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November 21, 2009 10:56:02 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Will be ordering parts within next 2 weeks

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:
Gaming, Movies, Compiling code etc.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Monitor

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:
newegg.ca, NCIX.ca (yes I am Canadian) any other that you can recommend

PARTS PREFERENCES: I would probably like to use a AMD Phenom II X4 because its good bang for a buck

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe OCing the CPU and probably crossfire

MONITOR RESOLUTION:
I honestly dont know, but I have a Sony HD 42" LCD (1080P) TV

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I have never ever built a computer before and i'm soo excited. :bounce: 
I wanna build this computer to play MW2 maxed out and some RTS games like Command and Conquer. After I beat MW2 i'm going to give this comp to my brother who will be surfing the web alot, online video streaming and movies. Also do some coding and compiling maybe also run a virtual machine to test the codes etc and gaming.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you


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Parts

CPU:
Phenom II x4 955
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Mobo: (its up in the air still, open for suggestions)
GIGABYTE GA-MA790FXT-UD5P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

GPU:
I do not know, i've been trying to decide for over a month now, and i cant... please help, x-fire, sli, or single doesnt matter i want something that will be able to last me a while

Memory:
G.SKILL F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 9-9-9-24 Triple Channel Memory Kit
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34719&vpn=F3...

HDD:
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Heat Sink:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

CD/DVD Drive:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

PSU:
Corsair TX650W 650W ATX 12V 52A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26414&promoi...

Case:
I do not know.. i want something quiet+any additional fans i should buy for case?


This is my very first build, and I am very excited. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions you guys can offer. I would like to start ordering parts soooon

More about : 1000 1200 gaming

November 21, 2009 10:57:42 PM

There is only 5 hours of campaign in MW 2....
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November 21, 2009 10:59:39 PM

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There is only 5 hours of campaign in MW 2....


Yeah i heard. It sux but i'll be doing some online gaming as well
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November 22, 2009 11:59:00 AM

Any help guys...
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November 23, 2009 11:35:31 AM


any suggestions? :sweat: 
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November 23, 2009 1:35:45 PM

The motherboard looks good. This one is also good and cheaper: ASUS M4A79XTD EVO.

RAM shouldn't be triple channel (3x). Triple channel is only used for i7 CPUs, and the board will not be able to run it as efficiently as possible. Also, the CAS latency is pretty high. I suggest G.Skill Ripjaws 4 GB (2x2GB). If that's not enough, buy a couple pairs. There's a combo with your CPU to get $20 off one set on Newegg (not sure if its in Canada as well).

For you case, you have a lot of choices. The typical recommendations are the HAF 922 (or 932) and Antec 300 Illusion (or 900). All of these are very good. The Antec 300 is cheapest, but also the smallest. None of these should require you to buy additional fans.

As far as GPUs, that's a tough choice. I prefer to recommend the new 5xxx series of Radeons because they have good performance and are the only DirectX 11 cards out right now. However, some games work better with nVidia cards. I would take a look at the 5750/5770 cards (should be in your price range) and read some reviews out there comparing them to nVidia's offerings in that price range. I would also recommend starting with one card to give yourself some room to upgrade later if needed.
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November 25, 2009 1:19:48 AM

Yeah that does look like a nice mother board. How much of a difference will the 8x slot make for crossfire?
also about the ram, are you saying i cant use 6GB with AMD?

Thank you
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November 25, 2009 1:32:56 AM

Typically, the two slots are 8x/8x unless marked. The 16x is usually only for using one GPU. There are a few boards that support quad XFire/SLI that are 16x/16x, but I don't think its worth it to buy those, and I've only seen one (an i7 board). Your board doesn't specifically say 8x/8x, but that's what I'm assuming. You do not want a board that only has 4x on the second card. It will severely hamper the performance you should get out of the dual cards.

You probably can use 6 gigs with AMD boards, but its not as recommended as using 8 gigs. I'm not sure on exact benchmarks, but it has the potential to slow the memory down quite a bit. It should only run you $50 or so to go to 8 GB, and should be worth it (at least over the 6 gigs). I'm not convinced you really need to go up to that much RAM. Most of this is theoretical, as most people will just match what the mobo recommends.
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November 25, 2009 1:40:26 PM

Thanx for the reply again MadAdmiral.

so you think 5770 can play CoD MW2 on a 42" Sony HD LCD TV?

Will my PSU be enough if i plan to OC my CPU?

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November 25, 2009 1:57:46 PM

You do not want an IDE DVD burner. Pick whichever SATA drive you like.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=EN...

MadAdmiral is correct about the RAM, but is not doing a very good job of explaining WHY it's a bad choice. AMD chips use a dual channel RAM controller. If you use that triple channel kit it will run in single channel mode. You want RAM in even pairs so you can take advantage of the bandwidth advantage of dual channel operation. None of your listed uses of the computer will benefit from more than 4GB of RAM, except for maybe the virtual machines. I would just go with a quality 2x2GB setup and call it a day.

It looks like there's also been some confusion created about the PCI-E slots on your motherboard. 790FX motherboards run their PCI-E slots at 16x speed in Crossfire. 790GX and 790X motherboards run their PCI-E slots at 8x speed in Crossfire. The latest benchmarks show very little difference between 16x and 8x speeds when using Crossfire. The motherboard specs on your GA-MA790FXT-UD5P clearly state that it has two PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots. I would save your money and go with a 790GX or 790X motherboard, though.
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November 25, 2009 2:01:05 PM

I think the PSU should be enough, but you should double check on some wattage calculators (there are some really detailed ones out there).

