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Liquid cooling 'everthing' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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May 15, 2012 8:16:25 AM

I am planning on liquid cooling :
4x GPU
1x CPU
8x RAM (4 on either side of the CPU)
+ Chipset

I am cosidering Cosmos II chassis.

For CPU+Ram+Chipset : (Series connection; Reservoir>Pump>Rad>CPU>RAM>Chipset>Reservoir)
Rad: Danger Den GTX 560
PUMP: MCP655
CPU: Apogee XT Rev. 2 water block
RAM: 2x Bitspower Galaxy Freezer Universal RAM Module Liquid Cooling Block - 4-DIMMs
Chipset:Koolance MB-ASR4E ASUS Rampage IV Extreme


For GPU: (Parallel connection; Reservoir>Pump>Rad>GPU|GPU|GPU|GPU>Reservoir)
Rad: Danger Den GTX 240
PUMP:MCP655
GPU: Koolance VID-NX680 waterblock


Additional:
Silver Killcoil

I have couple of question.
1.Which is better 1/2" or 3/8" tubing?
2.which is better a single dual bay reservoir or 2 separate reservoirs?
3.I need a good coolant.With High performance, low conductivity and colour.
4.Is silver killcoil upto the mark?
5.Is there any way to refrigerate the coolant without much space loss?
a c 190 K Overclocking
May 15, 2012 8:44:39 AM

Flagging for later but read the sticky at top of the section to find out why you need more radiatorspace, why tubing size doesn't matter, and most importantly, why coolant is frowned upon :-)
Killcoil is a good move, most of us use them, and you don't get to refridgerate the distilled water/coolant until you know a lot more about W/c, then you can deal with the condensation it would create, potentially killing your gear,
I sleep days but I'll check back later
Moto
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a c 231 K Overclocking
May 15, 2012 9:10:45 AM

Quote:
For GPU: (Parallel connection; Reservoir>Pump>Rad>GPU|GPU|GPU|GPU>Reservoir)
Rad: Danger Den GTX 240
PUMP:MCP655
GPU: Koolance VID-NX680 waterblock


4 GPUs on 1 GTX 240 radiator? :lol: 

You'd be better served continuing air cooling them, you need the GTX 560 as a minimum for 4 GPUs, my Rad Box has the cooling equivalent of a GTX 560 but it's only cooling 2 580GTX.

Total Hardware Specs, Operating System, and your overclocking intentions Please?
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May 15, 2012 9:26:09 AM

No space left for another 560 in the chassis.
I already have to mod the HDD bay to put a 240.
I gues i could get a 360 radiator.

BTW there is about 5c-9c difference in heat between gtx580 and gtx680.
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a c 231 K Overclocking
May 15, 2012 10:21:39 AM

keygenx said:
No space left for another 560 in the chassis.
I already have to mod the HDD bay to put a 240.
I gues i could get a 360 radiator.

BTW there is about 5c-9c difference in heat between gtx580 and gtx680.


Yes but you are cooling 4 of them, if those are the GPUs we're talking about, and will you be overclocking anything?
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a c 231 K Overclocking
May 15, 2012 10:26:38 AM

Do you have room for a Rad Box scroll down to the Rad Box section in this thread, to see what I'm talking about, I used an old gutted case for my rad Box setup.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
May 15, 2012 1:50:35 PM

Quote:
I have couple of question.
1.Which is better 1/2" or 3/8" tubing?
2.which is better a single dual bay reservoir or 2 separate reservoirs?
3.I need a good coolant.With High performance, low conductivity and colour.
4.Is silver killcoil upto the mark?
5.Is there any way to refrigerate the coolant without much space loss?


1. Both perform almost the same, little to no difference in performance.
2. It depends on how you will setup your loops. Are you wanting to share a single reservoir or keep them completely separate?
3. Distilled water
4. Up to the mark for what? You don't necessarily need a killcoil if you are running biocide or a glycol mix.
5. Can you explain what you mean?

For the record, there is absolutely no need to watercool DDR2 or DDR3- both run very cool even to the touch. No benefit- you'd simply be adding unnecessary restriction to the loop.

You really should consider using the 560 rad to cool the GPUs and the 240 to cool the CPU...you have your setup backwards. A GTX 680 will put out more heat than a CPU; have you calculated your total loop TDP yet to get an idea of what you'll be needing in order to cool it all?

