4350 Graphics $699.99

4) HP: i7-860 2.8Ghz, 8mb Cache, 8GB ram, 1TB hard drive, 1GB Ati Radeon 4650 graphics, $1199.99

By the way, I'm a she, not a he. :ange: 

From that list, the PhII seems the best buy, but the video card option there is not very good. Can a separate discrete card be installed in that system, or is the motherboard one of those cheapies without a graphics card slot in it.

Do you not have a local computer store in your area that you feel you could trust to cobble together a system for you?

When I was younger and less experienced with computers I use to think, "well just as I wouldn't trust the average local mechanic to put together the components of a whole car from scratch, I will obviously go with a genuine Toyota or Ford, etc, so too will I go with a Dell or HP".

But later on I realised that unlike a car, if you have good quality components to start with(i.e. steer clear of ECS motherboards etc), and someone has a bit of computer knowledge, it is nearly impossible to fcuk up putting a system together.

With these big name "cheap" home systems, I always worry what will the quality of the motherboard, ram, harddisk and power supply be like, coz these companies are looking to control costs by cutting corners where they can(i.e. on those kinds of components) and advertising the items that catch people's attention(i.e. CPU type, Video Card model(but not necessarily the brand), amount of RAM(but not necessarily the brand), amount of hard disk space(but not necessarily the brand).
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