I couldn't find benchmarks for the 5770 for MW2 off hand, but here are the ones for Crysis. I'm sure MW2 is either similiar are significant less intensive. I believe you're still looking at a 1920x1080 resolution, but I could be wrong. You're most likely not at the 2560x1600 shown as the max on the benchmarks. If you're really worried about it, you can always try it out and plan to Crossfire if it doesn't work as good as you'd like.
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November 25, 2009 2:06:48 PM

@shortstuff: Good catch on the optical. I just assumed it was SATA. Are you sure on the 16x/16x? The only boards I've seen that actually say they run at that are ones that have 3 or 4 PCIe slots. A lot of the specs say the have 2 PCIe 16x slots, and then next to it say 8x/8x (or even 16x/4x in some cases).
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November 25, 2009 2:10:20 PM

Yes, I'm sure. I don't give advice until fully researching a topic. The 790FX chipset supports full speed 16x Crossfire. That's one of the main reasons the boards are more expensive than the 790GX and 790X boards. It's just like how X58 boards run at full 16x speed while P55 boards run at 8x speed. It's all determined by the chipset.
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November 25, 2009 2:11:54 PM

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so you think 5770 can play CoD MW2 on a 42" Sony HD LCD TV?


Yep good to go
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November 25, 2009 4:40:39 PM

I didnt even realize DVD was IDE. Thanx.
so now the question is, should i go with 790GX or the Asus mobo which MadAdmiral recommended?
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November 25, 2009 4:51:17 PM

For me i'd go with a Gigabyte 770T-UD3P and stick to single GPU options :p  By the time u need CF prolly the other card may have EOL or a superior single GPU solution is available for a less power consumption/heat hehe The HD 5950 is scheduled 1st quarter next year as well IIRC
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November 25, 2009 5:26:09 PM

what is the difference between 770 and 790, besides price?
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November 25, 2009 5:38:06 PM

770 has just the single PCIex16 2.0 lane
790X - 8x + 8x CF
790GX - 8X + 8X CF with HD 3300 IGP
790FX - 16X + 16X CF or 8x + 8x + 8x + 8x CF on some models
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November 25, 2009 11:38:38 PM

That supports x-fire but they will run at x8, which doesn't make a big difference but still some.
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November 26, 2009 3:20:47 PM

Which of the following would you choose:
X4 955 + ASUS M4A79 Deluxe AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

$354CAD

or


Gigabyte MA790XT-UD4P AMD790X ATX AM3 DDR3 2PCI-E SATA2 RAID Sound GLAN Motherboard
+
x4 955
$315CAD

or

x4 955 + ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$304CAD

Basically which mobo is better and is it worth spending $40 extra for it?

Thanx
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November 26, 2009 7:28:44 PM

Any of the above bundles sound like a good deal?
or can you suggest anything better?

Thanx
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November 26, 2009 9:07:09 PM

X4 955 + ASUS M4A79 Deluxe AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Combo [...] mbo.299406

$354CAD

or


Gigabyte MA790XT-UD4P AMD790X ATX AM3 DDR3 2PCI-E SATA2 RAID Sound GLAN Motherboard
+
x4 955
$315CAD

or

x4 955 + ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$304CAD

It has all come down to the mobo. which mobo to choose?
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November 27, 2009 12:31:49 AM

can anybody help in deciding for mobo?
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November 27, 2009 5:28:43 AM

That 955BE + ASUS M4A79XTD EVO looks an awesome deal so that would be strong contender hehe The 1st one is an AM2+ high end mobo The smallish performance diff on PCIex16 gen 2.0 for 8x/16x CF and DDR3 capability would make it the weakest contender IMO
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November 27, 2009 12:32:32 PM

Geez that would be the Asus Rampage II of AM3 mobos - awesome price and a steal!
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November 27, 2009 12:51:11 PM

now for the GPU, i'm thinking one ATi 5770, but which brand ? Sapphire, XFX...etc?
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November 27, 2009 1:51:23 PM

Read reviews on any and zoom in on
a. Temps at load
b. Noise (Db) at load
That would be the right way of picking out a card
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November 29, 2009 2:29:07 AM

In future i plan to OC my Phenom II X4 955, I was wondering if anybody can recommend a good yet cheap heatsink for cpu that will keep it cool when OCing.
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November 29, 2009 2:38:58 AM

CM Hyper 212?
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November 29, 2009 2:48:04 AM

have you used it with OCed CPU? would it fit without any problem in MSI GD70?
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November 29, 2009 2:50:59 AM

Yes but not in GD70 but it should be no issue ^^
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November 29, 2009 3:59:31 PM

is it quiet fan?

also i'm thinking of HAF 932 case... what do you think?
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November 29, 2009 4:08:46 PM

you could get the haf 922 instead its bout the same size as the 932
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November 29, 2009 4:17:23 PM

but will everything including the giant heatsink fit in the HAF 922 case nicely without any problems?
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November 29, 2009 8:16:53 PM

HAF 932 vs HAF 922

Somebody help me decide!!! please....
or if you can suggest another one...
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November 29, 2009 8:18:21 PM

932 is more roomy but the same. If you want a bigger case and don't mind paying for it then get it.
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November 29, 2009 8:20:41 PM

right now i can get HAF 922 for $79, after shipping and tax, about $101
and HAF 932 for about $109, after shipping and tax, maybe $140

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November 29, 2009 8:29:41 PM

Your choice both are great.
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November 29, 2009 8:44:47 PM

OK so i've ordered HAF 922...
now on to which CPU heatsink for OCin X4 955, something cheap and quiet
something like CM Hyper 212 as suggested above
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November 29, 2009 11:22:47 PM

Thanx for link.

How about decent set of RAM, any suggestions? I think 4GB should be sufficient
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November 30, 2009 12:57:20 AM

First one. Its cheaper and has lower latencies(faster)
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