Can you list actual hardware? (not just 'CPU' and '4 GPUs')
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a c 190 K Overclocking
May 15, 2012 5:31:32 PM

I see you had Ryan and Rubix drop by whilst I slept hehe,
Ryan's radbox is a cracking solution to consider
As previously mentioned the sticky holds a lot of basic answers for you but designing this loop is going to be above the average so luckily you have three very useful people reading on it
Do you have the space for an external box? (Most preferable method here imo)
Any budget restrictions?
do you have access to tools? drill/dremel, angle grinder etc

but to basically respond to your other question I missed earlier,
you are going to benefit most from having everything on one loop, you could run two loops from the same reservoir but thats making things awkward on yourself,
a serial loop is the most effective way to retain flow pressure and you have five blocks in the loop which set up incorrectly could reduce your flow (and thereby your cooling) massively,
I'm seeing a two pump set up with a decently large reservoir space, if you haven't already bought the 560 I'd consider alternate options, three or four 360's in a radbox and whatever you can squeeze into the case internally, be it a 240 or 360,
What case is this being planned for by the way?
@Rubix, he looks like he's throwing four 680's on it (judging by the F/c blocks chosen)
Moto
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a b K Overclocking
May 15, 2012 5:41:10 PM

I like 3/8 ID tubing it is closer in size to the G1/4 connection than 1/2 ID is but that just a opinion.

I like the bitspower 250 Z-tank but the XPSC duel bay is a nice way to go if space is a issue.
Why do you want 2 reservoirs I have 2 and moto has 2 but I do not think that it serves any real premise other than looks.

here is a good way to cool coolant
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/275185-29-exploring-a...
thanks to 4ryan6
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May 16, 2012 2:58:26 PM

I definitely going for rad box. with 2x 560. One more question.Has anyone tried connecting radiators in parallel (RAD|RAD->GPU|GPU|GPU|GPU).

Theres space for 4x 560 in my old chassis.Am gonna fit lots of silent fans (CM maybe) in the radbox

Actually am building this pc for someone and i ll get some time to play with it.
The specs are:
CPU - Intel Core i7 3960X @ 4.3GHz
Mob - Rampage IV Extreme/BF3
GPU - Palit GTX 680 (4GB) Quad Sli @ Core: 1250MHz Mem: 6400MHz
RAM - G.Skill RipjawsZ 64GB (8GBx8) (2400MHz) (10-12-12-31-2N)
HDD - Raid 0 2x(Intel 520 SATA III 240GB)
PSU - Ultra X3 1600w Modular
Chassis - CM Cosmos II
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a c 324 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 3:14:06 PM

You only want to run low restriction components in series; higher restriction in parallel.

4 GPU blocks, you are looking at wanting dual DDC pumps in serial.
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a c 190 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 3:29:35 PM

**Why do you want 2 reservoirs I have 2 and moto has 2**
Erm, I have four resses in my loop actually man :) 
Two Res/pumps and the two T-Virus resses on top :p 
(not all for show, they have UV cathodes in to keep the crawlies down)
My Radbox
Ideally you're looking at one pump in the case to start things off, and work the loop so that the second pump in the radbox is about halfway through the loop, and think of where the radbox will live in use, you want to make sure you have enough push in the radbox to get the flow back to the case nice and strong,
DDC's have high head rating so are perfect for pushing it round there
I agree with the lots of fans route, check Xspc's 2k rpm units, throw two onto one fancontroller channel to limit them to 1k Rpm and load up,
lots of cooling and not much noise (Radbox tends to muffle anyhow)
I'm looking forward to seeing this come to life man, its definitely a Showpiece build once you're done :) 
Moto
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May 16, 2012 5:09:35 PM

For CPU+Ram+Chipset : (Series connection; reservoir>Dual Pump>Rad>Rad>CPU>RAM>Chipset>Reservoir)
Rad: 2x Danger Den GTX 560
PUMP: Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top Extreme
CPU: Apogee XT Rev. 2 water block
RAM: 2x Bitspower Galaxy Freezer Universal RAM Module Liquid Cooling Block - 4-DIMMs
Chipset:Koolance MB-ASR4E ASUS Rampage IV Extreme


For GPU: (Parallel connection; Reservoir>Pump>Rad>Rad>GPU|GPU|GPU|GPU>Reservoir)
Rad: 2xDanger Den GTX 560
PUMP:Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top Extreme
GPU: Koolance VID-NX680 waterblock


Additional:
Silver Killcoil
12x Phobya 140mm x 25mm Nano-G 14 Silent Waterproof 1000rpm


How is this setup?


