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November 30, 2009 6:44:28 PM

Hi,

My computer specs are here:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00...

I have the 4200+ dual-core model. The only upgrades I've made are to go to 4 GB RAM and to install an nVidia 6600 video card. I've just ordered a new power supply (OCZ 700 watt) and am looking to upgrade the video card. I've been told the 9800 series will work with my computer but wanted to make sure. I was looking at the following video card:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Will this definitely work with my computer? Is it a good deal and is it a good price? Is there something better for a similar price? I prefer to stick with Nvidia chipsets as I've had problems with ATI. I know nothing about the newer cards as to compatability with my system. Any advice or suggestions would be really helpful.

Thanks,

Mark
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November 30, 2009 6:56:39 PM

It is a good card and will fit your slot. The only concern is that it requires 26 amps on the +12 volt rail on your psu.
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November 30, 2009 7:22:00 PM

rolli59 said:
It is a good card and will fit your slot. The only concern is that it requires 26 amps on the +12 volt rail on your psu.


That could be a problem. The PSU I ordered is only 25 amps for the +12 volt rail. I guess I need to look for something else. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark
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November 30, 2009 8:43:25 PM

What is your budget for psu? Which one did you order 25amps could be enough if it is a quality unit.
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November 30, 2009 9:54:56 PM

Newegg has that same card for $79.99 right now after rebate but you've got to hurry if you want it, it's a special, it will probably sell out soon
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November 30, 2009 10:16:55 PM

jryan388 said:
Here it is
Newegg PNY 9800gt

If you notice his link. It is in Canada so we would have to look in Canadian newegg
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November 30, 2009 10:25:47 PM

rolli59 said:
What is your budget for psu? Which one did you order 25amps could be enough if it is a quality unit.


The PSU I ordered was the OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W. It was on sale for $40 CDN after rebate. Seemed to good to pass up. The details including specs are here:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35456&promoi...

I don't know much about amps so I'm not sure if it's safe to buy this video card or look for something else. I spoke to a friend who said it's an okay deal but he's not crazy about PNY and the warranty is only 1 year. He also seemed to think that around Christmas I should be able to get a comparable card for less. I'm not that panicked and can afford to wait if a better deal comes along.

Thanks,

Mark
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November 30, 2009 10:26:21 PM

The 9800 GT doesn't really need 26 amps. In fact, it doesn't even use half that.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-radeon-powe...

It's a bit older of an article, so it doesn't have the 9800 GT specifically, however it does test an 8800 GT, which is identical in all ways to the 9800 GT except for its name.
At max load, the 8800 GT/9800 GT (1024 MB) consumes a measly 6.7 amps. The 512 MB version uses significantly less, which is puzzling, but I'm far from an expert on this sort of thing. Regardless, every single card tested consumed much less than its stated box requirements. Not even the 4870x2 used 26 amps.

If you go to http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_295_us... and look at the gtx 295's "specifications" tab and scroll down, you'll see the thermal and power section. Nvidia rates the gtx 295 at using a maximum of 289 watts. 289 watts / 12 volts = ~24.1 amps. Nvidia themselves don't even declare the gtx 295 as needing 26 amps.

I have no idea why the box requirements for the 9800 GT state 26 amps, that's just misleading and outright false. The 9800 GT truly does not need that many amps.

However, the terms "high powered" and "high quality" are not synonymous when it comes to power supplies. You can have an 800w piece of junk PSU that won't power your card, yet a good 400w PSU will. Like rolli said, if the unit you ordered is a quality one, you should be good to go.

Edit: Ninja'd

Edit 2: Re-worded second paragraph.
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November 30, 2009 10:28:14 PM

jryan388 said:
Newegg has that same card for $79.99 right now after rebate but you've got to hurry if you want it, it's a special, it will probably sell out soon


Hi,

As rolli59 pointed out, I am in Canada so shipping is cheaper if I order from a Canadian company. If I did purchase this unit from TigerDirect.ca there is a 30 day no questions asked return policy, plus there is a TigerDirect store near me. But thank you for the link. I appreciate any help anyone can give me!

Thanks,

Mark
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November 30, 2009 10:34:14 PM

Hi,

Wow, now my head is starting to spin. I originally settled on the 9800 because I didn't know if the newer cards work work with my system configuration. Now it sounds like a lot of better cards might work as well. I don't know if I should consider another card. My friend doesn't think PNY is all that great so I'm not sure if I should look for something else. Thank you so much for all the info. It gives me a lot to think about!

Thanks,

Mark


efeat said:
The 9800 GT doesn't really need 26 amps. In fact, it doesn't even use
half that.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-radeon-powe...

It's a bit older of an article, so it doesn't have the 9800 GT specifically, however it does test an 8800 GT, which is identical in all ways to the 9800 GT except for its name.
At max load, the 8800 GT/9800 GT (1024 MB) consumes a measly 6.7 amps. The 512 MB version uses significantly less - so much less that I am not certain about these specific results. Nevertheless, across the board we see every single graphics card using far less than what its packaging calls for. Hell, not even the 4870x2 used 26 amps.

