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November 25, 2009 6:09:50 PM

Hi all !!

Im building a new pc just for gaming, will purchase next week, budget is cca 2000 $ (i live in eastern europe and pc parts are a bit more expensive)
Need everything except monitor, mouse and keyboard (will be using monitor with 1900x1200)

I was aiming at something like this:

1) CPU AMD Phenom II X4 965 BOX Black Edition 3.4GHz
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-x4-965,2389....

2) MBO Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Product...

3) 2 x DDR3 2Gb Kingmax, 1600MHz
http://www.kingmax.com/en_03_product_content.asp?sn=17

4) GPU SAPPHIRE ATI Radeon HD5870
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?psn=0...

5) HDD 1000.0 GB SAMSUNG SpinPoint F3
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/10/06/sam...

6) Power supply 850W Corsair CMPSU-850TXEU
http://www.corsair.com/products/tx/default.aspx

7) Case SHARKOON Avenger Economy-Edition
8) 3 x fans 1x 140 mm, 2x 120mm
9) DVD±RW SONY OPTIARC AD-7241S

or

everything the same as the build above except MBO Asus M4A79T Deluxe (which supports only DDR3 1333 Mhz)
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=lhJiLTN5huPfCVkW
, 2 x DDR3 Kingmax 1333 Mhz
http://www.kingmax.com/en_03_product_content.asp?sn=15
and GPU Asus ATI Radeon HD5870 (since the MBO is also Asus)
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=S3uoIY5sl5bnySMq&...

or something else

I don`t plan to overclock and maybe i will use crossfire when HD5870 prices fall a bit.

Ok, so i would like some opinions and advices on this build !!

Also, do i benefit from buying DDR3 at 1600 Mhz if the CPU fsb is at 1333 Mhz ?
Is it better to have MBO and GPU from the same manufactor (eg. Asus) ??
And the last question :kaola: 
Does it pay off to buy power supply Corsair HX850W ( http://www.corsair.com/products/hx850/default.aspx ) which is apparently better than Corsair CMPSU-850TXEU ( http://www.corsair.com/products/tx/default.aspx ) ?
I mean, is it worth the extra cash ?? One more thing, this Corsair power supplyes are "SLi ready" and i plan using crossfire. Is that an issue ??

Sorry for bothering with many questions and sorry for my bad english :wahoo: 



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November 25, 2009 6:39:43 PM

About your components: looks great, but your case isn't that great. Get an Antec case like the 300 or a coolermaster one like the 690.

I've heard very few good things about Kingmax, so get a good brand product I'd say (Corsair, Kingston, Crucial,..)

Questions:
-There is very little, if any, benefit in getting 1600 over 1333MHz
-It doesn't matter what brand your GPU is. The Sapphire, Asus, Gigabyte, XFX and any other brand name 5870 is identical. As such, any brand will work just as good. Get Asus if you like, but it's not better at all.
-Not really. There might be a slight difference, but both are good enough. No, it doesn't matter that it says SLI ready. It means the PSU supports dual graphics cards, but crossfire will work just as well as SLI. Nvidia probably just payed more advertising money to Corsair than ATI did :p 
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November 25, 2009 6:39:58 PM

Oh damn, I hate double posts :p 
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November 25, 2009 6:49:14 PM

For two 5870s a Corsair TX750 PSU will be plenty, especially with no overclocking. The HX850 has 6 pcie cables and is designed for three large graphics cards. SLI ready is meaningless on power supplies, as long as the PSU has enough amperage on the 12V rails and enough PCIE power cables it will work for either.

There is not much difference between DDR3-1333 and DDR3-1600. You are probably better off with 1333 and a lower CAS number (like 7).
November 26, 2009 12:26:49 AM

Thanx for the replies ! They`ve been very helpful :) 

That Antec 300 case looks great and, yeah, the 750w PSU should be enough really.