I ll be adding water to the radiator compartment after everything goes fine.May be i could even use it as reservoir.What do you guys think?


I can't still find a high capacity reservoir.

thank you all for your replies
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a c 190 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 5:50:50 PM

I wouldn't fill that box with water,
fan rotation will be slowed for one thing, and its air moving over the fins that cools, rotating water inside a box isn't going to be very efficient, the heat isn't being taken out
I'd also advise against that layout, sandwiching rads as its known isn't very effective and wont give you the best performance out of the gear,
have two on the sides and two in the top or bottom, all intaking from outside,
then throw some fans in one of the remaining sides to exhaust the air,
and a lot of reservoir space won't improve cooling so much as delay the time it takes for the loop to reach thermal equilibrium, although if you take Ryans approach and do a cooler with Icejugs in, you can drop the waters temp at will (Although again, it takes time to affect the overall temp of the loop)
***Careful calculation required here to avoid condensation***
But I like that you have the right attitude and are coming up with ideas
Moto
And for maximum cooling you want 8 fans on each rad in pushpull,
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a c 324 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 6:03:52 PM

I didn't catch that he wanted to fill that box with water...and fans? Water is conductive and fans run on electricity. The fans you have listed aren't likely 100% waterproof (I have 2 at my house that I was sent for review) but never tested the 'waterproof' capability.

Your watercooling loop will remove heat from the components, the radiators will remove heat from the loop to the water and the water will reach a working equilibrum. Once the water box is warmed up to working equilibrium, you then have to figure out how to cool that water...at some point you have to reduce the heat energy being transferred.
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a c 190 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 6:12:49 PM

The fans say waterproof but I would bet that they aren't designed for long term submersion as Op plans,
even this vid, which also shows how slow its moving, doesn't fully immerse the fan, and remember Op, those plugs would need to be waterproofed too unless you were going to run the cables through a sealed grommet to an area without water to connect to the fancontroller/molex, From your pic I'd assume that the box there is sectioned off and the side with the res/ pumps in is not filled with water?
Moto
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a c 324 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 6:16:08 PM

I might have to test this theory with the ones I have. :) 
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a c 190 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 6:19:01 PM

Mind the plugs then mate :) 
Moto
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a c 324 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 6:20:49 PM

I don't mind killing a fan; I DO mind killing my test PSU.

:) 
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a c 190 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 7:05:18 PM

I was more concerned about your own safety than hardware dude :) 
Moto
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a c 324 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 8:01:07 PM

Valid point, my friend. DC power @ 5A or 12A (depending on what could get wet) might be bad for the ol' ticker.

On a similar note- my family genetics have provided me a receding hair line which then has eliminated the need to shower while blow drying my hair in order to save time.
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a c 231 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 11:44:28 PM

keygenx said:
For CPU+Ram+Chipset : (Series connection; reservoir>Dual Pump>Rad>Rad>CPU>RAM>Chipset>Reservoir)
Rad: 2x Danger Den GTX 560
PUMP: Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top Extreme
CPU: Apogee XT Rev. 2 water block
RAM: 2x Bitspower Galaxy Freezer Universal RAM Module Liquid Cooling Block - 4-DIMMs
Chipset:Koolance MB-ASR4E ASUS Rampage IV Extreme


For GPU: (Parallel connection; Reservoir>Pump>Rad>Rad>GPU|GPU|GPU|GPU>Reservoir)
Rad: 2xDanger Den GTX 560
PUMP:Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top Extreme
GPU: Koolance VID-NX680 waterblock


Additional:
Silver Killcoil
12x Phobya 140mm x 25mm Nano-G 14 Silent Waterproof 1000rpm

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5871/radbox.png
How is this setup?


I ll be adding water to the radiator compartment after everything goes fine.May be i could even use it as reservoir.What do you guys think?


I can't still find a high capacity reservoir.

thank you all for your replies


Standard water cooling radiators are painted black and not designed to be submerged under water, I'm not really sure where you're getting these ideas but your title is liquid cooling everything.

No offense but are you pulling our legs with this?

I know there are fans labeled water proof, but to the extent of submerging under water completely?

And as mentioned the water will reach a thermal stable temperature and not go lower without something to lower it?

