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April 28, 2012 5:15:48 PM

has anyone ever hooked their WC loops up to a domestic radiator? they are about the same price as your average WC rad and allot bigger, just with no fans, to me it kind of makes sense to recycle the waste heat and surely modern domestic radiators would be efficient enough for this purpose, though i imagine you wolud need a fairly powerful pump at either side of the rad.

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a c 190 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 5:21:52 PM

Interesting proposition, I'm not sure that anyones tried it,
domestic rads are quite thick so it would be difficult to get the heat out of them,
it would basically be a passive loop and I'm not convinced it would work effectively,
unless you mounted it horizontally and laid it in ice :p 
Moto
April 28, 2012 5:27:48 PM

but isn't their sole purpose to dissipate heat? or are the simply not designed with the same efficiency as WC rads?
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a c 110 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 5:43:49 PM

Since this is a a thinking outside the box situation anyway, I imagine it could be cooled with a household box fan, set on high. Probably too noisy for most people though, lol.
a c 190 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 5:43:57 PM

They are designed to emanate heat but you want a radiator that is able to be actively cooled by fans for example, you would need a hell of a fan to cool the radiators metal enough to cool the water inside,
@Recon, he means a house radiator like we have on walls,
not car rads, which are a suitable alternative, although again with the massive fans hehe
@Dj, yup too much noise and not effective enough
Moto
a b K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 5:48:28 PM

Built a custom WC system a few years ago and I found that certain transmission coolers will fit 3 120 mm fans perfectly with a little mod and are about 1/3 the price and cool exceptionally well. Youre welcome for that.
a c 110 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 6:00:20 PM

Yeah, if you're talking about a household heating radiator, there's no fan (even industrial) that will cool that, since the metal's too thick and it's not meant for cooling anyway. vrumor put you on the right track though. Although I DO think a full size car type radiator would work, but you would need a high flow pump for it to work properly, and a huge fan to cool it.
a c 190 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 6:03:07 PM

Plus it would most likely be aluminium, and we don't put aluminium in our loops as a rule, it gets messy and you need corrosion inhibitors and stuff, my head hurts :p 
Moto
April 28, 2012 6:14:06 PM

The physics are behind you and it should work. That's a large area it has to heat up. You are talking about one of those old style metal ones right?
April 28, 2012 6:30:40 PM

yeah voodooking, however it did occur to me as i was washing the pots just now that they are designed to store and release the heat slowly which of course would mean the cooling potential would be vastly reduced over time as the ambient air temp would increase and ultimately render the system ineffective.

fair point you make moto, though that doesn't seem to inhibit their use in household systems.
April 28, 2012 6:31:49 PM

so what other types of RADS are there, surely there are others that would be suited to this task
a c 190 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 6:34:40 PM

Car radiators, Toolmaker_03 found some great little copper things on ebay but we don't know what they are,
Excuse the Ms paint edit I did :p 

Moto
April 28, 2012 6:37:47 PM

certainly interesting moto, especially if you don't have allot of space for your WC but i wouldn't say they're particularly cheap...
a c 190 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 6:40:31 PM

Watercooling and the word cheap should only be in the same sentence when separated by a negatory, as in 'Watercooling ISN'T cheap' :p 
I believe he got six of them reasonably cheap though
Moto
April 28, 2012 6:41:15 PM

maybe we need a sticky dedicated to unconventional cooling methods in general
April 28, 2012 6:42:53 PM

you're definitely correct there moto, the only possible cheap WC is those sealed loop systems
April 28, 2012 6:51:10 PM

i think my curiosity on this matter has been satisfied, however i have one last question on modding, has anyone ever modded one of those sealed loops for different tubing/bigger rad, i had a look the other day and only found one thread on the matter however the discussion derailed only a few posts after the OP
a c 190 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 7:28:22 PM

^Yes, a few people have modded H50's etc, lutfij here was one
He soon gave up and went real water :) 
Moto
April 28, 2012 7:36:00 PM

im currently balancing out my desire for a WC rig with the desire for a lian li big tower
a b K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 8:05:10 PM

ok truth be told most of the awesome builds that you see in the gallery they started from somewhere and most started with a kit of some sort but the reason most of us advocate for a custom build is because where trying to save you in the long run from buying something that will be dismantled and thrown away. let me explain this in a another way I like to build cars and my last project was a Nissan 240 sx after the warranty went out I started look at ways to make it better, stronger, faster, and more exciting. so I beefed up the shocks rebuilt the motor, rear-end, and transmission, the total on this was $12,000, cheaper than a new car, but more than I had to spend to do this. if I had bought the R edition I would have been able to achieve the same results for about $7000 if I had only considered who I am at the time when I bought it, true the R edition would have cost about $4000 more, but would have saved me a lot of work in the process. but I do have a car now that can squall the tires at 60 mph if you floor it. my girl friend drove it through a wall one day, and blamed me for causing the accident, said that my upgrades caused her to be unable to control the car. although when I arrived on the seen her friends were gone, and it was obvious that she had been drag racing the car. she never paid for the damage, but she also does not drive it any more either. man chicks can cost, a lot. but back to water cooling I bought a swiftech Qpower startup system. the start up was $600 just for the processor, but it was easy to upgrade and I did not half to throw anything away. so if you spend a little extra now, it will save you in the long run. maybe I should apply this type of consideration to women, if I get a higher class of woman now, she won't cost me so much latter? :lol: 
a c 190 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 8:08:33 PM

I wouldn't recommenc either of those kits, in fact I would actively steer you away from them,
if budget is an issue, wait until its not, then build a good loop later on,
Moto
April 28, 2012 8:15:22 PM

i dont want air cooling because i dont like the idea of fixing something as huge as the d-14 to my MOBO, but when i can only allocate ~£300 for the case and cooling my options are limited, especially when im looking at lian li cases
a b K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 8:23:25 PM

small cases should not be the issue, you can always mount to the outside of it, it may not look nice but it works. and try to stay away from kits, it's just a opinion, but there is a lot to support it, look at the HAY rubix_1011 thread.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274814-29-rubix_1011
April 28, 2012 8:29:54 PM

disregard what i previously said about cost, i just checked another site for the z70 i picked out and found it £70 cheaper lol, guess that's why you shouldn't buy from overclockers.co.uk
a c 190 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 9:10:31 PM

Again with a big fat NO! :p 
Seriously these allinone kits (unless from Xspc or swiftech) are a waste of your hardearned and will probably sour you on the whole W/c experience, you have some serious hardware to cool, you absolutely cannot F%&k yourself over by putting a crap cooling system in there,
if you can get the RX360 kit I'd be happier and you can add a smaller 240 rad (Ex should be fine if you can't find somewhere for an RX 240), in there as well to cope with the gfx output
but please please do not buy any kit other thanXspc or swiftech's,
read through the sticky and you'll see a little more of the methodology involved
Moto
a b K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 9:12:54 PM

well if you upgrade all the fittings, and get larger/better tubing, and add a fill/flush system. I can show you how to do that, total for the upgrades about $150, but would make a pretty decent starter system, should last about 3 years, before you will need to replace the pump.
April 28, 2012 10:08:52 PM

atm i only want to WC my CPU, and if i upgrade the rad it will be to a 280mm not a 240 or a 360, i just want something to get started, if it fails then i go back to stock until i can upgrade a little later which is what i intend to do anyway as none of them are entirely adequate for my needs, as such i think ill go with the magicool kit and some de-ionized water
a c 190 K Overclocking
April 28, 2012 10:11:17 PM

Ok man, it is your call and your money, let us know if you need any help setting it up ok?
Moto
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