Could someone recommend one MBO between Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P ( http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Product [...] uctID=3005 ) and Asus M4A79T Deluxe (http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=lhJiLTN5huPfCVkW ) for the AMD phenom II x4 965 ?? :??: 

As for the memory; is it crucial to buy the exact model (one of many) that is listed in the MBO Qualified Vendors List for memory manufactorers. I ask this because im having a hard time finding the exact model from that list. What i would like is 4 GB (2x2) DDR 3 1600 or 1333 Mhz that would run in dual channel and that list deprives me of options (because here where i live there aren`t really all models available).
Basically what im asking is if i buy for example 2x2 GB kit of Corsair DDR-3 1600 Mhz, will it work in dual chanel at 1333 Mhz on either Asus and Gigabyte MBO that i mentioned ?
November 26, 2009 12:29:49 AM

I'm just wondering, what's the price of.. let's say i7 920?
November 26, 2009 2:23:09 AM

^ is that a real question?
November 26, 2009 2:54:12 AM

Yes, I'm curious how much more expensive it is in eastern Europe.
November 26, 2009 3:14:44 AM

Is that in $ or €?
November 26, 2009 4:29:13 AM

i recommend getting a

i7 920
asus p6t
possibly 6gb of ddr3 1333 ram
maybe a hd5850
November 26, 2009 4:33:10 AM

its $289
November 27, 2009 4:21:29 AM

1898 said:
I'm just wondering, what's the price of.. let's say i7 920?



Sorry for the late reply ! :D 

Here in Croatia its around 400$
November 27, 2009 4:31:36 AM

MrDrift said:
i recommend getting a

i7 920
asus p6t
possibly 6gb of ddr3 1333 ram
maybe a hd5850



That`s more than i can afford :( 

I am curious however, how much would this build outperform my AMD based build from the first post, in your opinion ?? (roughly in %)
The question is for everyone, not just MrDrift ! :) 
November 27, 2009 4:41:34 AM

with a 2000 dollar budget u can do better than AMD :p 
November 27, 2009 4:53:26 AM

Here where i live i can`t get a i7 920 on a 2000$ budget...
...i could go with i5 750 on my budget but i don`t know if that`s a better buy ?
November 27, 2009 5:32:43 AM

i5 is a much better buy
November 27, 2009 6:13:25 AM

metapren said:
Sorry for the late reply ! :D 

Here in Croatia its around 400$


That's f much!
Do you have any link to a Croatian online shop? Would make it easier.
Or ever considered buying your parts in Austria? That would save you lots of money!
November 27, 2009 8:11:27 AM

metapren said:
That`s more than i can afford :( 

I am curious however, how much would this build outperform my AMD based build from the first post, in your opinion ?? (roughly in %)
The question is for everyone, not just MrDrift ! :) 


The i7 build beats the AMD build by not that much,
i got the benchmark from
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=47&p2=102
November 27, 2009 1:38:59 PM

1898 said:
That's f much!
Do you have any link to a Croatian online shop? Would make it easier.
Or ever considered buying your parts in Austria? That would save you lots of money!


I thought about ordering from Austria or Germany but with the taxes and shipping the price would be high as in Croatia !
Also, if something breaks down i have to ship it back...

Here is the link on Croatian online shop but it`s in croatian : http://www.links.hr/

Thanks for your help ! ;)  Much appreciated !





November 27, 2009 2:23:32 PM


  • CPU INTEL Core i5 750 BOX, s. 1156, 2.66MHz, 9MB cache, 64 bit, QuadCore
  • MBO GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4, iP55, DDR3, zvuk, G-LAN, S-ATA, RAID, PCI-E, mATX, s. 1156
  • VGA PCI-E XFX ATI RADEON HD 5870, 1GB DDR5, HDMI, DP, DualDVI, HDTV + igra Dirt2
  • RAM PC-10600, G.SKILL DDR3 series, F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT, DDR3 1333MHz, kit 2x2GB
  • HDD 1000.0 GB SAMSUNG SpinPoint F3, SATA, 32MB cache, 7200 okr./min, za desktop
  • DVD±RW SONY OPTIARC AD-7240S, 24x, crna, SATA, Dual layer, DVD-RAM, bulk
  • Napajanje 850W, CORSAIR TX series CMPSU-850TXEU, ATX2 v2.2, 140mm vent.
    8.263,00 KN ~$1682.67

    Case and fans excluded.


