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December 2, 2009 8:22:47 PM

I have been contemplating on 2 cpu's

The older tech but still very good.....the c2d e8500. I have read many reviews saying how this c2d have beaten quads when oc. And also how its oc capabilities is off the roof.

the newer tech.....the i5

I wont b doing vid encoding or editing or all that. very main purpose is games. I'll be doing some web browsing of course. Watching some videos (youtube) or movies. But wont be doing any of the hardcore stuff since i dont even know how.

So i have read that the c2d e8500 works well for just games purposes while i should get the quad if i were to get into the other more intensive aspects. But how long can i keep the c2d till it has become obsolete in games. 1yr 2 yr 3yrs? Will i be better off just going straight to the quad tech?

Price is a issue here also.
e8500 = 175
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P = 110
4gig ram = 80
these three alone = 365

i5 = 200
ASUS P7P55D EVO = 195
4 gig ram = 95
these three alone = 490

I havent figured out the gpu part yet. but was thinking 4850 or 4870. or possibly waiting for the 5 series to cut down on prices.

I will be oc-ing but not intensive. I was thinking the e8500 from 3.1 to 3.6-3.8ghz. then as time goes and new more intense games. I'll get a aftermarket HSF and bump it to 4.0+.

Im not too sure about the I5....possibly 3ghz from the 2.66?

What do you guys think? the price of the e8500 has got me leaning towards it. I want to last at least 2 or possibly 3 yrs b4 i have to upgrade cpu and processor and stuff again. Would it b obsolete by then? hefty price of I5 gots me worried.

I have also thought of getting:
seagate barracuda 500g 16mb 7200.12 = 60
psu...i was thinking i mite need a 550w for this build = 50ish?
Or going bigger for future upgrades 700w? = 50-100?
case = 50-100?
subtotal2 = 160 - 210ish for 550W
= 210 - 260ish for 700w

total:
I5 build = 650 - 700 for 550w
700 - 750 for 700w
E8500 = 525 - 575 for 550w
575 - 625 for 700w

any sort of help will be appreciated.

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December 2, 2009 9:19:13 PM

is there a reason why the p55 mobo's are so much more then the p45? if i can find a good p55 mobo for the I5 for cheaper.....then i mite be able to go with the I5
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December 2, 2009 9:20:52 PM

There are ways to get the cost of the i5 build down. For instance, if you live near a Microcenter store you can pick up an i5 for $150. The motherboard you chose is a high end P55 motherboard. A good motherboard with SLI/Crossfire capabilities is the ASUS P7P55D PRO or Gigabyte P55-UD4P, either of which is $170. Newegg is offering deals on RAM regularly, so you should be able to get 4 GB of DDR3 for about $90. This totals $410, which is still $45 more than the P45 build. However, for this small increment in price you get significant performance increases as can be seen in this article:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...

Definitely go with the i5 build -- you will enjoy this computer!

Since both motherboards you specified are SLI/Crossfire capable, I would recommend that you go with a 650W or 750 W Antec or Corsair PSU so that you can add a second graphics card at a later date if you decided to do so. If you look for deals on these PSUs, you should be able to pick these up for about $100. It is worth investing in a good PSU.

I would also pay a little bit more now to get a 5770 graphics card ($170). These cards will be around for the next few years, and you should be able to add a second card when the prices drop a year from now.

You would regret investing in old technology at this point. As more and more applications begin to utilize quad cores, you will be glad you have the system to take advantage of these capabilities.
December 2, 2009 9:25:24 PM
December 2, 2009 9:40:19 PM

Shortstuff is right about the other motherboards being good if you only plan to use a single graphics card. Another option to consider is going with a single high end graphics card like a 5850, and getting one of the less expensive motherboards. This option will still cost you a little more money upfront, but is a good compromise.

Finally, if your really budget limited, going with the older generation graphics cards you listed in your original post (4870) is OK. These can be purchased at bargain prices, and they are very good performers.
December 2, 2009 11:52:20 PM

Using some suggestions from above:

GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Retail - $135
Note that it has SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
- $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV4GK – Retail - $80 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total Price $415

December 3, 2009 12:00:32 AM

i do plan on using one gpu....but i like to leave the option open for crossfire in the future.


yea the pricetag of the 5850 of 300 is a little much.

ive only read about the gig ud4p as tom's rec buy of 2009.
P55-UD3R and the asus P7P55D

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-motherboar...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-p55-motherbo...

wierd thing i also read somewhere that these p55 mobos couldnt take the voltage heat under tom's benchmark tests. But i think that was with the I7. Does that make a diff?
December 3, 2009 12:43:33 AM

I think leaving the option for Crossfire open is generally a good idea too - it is the least expensive way to upgrade graphics performance.