If you go to http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_295_us... and look at the gtx 295's "specifications" tab and scroll down, you'll see the thermal and power section. Nvidia rates the gtx 295 at using a maximum of 289 watts. 289 watts / 12 volts = ~24.1 amps. Nvidia themselves don't even declare the gtx 295 as needing 26 amps.

I have no idea why the box requirements for the 9800 GT state 26 amps, that's just misleading and outright false. The 9800 GT truly does not need that many amps.

However, the terms "high powered" and "high quality" are not synonymous when it comes to power supplies. You can have an 800w piece of junk PSU that won't power your card, yet a good 400w PSU will. Like rolli said, if the unit you ordered is a quality one, you should be good to go.

Edit: Ninja'd

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November 30, 2009 10:36:42 PM

newmanm said:
The PSU I ordered was the OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W. It was on sale for $40 CDN after rebate. Seemed to good to pass up. The details including specs are here:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35456&promoi...

I don't know much about amps so I'm not sure if it's safe to buy this video card or look for something else. I spoke to a friend who said it's an okay deal but he's not crazy about PNY and the warranty is only 1 year. He also seemed to think that around Christmas I should be able to get a comparable card for less. I'm not that panicked and can afford to wait if a better deal comes along.

Thanks,

Mark

That psu is plenty it actually has more than 1 25amp +12 volt rail it has 2 great buy for 40 CDN
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November 30, 2009 10:40:01 PM

rolli59 said:
That psu is plenty it actually has more than 25amp +12 volt rail great buy for 40 CDN


Indeed. That's a great deal for that PSU. It won't power a pair of 5970s, but it'll run anything reasonable you stick in your case.
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November 30, 2009 10:40:43 PM

Hi,

You're right, it is cheaper I'm just not sure if: a) the card will work with my PSU and b) if this is a card worth getting. As I said earlier, my friend isn't high on PNY (although maybe others think they are good). I'm getting so much information now that I'm not sure what to do now. I'd like to get a good card that will be compatible with my system. I don't know if the newer generation of cards will work with my computer. Until I know for certain that a card will work for me and isn't junk I won't make the purchase. If you guys are confident this card will work and is a good deal then I will strongly consider it. Thanks to all you guys - you're being very helpful!

Mark


rolli59 said:
They actually are cheaper than tiger direct after rebate. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

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November 30, 2009 10:45:26 PM

Hi,

So based on my computer specs (which I linked to at the top of the page) and the new PSU, what kind of video cards do you think I should be looking at? I was looking to spend around $100-$120 if there is a good deal but of course cheaper is always better! Any suggestions you could make would be great!

Thanks,

Mark

rolli59 said:
That psu is plenty it actually has more than 1 25amp +12 volt rail it has 2 great buy for 40 CDN

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November 30, 2009 10:47:14 PM

Hi,

So do you think I should stick with the 9800 or is there something better in the $100-120 dollar range? My computer's specs are linked to at the top of the page. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark


efeat said:
Indeed. That's a great deal for that PSU. It won't power a pair of 5970s, but it'll run anything reasonable you stick in your case.

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a c 1410 U Graphics card
November 30, 2009 10:55:50 PM

With your current cpu x2 4200+ I would not buy anything faster than HD4770, HD4830/50 or HD5750 from ATI on the gforce side 9800GT/9800GTX+/250GTS. Anything faster would not be able to run at full potential because of the CPU limit.
I am actually running a 8800GT (predecessor to 9800GT) with a Opteron 170 dual core @2.2ghz (socket 939) at 1680x1050 and I am happy with it it plays games like AssassinĀ“s Creed and Bioshock just fine. Then again I have not tried Crysis.
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November 30, 2009 11:24:19 PM

I saw this card in best buy and couldn't figure out the 26amp reqiurement. The card does not even require an external power connector, but some cards that did require an external connector stated a requirement of less than 26 amps.
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December 1, 2009 12:14:12 AM

rolli59 said:
With your current cpu x2 4200+ I would not buy anything faster than HD4770, HD4830/50 or HD5750 from ATI on the gforce side 9800GT/9800GTX+/250GTS. Anything faster would not be able to run at full potential because of the CPU limit.


Well said. Top end video cards would spend a lot of their time just waiting for the old 4200+ to feed them data. OP, Stick with one of the cards rolli listed, any of them would perform well for you and anything more would be a waste. The Radeon 4770 for $116 or (if you want a little more oomph) the Radeon 4850 for $126 would be my recommendations.
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December 1, 2009 12:17:11 AM

Hi,

I was wondering if there were cards that might be overkill with my CPU. Thanks for the link to the chart comparing the cards - it's very useful. I see that the 9800GTX and the 250GTS are a couple of steps above the 9800GT. Would the 250GTS even be compatible with my system? I'm not sure if the newer cards will even work with my computer. If not I guess I can decide between the 9800GT and 9800GTX depending on the price difference. Either way, it sounds like I will be getting a good card that will run on my system. As I've indicated earlier I'm a noob at this and don't want to get stuck with a card that either isn't compatible with my system or is a piece of junk.