    I think that's pretty good.
    November 27, 2009 2:31:58 PM

    Actually, get this RAM
    November 27, 2009 2:54:28 PM

    Managed to make a i7 build for just the right budget (ok, monitor will have to wait :D  )

    CPU INTEL Core i7 920 BOX
    http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37147&processor=i7...

    MBO ASUS P6T SE
    http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=t4yhK6y9W9o7iQ9E&...

    DDR3 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws series 1333Mhz CAS 7-7-7-21-2N , F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH
    http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=223

    GPU SAPPHIRE ATI Radeon HD5870

    PSU CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-750TX 750w

    HDD 1000 GB WESTERN DIGITAL Caviar Black, SATA, 32MB cache

    Case ANTEC THREE HUNDRED-EU

    Cost 1965$

    I would like to hear some opinions especially for the MBO and RAM
    Is it Asus P6T SE as good as the regular P6T?
    and this G.SKILL memory, although it has the desired low latency and is pretty much the closest model that i found in my country, is not on the motherboards Memory Qualified Vendors List (QVL) :fou: 
    November 27, 2009 2:57:07 PM

    1898 said:
  • CPU INTEL Core i5 750 BOX, s. 1156, 2.66MHz, 9MB cache, 64 bit, QuadCore
  • MBO GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4, iP55, DDR3, zvuk, G-LAN, S-ATA, RAID, PCI-E, mATX, s. 1156
  • VGA PCI-E XFX ATI RADEON HD 5870, 1GB DDR5, HDMI, DP, DualDVI, HDTV + igra Dirt2
  • RAM PC-10600, G.SKILL DDR3 series, F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT, DDR3 1333MHz, kit 2x2GB
  • HDD 1000.0 GB SAMSUNG SpinPoint F3, SATA, 32MB cache, 7200 okr./min, za desktop
  • DVD±RW SONY OPTIARC AD-7240S, 24x, crna, SATA, Dual layer, DVD-RAM, bulk
  • Napajanje 850W, CORSAIR TX series CMPSU-850TXEU, ATX2 v2.2, 140mm vent.
    8.263,00 KN ~$1682.67

    Case and fans excluded.


    I think that's pretty good.


  • Heey, just saw this !
    Thanx a lot mate :) 

    But i am willing to spend the extra $ on the i7 build if its worth it !
    November 27, 2009 7:51:30 PM

    yea and you ddo not need a 850 watt psu , for that card you wouldnt even need it if you Xfire 2 5870's
    November 28, 2009 1:57:48 AM

    metapren said:
    Managed to make a i7 build for just the right budget (ok, monitor will have to wait :D  )

    CPU INTEL Core i7 920 BOX
    http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37147&processor=i7...

    MBO ASUS P6T SE
    http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=t4yhK6y9W9o7iQ9E&...

    DDR3 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws series 1333Mhz CAS 7-7-7-21-2N , F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH
    http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=223

    GPU SAPPHIRE ATI Radeon HD5870

    PSU CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-750TX 750w

    HDD 1000 GB WESTERN DIGITAL Caviar Black, SATA, 32MB cache

    Case ANTEC THREE HUNDRED-EU

    Cost 1965$

    I would like to hear some opinions especially for the MBO and RAM
    Is it Asus P6T SE as good as the regular P6T?
    and this G.SKILL memory, although it has the desired low latency and is pretty much the closest model that i found in my country, is not on the motherboards Memory Qualified Vendors List (QVL) :fou: 


    I dont think you should get the ASUS P6T SE,
    I have heard bad things from my friend about it

    November 28, 2009 2:50:27 AM

    MrDrift said:
    I dont think you should get the ASUS P6T SE,
    I have heard bad things from my friend about it


    About the SE model or P6T in general ?
    November 28, 2009 2:52:55 AM

    Im talking about the SE model.


