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November 26, 2009 12:33:27 AM

I was 'this' close to buying an MSI 4870 1G GDDR5 but I am hesitant now because of the dx11 5750 video card...They are both the same price and I dont know which one to buy..

My max resolution is 1280x1027 (17") so I dont know if low res would favor the 5750 and the future dx11 games... but again i heard 4870 owns 6750 in performance on current games...

Some have advised me to buy the 5750 since it supports DX11 and "SOON" dx11 games will be released and 4870 won't run them..

what is your advice?

P.S. I wil be upgrading the power supply to Gigabyte Superb 550W for the 4870 if i am getting this card.

thanks


Motherbrd : ASUSTeK P5K SE Intel P35.

Processor : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz.

Graphics : NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT 256 MB GDDR3.

Memory : kingmax Semiconductor 2 GB DDR2-SDRAM PC5300 .

Storage : WDC SATA-II 80 GB.

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a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 12:46:46 AM

The 4870 is more powerful, it's also big and hungry.

Can you afford to spend a little bit more on the 5770 instead? If so, that's the choice to make.

Dx11 games will run on dx10 hardware like the 4870 btw - it's just you wont be able to make use of the dx11 features quite so well, so a bit like Physx in that regard.
November 26, 2009 3:12:16 AM

jennyh said:
The 4870 is more powerful, it's also big and hungry.

Can you afford to spend a little bit more on the 5770 instead? If so, that's the choice to make.

Dx11 games will run on dx10 hardware like the 4870 btw - it's just you wont be able to make use of the dx11 features quite so well, so a bit like Physx in that regard.


How about 4890 vs a 5770?

I was considering either of these 2. Though I'm not sure which. They seem pretty even...
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a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 3:46:53 AM

n1ck3rs0n said:
How about 4890 vs a 5770?

I was considering either of these 2. Though I'm not sure which. They seem pretty even...


4870 ~ 5770
4890 > 4870
4890 > 5770
a b U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 3:54:24 AM

5750 is useless and not worth the money. HD5770 is a better choice. As BlueScreen mentioned its almost equal to HD4870 in performance, you can get it!
a c 376 U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 4:17:45 AM

Any of these cards will be excellent at that resolution so just grab the HD5750 as it's DX11 and uses much less power. If anything I would think about saving some money with an HD4770 for that resolution, not spending more for an HD5770 or HD4890 as others are suggesting. Either of them will be pointless unless you upgrade your monitor and people around here like to spend money that isn't theirs wastefully.
November 26, 2009 5:31:29 AM

Dx11 games still run on your computer. Just some features are turned off, that's all.
a c 225 U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 3:41:05 PM

Suggest you read the THG Graphics article entitled "Best GFX Cards 4 the Money"

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,...

basically a tie between the ATI 4870 (DX10) / nVidia 260 (DX10) / AT 5770 (DX11)

things to consider....

** 4870 / 260 not DX11 - will DX11 matter ? DX10 was a complete dud so who knows. If you don't think you will be upgrading GFX cards until 2012 or later, future proofing your system in case DX11 brings something to the table is a consideration. Until we see "on the screen" what DX11 adds we just won't be able to make that call.

** The 5770 i DX11 and is more efficient powerwise but the DX10 cards have better performance numbers.

** The 260 gives you PhysX, the other 2 ATI cards don't. Does that matter ? Decide for yaself:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/batman-arkham-asylu...

November 26, 2009 6:22:14 PM

I have an additional question for you.

Do you have a Blu-ray drive for your computer? If not, are you planning to purchase one?

The 5770 can bit-stream sound over HDMI, so if you plan to watch Blu-ray movies with your PC and can connect through HDMI, it's the obvious choice. Remember that you will need a monitor/HDTV that has the proper sound out (preferably digital).

If this doesn't sound like something you'll seriously consider, the choice is a bit blurry. The 5770 offers less power consumption and DX11, but is a bit more expensive. I still think given just these factors it's the part to go with, you'll likely save close to the ~$20 difference in electricity over the life of the card.
a c 358 U Graphics card
November 26, 2009 6:46:21 PM

To the OP,

Games are still being produced that continues to support DX9. Since you have Win XP you are stuck at DX9 until you decide to upgrade to either Vista or Win 7. Not sure how when DX9 support will be dropped since there are still a lot of people (including me) who still uses Win XP. DX8 did not die until Oblivion was released in 2006.

