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November 24, 2009 10:50:24 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 2Weeks


BUDGET RANGE: I have $2000-$2500


SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Primarily Gaming along with some web surfing and school work


PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers, Monitor,


PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Any suggestions would be great


PARTS PREFERENCES: No real preferences. The best i can get for my money is about all i can say


OVERCLOCKING: Kinda new to this so if its for the best


SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Same idea as Overclocking



Ok so as the thread states im looking to build my first custom gaming computer. If possible i want this thing to rip through new games ect. When i say i truly mean that im buying the parts but a friend of mine is putting the project together.Im also looking for a Custom case to fit and some ype of effective cooling unit. I look forward to hearing your responses and as for my preferences like i stated earlier im new to this so really im just looking for the best my money can buy me.
November 24, 2009 11:11:48 PM

ASUS P6T Deluxe v2

i7 920

Core Contact Freezer 120mm + LGA1366 bracket (esp. if OCing)

HAF 932, or Antec 900 or Antec 1200

Corsair 750TX if planing to CrossFire, else Corsair 650TX or 550VX

ATI 5870,5850, or 5770

WD Black 640GB (possibly 2x in RAID) for data

1x Intel X25-M G2 80GB or the Kingston M serise (which is a clone of the Intel) for OS

3*2GB DDR3 1600 from a good brand name like OCZ, Corsair,etc.
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November 25, 2009 12:59:29 AM

Alright Shadow thanks for the suggestion. However im a bit lost as i dont know much about this kind of thing :(  Perhaps put some sub headings in or something Lol


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November 25, 2009 1:07:19 AM

Might want to check my thread for a similar build with some nice savings. Its around $1,100.00.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/275227-31-hows-build-...

If you wanted to crossfire, just get 2x of the graphic cards and maybe a better power supply that can support crossfire efficiently. We have quite a discussion going on there about various power supplies.
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November 25, 2009 1:34:24 AM

What resolution are games to be played on TS?
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November 25, 2009 2:00:14 AM

Alright awesome guys thanks a lot for the assistance. So iv pretty much got 3 similar builds going on here which would you say would be the best deal?

@darksupreme suppose i were to use that exact build. Assuming im Overclocking and Crosfireing is that all id need or no?
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November 25, 2009 3:51:31 AM

that build utilizes more of your money and gives you more bang for your buck the cpu/mobo deal gives u a top of the line mobo for oc'ing for relatively cheap. you have the best graphics card on the market in that build ,some great ram along with everything else, you can even set those 2 great hard drives up in raid , i believe this build gives you the overall BEST BANG FOR UR BUCK
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November 25, 2009 4:02:57 AM

darksupreme said:
that build utilizes more of your money and gives you more bang for your buck the cpu/mobo deal gives u a top of the line mobo for oc'ing for relatively cheap. you have the best graphics card on the market in that build ,some great ram along with everything else, you can even set those 2 great hard drives up in raid , i believe this build gives you the overall BEST BANG FOR UR BUCK


Alright i cant tell to how stoked i am to get this thing built. Ty again to everyone who helped. And ill be going with your build Darksupreme so a special thanks to you :)  Take care
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November 25, 2009 4:20:27 AM


b4 u buy wait for some critics to reply
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November 25, 2009 4:49:08 AM

darksupreme said:
b4 u buy wait for some critics to reply



Yeah im not buying this second, probably wont be till the 1St of December. One more thing real quick, im in Canada how long do you figure shipping takes?
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November 25, 2009 10:33:20 AM

The i7-920 processor is old technology and has past its prime. The new i9 processors will be available sometime next year, but will be extremely expensive because they are not aimed at the home PC market.

For better gaming performance today, get a i5-750 computer. For a single graphics card, the i750 computer beats the i920 computer every single time:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...
If you add a second graphics card, the i750 computer beats the i920 computer in some games, and visa versa, so there is no advantage going with the i920 for gaming:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-gaming,2403...

With the new technology (i5-750) you get better performance at a substantially lower cost!
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November 25, 2009 8:28:29 PM

dpaul8 said:
The i7-920 processor is old technology and has past its prime. The new i9 processors will be available sometime next year, but will be extremely expensive because they are not aimed at the home PC market.

