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November 25, 2009 12:06:34 AM

Heya fellas,

Just worked on putting together this build. Hopefully I can order soon.

Case: RAIDMAX SMILODON Extreme Black ATX-612WEBP 1.0mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Foldout MB Computer Case With 500W Power Supply - Retail
Processor: Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
Motherboard: ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Graphic Card: HIS H489FN1GH Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire
Memory: OCZ 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3X1600R2LV6GK - Retail
Disc Drive: LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - OEM
Hard Drive Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive


Now the only thing I left off really is the Power Supply. The case comes with a 500 watt power supply, but I'm not sure how good that is, and if I should invest the extra $80.00 into a nice corsair or OCZ power supply... hmm.

There was also a nice combo deal for that mobo, graphic card, and ram.

Love the sexy black/green Raidmax Smilodon case, reminds me of Alien for some reason. My last case was very noisy, and from the reviews I read this case is secure, sturdy, and fairly quiet.

I definitely wanted the i7 but wasn't sure if I could afford one. I got a MicroCenter near me, so I can save another $100.00 on the i7 if I get through them. Could either invest that extra money into a bluray drive or a better power supply.

Love the ram and mobo, had already added them to cart and made a thread about graphic cards, I was looking at that one I was recommended prior to the recommendation and saw the killer combo deal for the ram and mobo with that graphic card, so that helped make my mind up.

Hard drive is great as well. I consider WD the best hard drive company in the business.

Only 2 things I'm iffy on is whether or not to get a better power supply and upgrade to a bluray drive.

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November 25, 2009 12:11:48 AM

Hell no on the raidmax power supply that comes with that case. I would suggest either the corsair 550VX if you never intend to crossfire, or the 750TX if you plan to crossfire in the future.

For the same price the samsung F3 will offer you significantly better performance than the caviar green
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Unless you intend to watch lots of bluray movies on your computer, its really not worth the extra for a bluray drive, they are very expensive but steadily dropping in price.
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November 25, 2009 12:24:33 AM

Caviar green is a low power, low performance drive. You want a caviar black 320 or 640 or preferable a samsung F3 500 or 1TB. The WD 500s are old and use two 250GB platters, the Samsung F3 uses a single 500 GB platter and is much faster.

Its hard to say a free PSU isnt worth it. Right now newegg has the Antec Earthwatts 380W 80+ certified PSU for $30 after MIR. Its the cheapest good PSU I know of. It will handle a single low power GPU like an ATI 5750 or 5770 if you decide you need one later.

:lol:  Hunter didnt see you had no graphics card.
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November 25, 2009 12:26:08 AM

hunter315 said:
Hell no on the raidmax power supply that comes with that case. I would suggest either the corsair 550VX if you never intend to crossfire, or the 750TX if you plan to crossfire in the future.

For the same price the samsung F3 will offer you significantly better performance than the caviar green
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Unless you intend to watch lots of bluray movies on your computer, its really not worth the extra for a bluray drive, they are very expensive but steadily dropping in price.


Thanks for the tip on the bluray drive. They really have already come down significantly over the past 5-6 months alone.

And thanks for the tip on the power supply.

What about the Samsung gives better performance. I know Western Digital is a great company for hard drives. The specs on these are pretty much identical, the WD has special holiday price. The WD has over 1,300 reviews and the Samsung has 90. May be its just new though. I do like Samsung electronics a lot. There are #1 in LCD TV's.

I was looking at this power supply. $67.00 after mail in rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

They also got another lower down model I guess, its 7$ cheaper after mail in rebate. OCZ is very good with power supplies usually. Corsair is as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

You can see the 2 corsairs at the top with most reviews. a 650 watt for $88.99 and a 620 watt for $119.99. The two OCZ units are #4 and #5 on there. Both are 700 watts
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November 25, 2009 12:29:06 AM

The OCZ Fatal1ty 550W is another PSU you should look at.


Read my post above about the HDDs.
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November 25, 2009 12:36:04 AM

Rated wattage doesnt mean a thing, always look at the current available on the 12 volt rail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag...
the OCZ 700W psu will only provide 46A, the corsair 750TX will provide 60A allowing it to supply plenty of power for two 4890s should you choose to go that route, its also only $88 after MIR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For a single 4890 you only need a good 550 like the 550VX, which while rated 150W lower only provides 5 fewer amps than the OCZ 700W psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The reason the samsung has so few reviews is that it came out only a few months ago, here is a review done by toms.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2tb-hdd-7200,2430-7...
The sequential reads and writes are what matter the most to the average user, you can see the 2TB Caviar Green at the very bottom of the first two charts.
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November 25, 2009 12:40:38 AM

dndhatcher said:
The OCZ Fatal1ty 550W is another PSU you should look at.


Read my post above about the HDDs.


Thanks. I will go with the Samsung 1tb drive.

That OCZ Fatal1ty 550W is very nice, however I don't like the red LED's. My case uses green LED's. You think the 700w Fatal1ty is worth the extra $20.00? Still pretty cheap. Same watts as the OCZ ModXStream Pro I picked above, $18.00 cheaper. Which is better?

$40.00 for that OCZ Fatal1ty 550W is damn nice though... Is it enough power if I ever wanted to use 2 graphic cards? Doubt I ever will though. It does say CrossFire Ready though. Hmm..

