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November 27, 2009 4:36:34 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: next two weeks

SYSTEM USAGE:
I'm a professional photographer, so my priority is Lightroom usage then Photoshop, after that, some light video editing, but I'm not intending to use the system for gaming

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1200

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ALREADY PURCHASED/RE-USED PARTS:

OS Windows 7 Home 64-bit
Dual booting with Ubuntu Linux (if possible--not an absolute priority)

PSU (re-used): CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W
(don't know if it's enough wattage)

HDD's: 2x Intel x-m g2 80GB SSD (one for the OS Win7 64-bit... the other for the Lightroom Catalogue/scratch disk) & 3-5 7200RPM SATA backup drives

DVD drives:
2 separate PATA burners (one plextor, one samsung, I think)

CPU Cooler:
COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler

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PARTS I'M SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING:

CPU ($280)
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

MOBO ($140) - I need more than 6 SATA ports
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

RAM ($190)
G.SKILL Trident 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-16000CL9T-6GBTD - Retail

GPU ($60)
EVGA 01G-P3-N964-LR GeForce 9600 GSO 1GB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Retail

I don't have too much time to compare/check many different configurations (tight schedule), so I'd prefer to stick to the easy road as much as possible :-). Please feel free to suggest any system tweaks. I don't want to go much higher than my present budget (price estimates included above) & I'm hoping to overclock above 3GHz but below 3.6--we'll see.
November 27, 2009 6:16:43 PM

Lets start with your mobo and cpu, first thing is they dont work together the mobo is s1156 and the cpu is for a s1366 mobo

I would say a s1156 with a i7 860 would be a good way to go

November 27, 2009 6:37:24 PM

hmmm, yes, missed that...

OK, yes, change out the 920, for the 860 (thanks!)--I guess that means dual channel RAM then too (?)

Any other suggestions?
Related resources
November 27, 2009 7:12:33 PM




SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814102864
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
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$164.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... dx11 gpu ATI HD 5770 dx11 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446... http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/eyefinity/P... < THIS MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE FOR PHOTOWORK .
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OCZ Diesel 4GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive Model OCZUSBDSL4G - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227331
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$13.99 Saving $13.99
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GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128405
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
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-$5.00 Instant $109.99
$104.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Grate mobo for 109.00 and good for OCing under 4 gigs http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3652



Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115214
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
-$15.00 Instant $289.99
$274.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... i7 860 review http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...
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RAM CL7 1600 DDR3 8 gigs http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Ram will help alot with rendering, went with this ram for the low CL and low profile so it wont be a problem with a aftermarket HSF like the CM v8

November 27, 2009 11:19:44 PM

Thanks so much for your reply.

Only surprise is the GPU which is more on the expensive side (I don't think Photoshop/Lightroom needs a very powerful GPU).

With a less expensive GPU, would it be worth using the cash on other components?
November 27, 2009 11:25:42 PM

You'll need a non TN panel monitor to get any level of color accuracy...... entry point is Dell U2410 (IPS Panel) ... if spending more ...... visit Eizo and be prepared for sticker shock :) 
November 27, 2009 11:53:58 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
You'll need a non TN panel monitor to get any level of color accuracy...... entry point is Dell U2410 (IPS Panel) ... if spending more ...... visit Eizo and be prepared for sticker shock :) 


Indeed... I'm with a Dell 24" at the mo & it's serving me sufficiently. One day when it dies, I might go the Eizo direction--but I'm mainly concentrating on the raw processing power of the tower at the mo.

My present tower is a Core 2 Duo E6750 on a Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R, running XP with 2GB RAM (DDR2 800 CL4), and separate striping RAID arrays for the OS & Lightroom catalogue. I'm hoping to double the speed, especially with the addition of the Intel X-M SSD's.

Any other speed tweaks?
November 27, 2009 11:56:58 PM

medoomi said:
Thanks so much for your reply.

Only surprise is the GPU which is more on the expensive side (I don't think Photoshop/Lightroom needs a very powerful GPU).

With a less expensive GPU, would it be worth using the cash on other components?


You are right you really dont need a fast GPU for photoshop programs, less you are doing 3D stuff or CAD work or games your fine with any GPU that suports your monitors rez and has the right connection for your monitors if you use more then one.