Is this a science project?
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a c 190 K Overclocking
May 16, 2012 11:58:29 PM

If it is, they should've come straight to us with hardware, an NDA and plain bulging envelope :-)
Moto
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May 17, 2012 2:03:06 PM

It's just for experimenting. I really like to play around with electronics.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
May 17, 2012 2:13:05 PM

Playing around with electronics submerged in water is also likely to result in an unexpected experiment with electrocution and death.
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a c 190 K Overclocking
May 17, 2012 5:17:33 PM

^Sounds like the Portal Glados warning hehe,
Submerging electronics in water will result in a black mark on your record followed by electrocution
and then death
:p 
I see the potential of the idea, but seriously doubt the efficiency of it, same kind of area as the many mineral oil threads we get here, possible yes, sensible/worth doing, no
Moto
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a c 231 K Overclocking
May 17, 2012 6:58:13 PM

rubix_1011 said:
Playing around with electronics submerged in water is also likely to result in an unexpected experiment with electrocution and death.


ROFLMAO :lol: 

I apologize keygenx, but that was funny!

We're all experimenters here in some way or another, but we don't want you to hurt yourself in the process.


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May 18, 2012 2:52:56 AM

I dont understand the idea of submerging a fan in water? if you need a fan to put underwater buy a propeller? I need to re-read this.

(edit)
wait am i getting this right, you're submerging your rad in a box of water that you also want to be your Resevoir, and using the fans to force the water through the Rad instead of letting it sit there? Im still new to watercooling but is that the idea?

If thats what you were going for and you want to keep doing it would it be possible to try mounting some propellers that are in those model boats? they're electric and built with a waterproof housing. Just an idea, not sure how liable it would be.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
May 18, 2012 4:19:23 AM

The entire idea (even if it functions like initially designed) is still flawed since the water that is cooling the radiators will also need to be cooled, yet isn't in this design. At some point you have to address how this will be dissipated; you can't simply continue to add heat to a loop that doesn't have any way to remove it.
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a b K Overclocking
May 18, 2012 4:32:13 AM

ok so you want to put radiators in a fish tank fine, but if you want to move the water in the fish tank around they make pumps for that.
http://www.hottubwarehouse.com/GECKO-AQUA-FLO-HOT-TUB-P...
one of the small ones would turn your fish tank into a whorl pool, but what good does it do you, once you put the radiator into the moving water, all that you end up with is hot moving water, how do you think a hot tub works. without some way of removing the heat from the water you can't cool your system, you might try using a gallon jug of frozen water in one corner and the rads in a the opposite corner, maybe that will be enough but you will have to try it to see if it is sufficient enough to remove the heat that the system creates.
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May 18, 2012 8:23:50 AM

Cant believe i looked past that haha. i might need some sleep.
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a c 190 K Overclocking
May 18, 2012 8:32:58 AM

**you might try using a gallon jug of frozen water in one corner and the rads in a the opposite corner, maybe that will be enough but you will have to try it to see if it is sufficient enough to remove the heat that the system creates. **

Ryans the man to judge on that, but I'm confident that it won't,
the box is the win in this plan, filling it with water is a government level bad idea :p 
the only way to make it worse for cooling would be if Op filled the box with mineral oil hehe,
but if people don't ask things like this, we would never experiment and find out how good/not so things like this really are
Moto
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a c 231 K Overclocking
May 18, 2012 9:12:03 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
**you might try using a gallon jug of frozen water in one corner and the rads in a the opposite corner, maybe that will be enough but you will have to try it to see if it is sufficient enough to remove the heat that the system creates. **

Ryans the man to judge on that, but I'm confident that it won't,
the box is the win in this plan, filling it with water is a government level bad idea :p 
the only way to make it worse for cooling would be if Op filled the box with mineral oil hehe,
but if people don't ask things like this, we would never experiment and find out how good/not so things like this really are
Moto


To the OP.

My cooling solution makes much more sense than this does, is much easier to maintain water temperature levels, costs less, and works without the risk of electrocution.!

Water proof fans are still designed to push air, let me say that again, PUSH AIR! and to operate in air, NOT WATER!

The water proof claim is if water got accidentally sprayed on them they would not short out, not water proof to be completely submerged under water, I have some claimed water proof fans left over from the Cooling Fan Roundup, but I have no intentions of submerging them under water, to find out if it's possible.

They're still designed to push air not denser water, pushing water should quickly overload their power draw, burn out the wiring and direct short to the water, and that will more than likely take out your power supply, and possibly the rest of your investment.


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