Thanks for the input!
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November 25, 2009 12:42:24 AM

for some crazy reason, i already knew from launch of f3 that it was gunna be faster than the seagate 7200.12 500gb :D 
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November 25, 2009 12:43:44 AM

If you do not like the green of the case mixing with the psu, pick a red or blue case with no window so it will not interfere, cm scout/antec300 would be a good choices for cases while providing excellent airflow
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November 25, 2009 12:48:18 AM

ubernoobie said:
If you do not like the green of the case mixing with the psu, pick a red or blue case with no window so it will not interfere, cm scout/antec300 would be a good choices for cases while providing excellent airflow


I really do love that black/green LED case though. Hard call. Is it possible to disable the LED's? I wonder...
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November 25, 2009 1:19:45 AM

n1ck3rs0n said:
Thanks. I will go with the Samsung 1tb drive.

That OCZ Fatal1ty 550W is very nice, however I don't like the red LED's. My case uses green LED's. You think the 700w Fatal1ty is worth the extra $20.00? Still pretty cheap. Same watts as the OCZ ModXStream Pro I picked above, $18.00 cheaper. Which is better?

$40.00 for that OCZ Fatal1ty 550W is damn nice though... Is it enough power if I ever wanted to use 2 graphic cards? Doubt I ever will though. It does say CrossFire Ready though. Hmm..

Thanks for the input!


A great PSU to consider (I know it's a bit more expensive, but never skimp on the power supply) is the Corsair VX550. It has plenty of power, and would be a great choice. I would tend to lean towards Corsair over OCZ though - they have slightly more solidly built, high quality units (though OCZ isn't junk).
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November 26, 2009 2:42:12 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hows that one look?

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 - Retail

Also I lost the package deal at the moment for the graphic card, ram, motherboard because they ran out of stock on the graphic card.
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November 26, 2009 2:43:16 AM

Need 750w for dual 4850s.
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November 26, 2009 2:49:43 AM

hunter315 said:
Im greatly underwhelmed by the combined 12V wattage of that PSU, it should really be a 600W PSU not a 700.

The two posted by dndhatcher would be my recommendation along with the TP-750 which is currently on sale
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Can you help me figure out how to check the 12V wattage? And is it possible to know how much 12V wattage each card would need? Or is it based on estimates?

Thanks. You guys all been so helpful!

The one you posted says:

+12V1@25A,+12V2@25A,+12V3@25A, +12V4@25A,-12V@0.8A

Hows that work? Do I combine the +12V1 through +12V4? so would be 100A? And what does the -12V mean?
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November 26, 2009 2:58:08 AM

Compare power supplies based off of this image
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag...
Now on the second one you can see that it can provide 62A on the 12V rail, watts = volts * amps so it provides up to 744W of power from the 12V rail which is quite good.

A couple rules of thumb will get you a long way. A good 500 or 550W PSU, approximately 40A on the 12V rail, will power any single GPU. A good 650W PSU, about 50A on the 12V rail, will power 2 low power GPUs like the 57xx or 4770. A good 750W PSU, approximately 60A, is needed to power 2 high end GPUs like the 4890 or 5870.

These approximations keep the PSU running in its higher efficiency range and wont shorten its life span. A good PSU should last you several years and a couple of builds.

Rarely can you add the rails, the image will usually tell you the max combined current that the 12V rail can supply, if it doesnt steer clear. The -12V rail isnt really there to provide power, its more just for things that need a larger voltage differential.
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November 26, 2009 4:24:46 PM

hunter315 said:
Compare power supplies based off of this image
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag...
Now on the second one you can see that it can provide 62A on the 12V rail, watts = volts * amps so it provides up to 744W of power from the 12V rail which is quite good.

A couple rules of thumb will get you a long way. A good 500 or 550W PSU, approximately 40A on the 12V rail, will power any single GPU. A good 650W PSU, about 50A on the 12V rail, will power 2 low power GPUs like the 57xx or 4770. A good 750W PSU, approximately 60A, is needed to power 2 high end GPUs like the 4890 or 5870.

These approximations keep the PSU running in its higher efficiency range and wont shorten its life span. A good PSU should last you several years and a couple of builds.

Rarely can you add the rails, the image will usually tell you the max combined current that the 12V rail can supply, if it doesnt steer clear. The -12V rail isnt really there to provide power, its more just for things that need a larger voltage differential.


See I cant find anywhere om the image where it says 62A... How do you figure this number?
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November 27, 2009 6:34:50 PM

Alright newegg had screwed up the image link. If you go to the table on the TP-750 it tells you the max combined current is 62A. That raidmax, take the two rails and add them for a best case scenario, that means it is at best 48A, which is at best 576W, which is only good for a 600W PSU, and incredibly bad for a 730W psu.

The corsair 750TX is a great choice for running 2 high end video cards.
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November 27, 2009 7:14:06 PM

On that raidmax PSU.
3.3v*25amps = 82.5 watts
5V*25 amps = 125 watts
714-207.5 = 506.5 watts on the 12V rails
506.5/12 = 42.2 amps combined on the 12V rails.

Simply having Raidmax on the label means I wouldnt touch it without seeing a couple good professional reviews.
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