Thanks,

Mark


rolli59 said:
With your current cpu x2 4200+ I would not buy anything faster than HD4770, HD4830/50 or HD5750 from ATI on the gforce side 9800GT/9800GTX+/250GTS. Anything faster would not be able to run at full potential because of the CPU limit.
I am actually running a 8800GT (predecessor to 9800GT) with a Opteron 170 dual core @2.2ghz (socket 939) at 1680x1050 and I am happy with it it plays games like AssassinĀ“s Creed and Bioshock just fine. Then again I have not tried Crysis.

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a c 1410 U Graphics card
December 1, 2009 12:19:52 AM

You are welcome.
Any of those cards would make for a balanced system so grab the best deal you can find!
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December 1, 2009 12:22:55 AM

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm more comfortable with the nVidia chipset as I've never had a problem with them and I've had bad luck with ATI cards. The 9800GT/GTX+and 250GTS are cards that I will look into. It sounds like regardless of which card I choose it should provide good results. The only question is value for the money. If I can find a good deal on the higher end cards I would go with one of them. If not then I'll go with the 9800GT.

Thanks,

Mark


efeat said:
Well said. Top end video cards would spend a lot of their time just waiting for the old 4200+ to feed them data. OP, Stick with one of the cards rolli listed, any of them would perform well for you and anything more would be a waste. The Radeon 4770 for $116 or (if you want a little more oomph) the Radeon 4850 for $126 would be my recommendations.

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December 1, 2009 12:24:14 AM

Would the 250 still be compatible with my system? I'm not familiar with the newer cards.

Thanks,

Mark


rolli59 said:
You are welcome.
Any of those cards would make for a balanced system so grab the best deal you can find!

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a c 1410 U Graphics card
December 1, 2009 12:36:17 AM

It is basically an energy efficient 9800GTX+ some of them actually are fiscally smaller than the 9800 cards.
Yes it will fit your system!
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December 1, 2009 12:51:26 AM

Thanks, that's really what I wanted to know! Tomorrow I'm going to due some research on all 3 cards and see what I can find. Enough for today, I need to let this all sink in.

Thanks so much for all your help,

Mark


rolli59 said:
It is basically an energy efficient 9800GTX+ some of them actually are fiscally smaller than the 9800 cards.
Yes it will fit your system!

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December 23, 2009 3:38:00 AM

efeat said:
The 9800 GT doesn't really need 26 amps. In fact, it doesn't even use half that.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-radeon-powe...

It's a bit older of an article, so it doesn't have the 9800 GT specifically, however it does test an 8800 GT, which is identical in all ways to the 9800 GT except for its name.
At max load, the 8800 GT/9800 GT (1024 MB) consumes a measly 6.7 amps. The 512 MB version uses significantly less, which is puzzling, but I'm far from an expert on this sort of thing. Regardless, every single card tested consumed much less than its stated box requirements. Not even the 4870x2 used 26 amps.

If you go to http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_295_us... and look at the gtx 295's "specifications" tab and scroll down, you'll see the thermal and power section. Nvidia rates the gtx 295 at using a maximum of 289 watts. 289 watts / 12 volts = ~24.1 amps. Nvidia themselves don't even declare the gtx 295 as needing 26 amps.

I have no idea why the box requirements for the 9800 GT state 26 amps, that's just misleading and outright false. The 9800 GT truly does not need that many amps.

However, the terms "high powered" and "high quality" are not synonymous when it comes to power supplies. You can have an 800w piece of junk PSU that won't power your card, yet a good 400w PSU will. Like rolli said, if the unit you ordered is a quality one, you should be good to go.

Edit: Ninja'd

Edit 2: Re-worded second paragraph.




I just wanted to state that the 26 amp requirement is not the amount that the card actually uses, but is an estimate of how much power the Entire System would need in order to function properly. And it just depends how many amps the psu has, i'm pretty sure the psu he stated before had more then 1 12V rail, being at 700W it should. In fact, i just looked it up, it had 2 12V rails. The OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W has 46 available ampage on the 12V rail. And really how you say

2028764,10,339141However, the terms "high powered" and "high quality" are not synonymous when it comes to power supplies. You can have an 800w piece of junk PSU that won't power your card, yet a good 400w PSU will. Like rolli said, if the unit you ordered is a quality one, you should be good to go.[/quotemsg said:


That is an extreme over exageration. A 800W PSU gives out more amps then a 400W. Noone would sell an 800W PSU with 25% efficiency. I don't really wanna point out everything you said that was wrong but, if anyone has any questions about PSU's just send me a message.
It is wise to only give out information that you now about, and to ask questions when you are unsure, this is how you learn and gain more knowledge over time.
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