Also look for combos deals, and if you live by a microcenter you can pick up the i7 860 for 229.99 walk in only


BTW I picked that card for an all around balanced system with DX11 to match your OS and for future programs that might use DX11

Also i dont see a budget :) 
November 28, 2009 1:45:07 AM

Niklas_13 said:
Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115214
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
-$15.00 Instant $289.99
$274.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... i7 860 review http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...


or http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/436215?tstart=0 especially http://forums.adobe.com/thread/427772

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Photoshop/11.0/WSfd1234e1c4...
November 28, 2009 10:52:47 AM

Niklas_13 said:
My post above ^ point out about the grate deals microcenter has on there CPUs, to get that deal tho its walk in only


indeed, I saw the deal on the i7 920 also at microcenter--something insane like $220, but I'm in upstate New York, so can't get to a walk in :-(.

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Budget? I'm hoping to re-use parts, so that gets complicated, but for:
CPU
Mobo
RAM
GPU
I'm expecting to spend around $650 (wouldn't mind spending a bit less though)

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So at the mo, I'm looking at:

CPU:
Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

Mobo (micro?--maybe a bit tight)
GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

RAM:
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV4GK - Retail

GPU (mainly because it's cheaper & I'm thinking I don't need huge power--just photo/video rendering @1900x1200)
EVGA 01G-P3-N964-LR GeForce 9600 GSO 1GB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
November 28, 2009 11:08:29 AM

A few thoughts:
- Your main considerations are going to be fast processor and fast HDD access then large quantity of RAM.

- If you are happy to overclock, take the lower model processor and overclock it rather than buy a more expensive one. It could be argued that there is more headroom in an higher spec processor - but probably not that you'll notice after an overclock.
- Ensure you use a decent cooler.

- NVidia supports CUDA for CS4, not sure if this is your version or not. You definately should look at the "green team" for additional rendering power. Check the NVidia website for details.
-There seems little point in a DX11 graphics card (ATi 5000 series) at this point as you are not gaming and nothing else is making use of the new DX in the short term.

- 2x2Gb RAM modules will allow for further extension at a later date. If there is remaining money in your budget you may want to go for 8Gb straight off.

November 28, 2009 11:19:07 AM

From the looks of mwave's listing, the EVGA graphics card does suport cuda, so that's good.

If I went for 8GB RAM straight off, and overclocked the i7 860 with the coolermaster V8 I have listed above, are there any other tweaks I should consider for speed?
November 28, 2009 12:31:27 PM

See if you can find out what CS4 recommends you use for graphics accelleration. It's probably worth a good boost if you use the right cards. NB: Any NVidia card will support CUDA regardless of manufacturer - pick on price!

Edit: Cards applicable for graphics acceleration in photoshop: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/405/kb405711.html

My earlier thought was to save money by overclocking a i5 750. You can probably overclock the 750 and 860 almost equally. At 4GHz for example you really won't notice the 750/860 difference. (except you'll have more change in your pocket...)
November 28, 2009 2:36:14 PM

You might want to stick to the i7 860 the i5 750 dont have HT

Adobe Photoshop CS4 Performance
To measure performance under Photoshop CS4 we turn to the Retouch Artists’ Speed Test. The test does basic photo editing; there are a couple of color space conversions, many layer creations, color curve adjustment, image and canvas size adjustment, unsharp mask, and finally a gaussian blur performed on the entire image.

The whole process is timed and thanks to the use of Intel's X25-M SSD as our test bed hard drive, performance is far more predictable than back when we used to test on mechanical disks.

Time is reported in seconds and the lower numbers mean better performance. The test is multithreaded and can hit all four cores in a quad-core machine.



While the Core i5 750 couldn't beat the i7 920, the 860 can. Thanks to Hyper Threading and a higher base clock speed, Lynnfield proves to be an able performer.




You can OC them the same sure but the i5 750 still dont have HT
November 28, 2009 2:41:07 PM

medoomi said:
indeed, I saw the deal on the i7 920 also at microcenter--something insane like $220, but I'm in upstate New York, so can't get to a walk in :-(.

-------------------------------
Budget? I'm hoping to re-use parts, so that gets complicated, but for:
CPU
Mobo
RAM
GPU
I'm expecting to spend around $650 (wouldn't mind spending a bit less though)

-------------------------------
So at the mo, I'm looking at:

CPU:
Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

Mobo (micro?--maybe a bit tight)
GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

RAM:
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV4GK - Retail

GPU (mainly because it's cheaper & I'm thinking I don't need huge power--just photo/video rendering @1900x1200)
EVGA 01G-P3-N964-LR GeForce 9600 GSO 1GB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP


If the mobo dont have the features you need then yes get a differnt one

November 28, 2009 2:58:56 PM

Niklas_13 said:
If the mobo dont have the features you need then yes get a differnt one


the mobo has the features I need. I just don't know how to measure up the space requirements for the V8 cooler against the ram slots (I'll probably go with 8GB RAM, so I won't be able to free up any).