    the P6T is pretty cool, especially with the 3 PCI express slots
    November 28, 2009 3:14:42 AM

    Don't worry about the qualified vendors list, i was doing the same thing as you, tryin to find ram on that list and i was told don't worry about. Just make sure the voltage is good. i'm not sure about the i7 but for the i5 i needed 1.65V

    EDIT : here i did the work for you, straight from the QVL from ASUS website for P6T board

    "- According to Intel CPU spec, DIMMs with voltage requirement over 1.65V may damage the CPU permanently. We recommend you install the DIMMs with the voltage requirement below 1.65V."
    November 28, 2009 3:27:12 AM

    MrDrift said:
    Im talking about the SE model.


    the P6T is pretty cool, especially for the 3 PCI express slots


    Great then, cause i have already changed it to P6T and found a perfect matching Corsair DDR3 for Intel Core i7 PC1600 7-7-7-20 :D 

    So my final build is..

    CPU INTEL Core i7 920 BOX
    MBO ASUS P6T
    DDR3 Corsair 3x2GB PC1600 TR3X6G1600C7D 7-7-7-20 i7
    GPU Sapphire ATI RADEON HD 5870
    PSU CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-750TX 750w
    HDD 1000 GB WESTERN DIGITAL Caviar Black, SATA, 32MB cache
    Case ANTEC THREE HUNDRED-EU
    DVD±RW LG SATA GH22LS30

    I broke my budget for cca 250$ but i don`t care, i`ve been on P4 2000Mhz & gforce 4400 for a looong time.. :sol: 

    Once again, i`m asking you to please rate my build ! :D 
    Thanx !
    November 28, 2009 3:29:52 AM

    ISH GOOOOOOOOD!!!!*^%@*&!^#%&@%#


    November 28, 2009 3:46:52 AM

    LTH80 said:
    Don't worry about the qualified vendors list, i was doing the same thing as you, tryin to find ram on that list and i was told don't worry about. Just make sure the voltage is good. i'm not sure about the i7 but for the i5 i needed 1.65V

    EDIT : here i did the work for you, straight from the QVL from ASUS website for P6T board

    "- According to Intel CPU spec, DIMMs with voltage requirement over 1.65V may damage the CPU permanently. We recommend you install the DIMMs with the voltage requirement below 1.65V."


    Thanx mate ! ;)  This Corsair RAM i found has that exact voltage of 1.65V

    I also saw that Intel voltage requirement and even BIOS on Asus P6T won`t allow voltage abolve 1.66V
    November 28, 2009 6:17:55 AM

    tahts not the corsair dominator is it ?
    November 28, 2009 7:05:38 AM

    metapren said:
    Great then, cause i have already changed it to P6T and found a perfect matching Corsair DDR3 for Intel Core i7 PC1600 7-7-7-20 :D 

    So my final build is..

    CPU INTEL Core i7 920 BOX
    MBO ASUS P6T
    DDR3 Corsair 3x2GB PC1600 TR3X6G1600C7D 7-7-7-20 i7
    GPU Sapphire ATI RADEON HD 5870
    PSU CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-750TX 750w
    HDD 1000 GB WESTERN DIGITAL Caviar Black, SATA, 32MB cache
    Case ANTEC THREE HUNDRED-EU
    DVD±RW LG SATA GH22LS30

    I broke my budget for cca 250$ but i don`t care, i`ve been on P4 2000Mhz & gforce 4400 for a looong time.. :sol: 

    Once again, i`m asking you to please rate my build ! :D 
    Thanx !



    man your build is awesome :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :pt1cable: 
    November 28, 2009 4:41:58 PM

    MrDrift said:
    man your build is awesome :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :pt1cable: 


    Thanx mate ! :D 

    Damn, i can`t wait to get it ! The last "new" game i was able to run was Half Life 2 and i`m excited like a little boy that i`ll finally be able to play Fallout 3, Starcraft 2 and so many more... :bounce: 

    Once again, thankx to everyone on this forum for all your help ! :) 
    !