For better gaming performance today, get a i5-750 computer. For a single graphics card, the i750 computer beats the i920 computer every single time:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...
If you add a second graphics card, the i750 computer beats the i920 computer in some games, and visa versa, so there is no advantage going with the i920 for gaming:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-gaming,2403...

With the new technology (i5-750) you get better performance at a substantially lower cost!




I took a look at those charts and i can clearly see what your saying. However iv got 3 people that have suggested the i7 920. So im guessing that if i go single graphics card the i5 750 would be best? What if i were to pick up a second graphics card?

And as far as video cards go iv had a few ppl from my school saying ATI (Radeon) is a pain in the but for adaptability anyone care to abbreviate.
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November 25, 2009 9:04:22 PM

for 1 the new i9 arent out yet , and like he said will be extremely expensive , and ontop of that they WILL not give u any noticeable or major advances in gaming , i mean sure youll be able to run 2 crysis warehead app's on full specs upload a vid to youtube , watch a vid of dave chappelle , and watch porn all at the same time , but i dought that your gonna multitask like that . and for 2 i7 920 is better 1 like he said in the far future when u do wanna upgrade to the i9 guess what itll only be available for 1366 sockets like the i7 920 not that i5 , and 3 everyone suggest the i7 920 ( cause its better ) theres only like 1 random person every post that jumps in suggesting that lol . and for the card nvidias 300 series should be coming out this month so weel i honestly believe that theyll either be not as good as the ati 5000 series or right on the same lvl . and 4 theres nothing sketch about ATI at all dnt listen to your freinds at school 1 of them says something and then theyll say the same thing ( if u know what i mean ) listen to the ppl who constantly put up post everyday building people computers
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November 25, 2009 10:31:46 PM

darksupreme said:
for 1 the new i9 arent out yet , and like he said will be extremely expensive , and ontop of that they WILL not give u any noticeable or major advances in gaming , i mean sure youll be able to run 2 crysis warehead app's on full specs upload a vid to youtube , watch a vid of dave chappelle , and watch porn all at the same time , but i dought that your gonna multitask like that . and for 2 i7 920 is better 1 like he said in the far future when u do wanna upgrade to the i9 guess what itll only be available for 1366 sockets like the i7 920 not that i5 , and 3 everyone suggest the i7 920 ( cause its better ) theres only like 1 random person every post that jumps in suggesting that lol . and for the card nvidias 300 series should be coming out this month so weel i honestly believe that theyll either be not as good as the ati 5000 series or right on the same lvl . and 4 theres nothing sketch about ATI at all dnt listen to your freinds at school 1 of them says something and then theyll say the same thing ( if u know what i mean ) listen to the ppl who constantly put up post everyday building people computers



Yeah sorry for not getting back right away on this one. I took the time to read the huge post on the comparison between these Intel Cores. And i must say for my self personally the most i ever really multitask is really playing WoW and buffering a Youtube video in the process, and even for that i usually close off wow so yeah. And i completely agree with the fact that a much greater percent are leaning towards the I7 920. So i think ill be staying with the i7 920 for the time being. As far as graphics go i also checked out a few reviews on the Ati 5000 series and it seemed to me that the blew away all expectations. Just a few minor questions here

As far as Cooling goes with the i7 920 producing more heat apparently am i all set with that?
Im most likely going to be buying a monitor separate for this, any suggestions?
And finally would upgrading that 6GB of ram be advised? Iv noticed a lot of people say thats a great amount to have atm

Thanks
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November 25, 2009 10:34:35 PM

I find the logic displayed in these posts very amusing. I clearly show you two respectable websites, Anandtech.com and TomsHardwares.com, that conducted tests which show that for either single or crossfired graphics cards the P55 platform is better than the X58 platform, and you say it can't be true because three people here say the i920 is better. In your case your going to spend over $200 more for the X58 system (processor, motherboard, and RAM), and not see any performance improvement.

I don't mind being a lone voice of dissent because I know I am right, and eventually my viewpoint will become the mainstream.