By the way, thanks for the help you've all been giving!
November 28, 2009 3:24:16 PM

Come to think of it i dont think the CM-V8 will fit the s1156 anyways thats for a s1366 This HSF gets recomened alot http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... I myself used my old Xiggy Drak Knight off my 775 build, hade to call them for the new brackets tho.


As for the ram, i said in the other post i think to use low profile ram if going with 8 gigs so the heat speeders on the ram dont get in the way
November 28, 2009 3:37:56 PM

Very good point, I stand correct niklas - use a processor that has hyperthreading.

On coolers, I use an Xigmatek which is very good.
November 28, 2009 4:10:05 PM

Niklas_13 said:
Come to think of it i dont think the CM-V8 will fit the s1156 anyways thats for a s1366


Bummer--you're right. Oh well, I guess that answers my Q about space :-)
November 30, 2009 12:58:18 PM

Niklas_13 said:
Found a bracket if you like to keep that V8 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


That's superb... thanks :-).

Back to the original question then, if I fill all 4 RAM slots, do you think I'm going to have trouble with the V8? (I can't really tell by comparing the pics...)
November 30, 2009 9:15:15 PM

Cool, yes, when I also checked the reviews of the V8 on newegg, most people were saying it doesn't interfere too much...

Now comes the hard part--overclocking the system once it's in...

Thanks so much for the input you've given
December 18, 2009 11:59:58 PM

OK, so I've got the system up and running. Install went smoothly enough.

However, I've had two bluescreens so far without overclocking, so my first question is what's the best place to get some accurate minidump readings.

I'm guessing it's the RAM. The Mobo had it at 1.5 V, and running at 1066, so I upped it to 1.64V & 1600 (it BSOD's at 1600). The only other guess is that it could come from some Intel G25-M's that I'm running on the Windows AHCI controllers (the Intel iastor driver doesn't support TRIM yet).

Anyways, I'll start with getting a read on the minidumps: any suggestions where's a good place?
December 19, 2009 1:40:48 AM

for dump-files ( try a search for .dmp )

Did you update the bios ? or you on F3 ?

Download new mobo chipset drivers etc

Yes make sure you set your ram speed and Volts right ( not all mobos will set it to the right specs )

I have my ram @ 1440 because i am OCing my CPU to 3.6 so i have the cpu set to 180x20 rams @ 180x8



December 19, 2009 2:07:04 AM

Yes, updated to F5 & newest INF/audio driver

by search for .dmp, you mean google? It just seems a bit of a hit & miss for people who can actually read minidumps

Thx for the tip about RAM speed too :-).
December 19, 2009 3:09:17 AM

Also download memtest86+ ver 4.0 or newer ( make a ISO CD, change your boot order in bios to First boot cd/dvd with the cd in reboot and run it over night to check for memory errors
December 19, 2009 11:01:35 AM

yep, just finished an overnight Memtest86+, and the standard RAM test checked out fine (bummer--if it was RAM, it would be easier to solve)

I'll head off to sevenforums on Monday--hopefully I'll have three minidumps by then (it seems to stay stable for a day & a half) & see what they say.

Thanks again.
December 19, 2009 4:10:29 PM

I have only had one BSOD, That's when i tried to mess with OCing my CPU

I have had app-hangs tho, but after going to ( msconfig ) Services and turning everything off but MS services and start-up turning all off but my MS stuff and GPU control panel and sound ( all is fine )

Also If you are using AV I heard Win7 is picky about it, maybe try to uninstall any AV for a few days to test ( I use MSE ATM without problems ) http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/



December 19, 2009 4:56:45 PM

hmm, no antivirus at the mo (I tend to re-image the HDD monthly from an encrypted copy anyways)

I'll go through msconfig to narrow down active services soon too (I like to keep things to a minimum), but I did notice that windows firewall was running while I have zonealarm active too, so don't know if that's a conflict. When you went through it, were you diagnostically switching services off (must have taken a while).

Hopefully the minidumps will point the same direction :-)
December 19, 2009 5:17:57 PM

not really there was only like 7 services and 8 or 9 start-ups besides MS ones ( just don't turn off MS ones )
December 19, 2009 7:11:48 PM

ahah--I see what you mean. I didn't have the check box ticked to hide MS ones & I didn't recognise which were which (there were about fifty of them :-) )

Great--that's a far easier way of getting unnecessary services disabled (I used to use spybot, but I don't think it shows as many)

Thanks again.
December 19, 2009 7:19:44 PM

By the way, here's the beast before it went in the box :-)


December 19, 2009 7:36:27 PM

Looks sweet :) 
December 22, 2009 2:07:42 AM

Hi there :)  you got a reply on the win 7 board did you look into it ? just thought i would let you know because i dont think a e mail is sent when you get a post :) 
December 22, 2009 4:52:21 AM

Hi & thanks for letting me know.

yes, so the minidumps both point to memory... So, I guess I'll need to run memtest longer till I see it crack & then RMA it?