DX10 should still be around for the next 3 years so you can buy the HD 48xx series without much to worry about.

November 26, 2009 7:36:49 PM

By then, your card won't be able to keep up with the games anyway, so it's a win-win situation. (Unless you are really into lower power consumption.)
November 26, 2009 11:55:07 PM

now it is harder to decide lol

hell_storm :

the 5770 isnt available at the same price where i live. 5750 is though. ofcourse 5770 is better but at a max res of 1280x1024 ..wil i never need that much strength?

jyjjy :

it seems you have the most reasonable solution. I am not planning to upgrade my monitor anytime soon so i will be happily stuck with 1280x1024.

Can the 5750 afford the same 4870 performance in dx9-dx10 games under 1280x1024 high settings?

zendax :

No, am not considering a Blue-ray driver for now. thanks for the hint though.

JackNaylorPE

i have just googled some dx11 images and it is not the same case as it was between dx9 and dx10..there IS a visual difference.

So .. the conclusion am getting is that the 5750 hypthetically won't run DX11 games under 1280 x 1024 on high details when dx11 games are released. If this is the case. I d rather get the best performance for dx10 with 4870 and when dx11 games AREEE released, i wont regret it since 5750 wont be running them nicely anyways. But physx will still be something to desire. but not all games support it which is good.








a c 225 U Graphics card
November 27, 2009 10:14:11 PM

h2k47 said:
i have just googled some dx11 images and it is not the same case as it was between dx9 and dx10..there IS a visual difference.


I am not saying there's no discernable difference....I am saying nothing I have seen so far shows me it's gonna have people going "Wow". I was much more impressed by this:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/batman_arkham_asylu...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/batman-arkham-asylu...

But DX11 just got here.....what the technology can do and what has been done w/ it so far are two different things. Mirrors Edge also had PhysX but no one's gonna go "Wow" about Mirror's Edge. Batman changed how we think about PhysX .... We're still waiting for the game that does for DX11 what Batman did for PhysX.

a c 376 U Graphics card
November 27, 2009 11:20:21 PM

Well the thing is your resolution is very low, yes an HD4870 will give you better performance than an HD5750 even at that resolution but the difference between 80 and 90 fps isn't really something that matters. The only game where you are likely to see real benefits right now is Crysis as that game can always use more power. If you are willing to forgo DX11 another option is the GTS 250. It's about on par with the HD4850 and HD5750 but right now it's cheaper than either and would be a good choice.
November 30, 2009 9:09:11 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
I am not saying there's no discernable difference....I am saying nothing I have seen so far shows me it's gonna have people going "Wow". I was much more impressed by this:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/batman_arkham_asylu...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/batman-arkham-asylu...

But DX11 just got here.....what the technology can do and what has been done w/ it so far are two different things. Mirrors Edge also had PhysX but no one's gonna go "Wow" about Mirror's Edge. Batman changed how we think about PhysX .... We're still waiting for the game that does for DX11 what Batman did for PhysX.



jyjjy said:
Well the thing is your resolution is very low, yes an HD4870 will give you better performance than an HD5750 even at that resolution but the difference between 80 and 90 fps isn't really something that matters. The only game where you are likely to see real benefits right now is Crysis as that game can always use more power. If you are willing to forgo DX11 another option is the GTS 250. It's about on par with the HD4850 and HD5750 but right now it's cheaper than either and would be a good choice.




a 250 GTX OC draws 202W max which really made me ditch any nvidia card to save more money in the long run. Physx does look appealing but 'only' Batman AA utilized it well and so Physx' future is still unknown for many other games and I can live without it anyway.

So now it comes to these two : 5750 and 4870

My only worry is that the 5750 won't perform well on newer games under 1280x1024 because according to this( http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-5770-and-... ) it can 'barely' run Crysis(VeryHigh) under 1680x1050(21.91 fps)

Will the 4870 gives me a better performace for newer games than 5750 on 1280x1024 under the same system components I have now?

Motherbrd : ASUSTeK P5K SE Intel P35.
Processor : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz.
Graphics : NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT 256 MB GDDR3.
Memory : kingmax Semiconductor 2 GB DDR2-SDRAM PC5300 .
Storage : 2x WDC SATA-II 80 GB.






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