However, you do need to carefully cost the costs. In addition to about $35 more for the mobo - for the Gigabyte UD4P - you should also spend about $20 to $30 more for a larger PSU. What will be cut now to make room for $60 or so for the mobo and PSU to protect Crossfire? Of course only when you spec your total build will you know, but it could be a substantial increase in the GPU.
December 3, 2009 1:05:23 AM

i do have a 8600gt gpu in my comp currently. mabe i can save money by using it on new build. and wait a little bit 4 a better price on a better gpu?
December 3, 2009 1:18:29 AM

This would be a nice little single card setup






SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223C - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151192
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

$26.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811129042
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$15.00 Instant $69.95
$54.95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152181
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$54.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814102864
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

$164.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817341022
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

-$20.00 Instant
$25.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$84.99
$64.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231276
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813128405
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)

-$5.00 Instant $109.99
$104.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115215
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
$199.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Subtotal: $771.88

Newegg sucks ATM with there combos :/  used to have some good ones

December 3, 2009 1:45:09 AM

everything seem to b about the same as my build
small differences. but similar in price.
only big diff is the mobo. doesnt seem to b too great. and it doesnt support crossfire. i kind of want it to support crossfire even though i am not goin to crossfire rite away. just to open up my future plans is all.
December 3, 2009 4:56:18 AM

I have also been told that if someone wanted to think bout getting a 4870 or 4890 mite as well get a 5770.

Ive told my friend this advice and he gave me a counter advice of waiting a little bit before buying a 5770. since more top end 5 series will soon be released which in turn will lower the price of the 5770.

what do you guys think of this?
December 3, 2009 10:30:11 PM

another question......4870 512 vs 4870 1gig vs 4890 1gig?
December 4, 2009 6:00:08 PM

i have pretty much decided on a I5......
now which mobo?
December 4, 2009 10:25:35 PM

will it handle 4890 in crossfire?
i bought a xfx 4890 1gig today.....possible future plan of buying another to crossfire.

another question.....
can you crossfire 2 diff brand of 4890? IE: a HIS and xfx?
Or can you crossfire 2 total diff cards? IE: 4870 with 4890?
December 5, 2009 2:11:29 AM

The GA-P55M-UD4, like all P55 boards, steps the x16 slots down to x8 speed when in Crossfire, but they still will easily handle the 4890s in Crossfire.

You currently cannot Crossfire two different cards chips - i.e. the 4870 and 4890. It might be possible to use two different brands of the same chipset if they both followed closely the reference design, but I would not count on it.
December 5, 2009 4:38:29 PM

That's actually not true. You can crossfire any 48xx cards. You could crossfire a 4850 with a 4870. The 4870 would just be downclocked to the 4850 specs. I don't know why you'd want to do that, but you can. Crossfire using different manufacturer's of 4890's will work fine.

http://www.*****/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/9159-ati-hd4870-hd4850-crossfire-performance-review-2.html
December 5, 2009 5:06:04 PM

shortstuff - your link does not seem to be working
December 5, 2009 7:54:28 PM

relink plz shortstuff.

so any recommendation on the mobo?
x58 vs p55?
and which one in those category is worth the buy?
as i mentioned earlier.....i want to OC. dont want the hottest of them all. dont need the coolest either. I want to have the crossfire option open.
December 5, 2009 9:12:05 PM

The x58 boards have the LGA 1366 socket and are incompatible with the i5 CPU
December 5, 2009 10:38:46 PM

ah ic....thot x58 also supported the 1156 also.
if thats the case. best oc crossfire p55?
any ideas?
December 5, 2009 10:43:46 PM

If you are still looking for a another mobo then I suspect you have not bothered to read the reviews on the Gigabyte P55-UD4. Note that I mistakenly linked to the micro-ATX version above which is not what you want. Here is the ATX version:

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $170
2oz Copper PCB, Support 2 Way SLI & CrossFireX plus Smart 6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For reviews, you might start with the THG review of 8 boards with a conclusion that states:

"The four boards that remained 100% stable are Gigabyte’s $170 P55-UD4P, Biostar’s $185 TPower I55, Asus’ $195 P7P55D EVO, and EVGA’s $200 P55-SLI. Of these, Gigabyte’s P55-UD4P has the second-highest CPU overclock, highest base clock, highest memory clock for high-end four-module configurations, lowest power consumption, and lowest VRM temperature. Gigabyte’s P55-UD4P also has the lowest price of the four top-quality boards and is thus the best value in its class."

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-motherboar...

And here are some other reviews:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17598
http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-p55-motherboard-...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23...

Also note that THG included its big brother - the P55A-UD6 in its year-end buyers guide for system builders - one of only two mobos listed. It costs about 50% more than the UD4 for what I think is very little added benefit, and the money is better spent elsewhere to improve performance. But if you just want to throw money at it go for the UD6.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/buy-gift-radeon-585...
December 5, 2009 11:48:31 PM

yea ive read these reviews. and havent gotten me sold on a single one yet. so was wondering anyone got personal advice.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-motherboar...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-p55-motherbo...

so i have read tat review. somewhere i read about the p55 boards not taking the voltage that they have been using on some of the p45 boards. but i believe they were using the i7 to test those. i dont kno if I7 and I5 makes much diff to the mobo capabilities though. cant find the article that i read. so im stuck.
December 5, 2009 11:57:51 PM

the maximus III seems intriguing also
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