It'll be a while before I'll be able to do it as I'm with family at the mo, but do you have any other suggestions?
December 23, 2009 12:31:14 AM

I looked @ your specs and you went with the OCZ plat ram did you get the one for I5/I7 with the lower volts 1.65 or the 1.7 volt kit ?

You don't want to put to much volts on the ram 1.65 is max i think mines @ 1.64
December 24, 2009 4:19:25 PM

I should probably post this in the over-clocking forum, but I wanted to get some ideas together for overclocking once the system is stable.

@niklas_13
this might be taking the shortcut, but I'm not sure why you went for 180x20 for the CPU & then 1440Ghz for the ram. Was this simply because doing 1620Ghz for the RAM (9x180) would overclock the RAM?
I'm a complete noob with overclocking, but thought it would be good to know where to aim when I actually get to doing the overclock.
I'm guessing that you went with 180 for the CPU (getting this as high as possible), then tuned the RAM to an even multiple of this later on, as high as you could go--was that the general idea?

Thanks.
January 7, 2010 7:28:32 PM

I'm wondering if anyone has any insight on whether memory bluescreens can be caused by flaky power supplies.

A few days ago, the powersupply I was using (Corsair VX550) completely died. After playing with it for a while, it came back to life, but I'm assuming it's on its way out. I've since replaced it with a Seasonic M12D (750 Watts), but I'm wondering if perhaps the bluescreens I was seeing initially could be related to an unreliable power source.

Any thoughts?
January 17, 2010 2:44:23 AM

medoomi said:
I should probably post this in the over-clocking forum, but I wanted to get some ideas together for overclocking once the system is stable.

@niklas_13
this might be taking the shortcut, but I'm not sure why you went for 180x20 for the CPU & then 1440Ghz for the ram. Was this simply because doing 1620Ghz for the RAM (9x180) would overclock the RAM?
I'm a complete noob with overclocking, but thought it would be good to know where to aim when I actually get to doing the overclock.
I'm guessing that you went with 180 for the CPU (getting this as high as possible), then tuned the RAM to an even multiple of this later on, as high as you could go--was that the general idea?

Thanks.


I am sorry i didnt see a email you posted back

Yes that's right because i didn't want to OC the ram + with the ram @ a lower speed i get 7-6-6-20 CL

January 17, 2010 2:46:26 AM

medoomi said:
I'm wondering if anyone has any insight on whether memory bluescreens can be caused by flaky power supplies.

A few days ago, the powersupply I was using (Corsair VX550) completely died. After playing with it for a while, it came back to life, but I'm assuming it's on its way out. I've since replaced it with a Seasonic M12D (750 Watts), but I'm wondering if perhaps the bluescreens I was seeing initially could be related to an unreliable power source.

Any thoughts?


I would think so, If the PSU is not giving the right power to the MOBO it could not feed the ram the volts it needs to be stable

January 17, 2010 2:47:23 AM

So did you get the BSOD worked out ? what became of the minidumps ?
January 17, 2010 4:21:51 AM

Hi, I just noticed your replies. Thanks again :-).

I also posted on the OCZ forum to check about a flaky PSU & they said the same as you, that it could eaisly have caused the BSOD's.

But on the positive side (& to answer your question), yes, I haven't seen any BSOD's since I switched to a new power supply (Corsair honored their warranty whihc was great, but I switched to a different PSU because I needed my computer working).

I'll be off to the overclocking forum to see what the CPU is capable of in the next week or so :-)
January 17, 2010 4:51:40 AM

Sounds good hope you get many good years out of it :) 

Grate PSU if you do happen to need a new one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... the Corsair should be good also maybe just a bad apple, it happens

GL with the OCing just watch temps dont need any smoke coming out of the case :) 
January 17, 2010 6:15:05 PM

That's hilarious--the Seasonic 750 is the one I went with, so should last pretty well.

& yes, no smoke would be good :-)
January 17, 2010 9:48:30 PM


Please indicate what you ended up with for your final build. I am putting together a similar system for Photoshop.

Specifically, are you happy with your GPU choice? Can Photoshop take advantage of if?

Thanks!

Mike
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