Enjoy your new i920 processor and motherboard. It was the best system available three months ago, and is still a very capable performer.
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November 25, 2009 10:45:46 PM

I can understand your argument here and like you said i did look at both of those charts graphing performance. And i saw that the P55 was perhaps slightly better, though one of my main concerns is that when the i9 comes out apparently with the i5 you wont be able to upgrade easily. However if you'd like to post up perhaps a Link to the P55 system from a site like Newegg or something i will put a little bit more though into it, because as you said its a $200 differencet
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November 26, 2009 12:15:55 AM

@dpaul8: There is nothing wrong with the i7 920. Sure, it's a bit older than the current LGA1156 CPUs, but going the X58 route guarantees you'll be able to upgrade to i9s down the road. Given OPs budget there is no reason NOT to go the i7 920.

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In your case your going to spend over $200 more for the X58 system (processor, motherboard, and RAM), and not see any performance improvement.

Not $200. More like $100 assuming you get a mid range X58 board (like the P6T SE). The OP DOESN'T need an RAMPAGE II (or a Deluxe v2) unless really going for a high OC. Also, you do get 6GB instead of the 4GB. Also the i5s do not have HT. As more games become cr@ppy ports, bad coding,etc the HT can come in handy. For example, games like ARMA2 benefit from a more CPU power. http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,687620/ArmA-2-tested...



Also, the 9900 is OLD and no longer at the top 10. Dosen't have much price vs performance value considering the CCF is ~$25 after MIR at Newegg and performs much better than the 9900.
For the top HSF ranking/reviews: http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

edit: Damn. Just saw the 750TX pricing. It's come down a LOT in price since it came out on the market.



edit2: One more thing OP, if you live near a Microcenter you can buy the i7 920 for $200 there. Which would make a LGA1156 v LGA1366 a not much of an issue.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
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November 26, 2009 1:22:15 AM

I just checked the Site and it doesnt seem that there are any Microcentres near where i live in Canada. As far as the computer goes im a bit confgused as to what you think should be switched. Your saying that the Zalaman 9900 cooler is outdated and i should perhaps buy a different one?
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November 26, 2009 1:35:45 AM

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Your saying that the Zalaman 9900 cooler is outdated and i should perhaps buy a different one?

Correct. For an LGA1366 I recommend the Core Contact Freezer (make sure to get the separate bracket for 1366). For LGA1156, a CoolerMaster 212.


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just checked the Site and it doesnt seem that there are any Microcentres near where i live in Canada.

Ahh..... that changes the game quite a bit. Btw, are we talking in CAD or USD?
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November 26, 2009 1:38:43 AM

Shadow703793 said:
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Your saying that the Zalaman 9900 cooler is outdated and i should perhaps buy a different one?

Correct. For an LGA1366 I recommend the Core Contact Freezer (make sure to get the separate bracket for 1366). For LGA1156, a CoolerMaster 212.

Allright ill switch that up. Could you post a link to them on Newegg if you dont mind :p 


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just checked the Site and it doesnt seem that there are any Microcentres near where i live in Canada.

Ahh..... that changes the game quite a bit. Btw, are we talking in CAD or USD?


CAD
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November 26, 2009 1:51:05 AM

yea shadow your right i meant to change it to a megahelms but i couldnt remember at the time what it was i was supposed to change lol. and yes the rampage 2 is irrelevant but like the OP posted ( i want the most bang for my buck ) and thats exactly what i configured for him within his budget ,and sure he may not be sure about mad OC'ing now but frm what ive been reading in his posts hes been studying, eventually hell probably get caught up in try to squeeze the max performance from his comp . unlike other people ive helped with builds he seems more willing to learn and become a master builder himself .
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November 26, 2009 3:20:56 AM

darksupreme said:
yea shadow your right i meant to change it to a megahelms but i couldnt remember at the time what it was i was supposed to change lol. and yes the rampage 2 is irrelevant but like the OP posted ( i want the most bang for my buck ) and thats exactly what i configured for him within his budget ,and sure he may not be sure about mad OC'ing now but frm what ive been reading in his posts hes been studying, eventually hell probably get caught up in try to squeeze the max performance from his comp . unlike other people ive helped with builds he seems more willing to learn and become a master builder himself .



I very much have appreciated yours and everyone elses help in this matter and ty for the complement. So i been looking through the Fan/Heatsink section and i just cant seem to locate the Cooling unit you guys have both agreed upon switching to :p  Mind tossing up a quick link if its not to much of a bother
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November 26, 2009 3:58:41 AM

Don't get the Rampage 2 Extreme - it's just unstable. Classy is the way to go:D 
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November 26, 2009 3:59:26 AM

Rampage is unstable? where did you read that rubbish at?
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November 26, 2009 5:28:43 AM

lol unstable???....... sure buddy ,get that cpu cooler with the build i made u and have fun bud :) 
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November 26, 2009 5:42:49 AM

Rampage unstable is the funniest thing ive heard in a while.
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November 26, 2009 6:05:15 PM

^+1.

You have FAILED jaymoney61.
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November 26, 2009 6:09:30 PM

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CPU-Z 1.66Ghz Validation!!! LN2

Desktop Pic From my LN2 benching session

Oh sure..... care to show a pic of the LN2 pot,etc?
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November 26, 2009 8:49:06 PM

Allright so with this build ill be using my 22Inch LG Flatron monitor (2560x1660 Max Resoulution). Im just curious to know what kind of performance ill be able to get out a this build in World of Warcraft. Im hopeing that it will be able to achieve the 60Fps mark on full settings in all zones in the game raiding ect.

Iv also heard that SLI/Crossfireing doesnt benifit WoW so if this is the case i don't really see a point in doing it as its the only real game i play. If this at all will change my build let me know.

However I defs want to OC this as much as possible still.

Also apparently DIAMOND 5970PE52G Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) 2GB 512 (256 x 2)-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Dual GPU Onboard CrossFire Video Card w/ Eyefinity - Retail DIAMOND 5970PE52G Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) 2GB 512 (256 x 2) isnt out yet, this may be an issue because im getting this thing in a weeks time or so.

Thanks
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November 26, 2009 9:09:00 PM

^Wait, your only playing WoW?!?!? In that case, any thing above a Phenom II or i5 build is probably overkill.
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November 26, 2009 9:52:31 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^Wait, your only playing WoW?!?!? In that case, any thing above a Phenom II or i5 build is probably overkill.


Im only playing wow atm yes, but not becuase im not interested in playing other games, simply becuase this peice of crap computer i have right now cant run anything else.

And im guessing this thing will rip through wow with ease then correct?

Also is what i was told about the GPU not being out yet true?
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November 26, 2009 10:22:49 PM

for the Q that if it will play wow good YES , u should be able to play wow anywhere 200+ fps lol taht build will run crysis warhead full specs 60- 70 fps no prob . and do me a favor and get off WOw i played for 3 years , so sick of it i play AION now and honestly its 20x better and is only getting better heres a vid of some of the stuff there adding to it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PAM0wr7cZ8

and yes the 5970 is out
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November 26, 2009 10:36:30 PM

darksupreme said:
for the Q that if it will play wow good YES , u should be able to play wow anywhere 200+ fps lol taht build will run crysis warhead full specs 60- 70 fps no prob . and do me a favor and get off WOw i played for 3 years , so sick of it i play AION now and honestly its 20x better and is only getting better heres a vid of some of the stuff there adding to it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PAM0wr7cZ8

and yes the 5970 is out


Ill take a look at AION :p  As for the 5970 im guessing that its out of stock then?
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November 26, 2009 11:11:02 PM

yea just out of stock watch it closely and youll grab 1
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November 26, 2009 11:44:28 PM

Now the only thing left to do is grab these parts from NCIX or something. What a bad day to be Canadian :(  Of course Newegg doesnt ship here. if you can offr any assistance in this that be great. Theres a bunch of stuff there with similar names but different descriptions so im confused lol.
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November 27, 2009 6:10:06 PM

Lmao then the article i read about them not hving a site for Canada currently must have been outdated lol Ty. So i just look for the same parts there and so on.

Ok going through the Newegg.ca site iv ran into a few problems. Currently im unable to get the 5970 and the Samsung F3 Hard Drive. As they both seem to be out of stock atm
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esides that im pretty much set, as the rest of the items are allready on my shopping list :p 
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November 27, 2009 7:42:08 PM

thats fine while you hawk those 2 parts you can wait and see how the nvidia cards are when they come out ( hopefully )
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