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February 14, 2010 4:48:42 AM

Hi, I'm fairly new to the whole computer world. I'm thinking about building a new computer sometime soon so I was researching on the CPUs. The i7 920 is currently on sale for around 200$ at a microcenter near me but I wasn't sure if I should wait for the 930 that's coming out soon that will be replacing it. Maybe they are slashing the prices on the 920 because the 930 is suppose to come out this month. I was also considering the 860 but the LGA 1136 kind of discouraged me because it does not support triple memory and not very adequate if I were to crossfire or SLI. Also there is the i5 which I read is good enough for gaming but it does not have hyperthreading. The i5 and i7 860 both have a stronger turbo boost compared to the 920 though. Hopefully the 930 will have the best of both worlds, stronger turbo boost + LGA 1336 socket. =) Ah, it's so hard to pick which CPU to get. I mostly use my computer for playing video games, photoshop, online browsing, converting videos, and sometimes video editing. Can someone give me some help?

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February 14, 2010 5:03:58 AM

i7 920 for 200 thats a good buy. So are you waiting? if you are then its best to just wait for the quadcore 32 nm. look at the i3 and i5 32nm theyre great in overclocking.

But id go for the i7 920 if youre buyinh now.
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February 14, 2010 5:12:07 AM

I think i 7 920 is good but i have also seen an install of win 7 faster on a core 2 duo, can anyone explain this one???
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February 14, 2010 5:23:18 AM

is the quadcore 32nm the 930?
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February 14, 2010 5:44:15 AM

1. i5-750 is the no brainer choice for mainly gaming machine, but get 920 instead if you can get a deal of 920+X58+tri-channel RAM for extra $50 or less.

2. 930 will definitely be 45nm.
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February 14, 2010 5:50:11 AM

Microcenter is an Intel Launch partner. That $200 is their regular price. I'd expect the 930 to have a similar discount over other retailers. It should hit market in the next month or the end of Feb. Faster stock speed and higher OC potential worth the wait.
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February 14, 2010 6:24:18 AM

Microcenter briefly raised the price on the 920, but it is back at 200 now. Last quarter the i5 750 was at 149.99 now its 179.99. The 930 (ES) has been in reviewers hands, its 1 multiplier,(133mhz) higher on the DO stepping , thats it. No need to wait for it. Your getting a 'steal' at 200, don't let the great deal worry you, lol.
Also the 860 is 199.99 , a similar sized discount.
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February 14, 2010 7:28:42 AM

doesnt the 930 have a high base clock rate? the 920 is at 2.66 i heard the 930 is going to be 2.88 and if the 930 is newer, its hyperthreading and turbo boost should be stronger, right?
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February 14, 2010 7:34:26 AM

930 is better if you don't OC, but it is no better than 920 when comes to OC as all LGA1366 i7s have the same upper OC limit(4.2GHz in most cases) including the best i7-975.

In addition, 930 has exactly the same architecture as the rest i7-9xx and so its HT and Turbo should be the same.
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February 14, 2010 8:06:26 AM

in that case should i just get an i5 and better GPU instead? im currently playing dead space, l4d2, and doing photoshop but when i play games i have to turn them all to lowest settings.
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February 14, 2010 8:27:34 AM

Yes, i5+better GPU will offer better gaming performance for sure.
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February 14, 2010 11:08:56 AM

aznsoysauce97 said:
in that case should i just get an i5 and better GPU instead? im currently playing dead space, l4d2, and doing photoshop but when i play games i have to turn them all to lowest settings.

hi
if you only want the new system for gaming then i suggest go for p55, socket 1156. its better in gaming as compared to core i7 920. and in some cases core i7 860 has beaten core i7 975 which is quite good.
But i personally still like core i7 920 because it will get better for sure and will have quite a lot of upgrades as well. this 1366 socket is targeted to enthusiasts and due to this fact they cant let this socket be less than their mainstream socket and also the fact that core i7 920 is available for some time now and core i7 860 is new so it was obvious that it will be better but im sure they will make core i7 9xx better soon. hope i helped.
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February 15, 2010 2:17:27 AM

ok the i7 920 and the i7 860 are now both dropped to 199.99 at microcenter. Ugh I dont think a i5 is worth it anymore since the i7 processor is only about 20-30$ more.
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February 15, 2010 2:38:16 AM

aznsoysauce97 said:
ok the i7 920 and the i7 860 are now both dropped to 199.99 at microcenter. Ugh I dont think a i5 is worth it anymore since the i7 processor is only about 20-30$ more.


Horses for courses... If ALL you are interested in is good gaming, and only ever one GPU, then a P55 MB will dou you just fine. Just be aware that there are limitations to the 1156 Intel processors concerning GPU usage and memory access. X58 is not more expensive for any person doing professional graphics work or professional CAD work (time IS money!). But if you are aware of the limitations, and they don't really affect your uses, then you have what looks to be a good build on the boil.
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February 15, 2010 2:45:09 AM

andy5174 said:
930 is better if you don't OC, but it is no better than 920 when comes to OC as all LGA1366 i7s have the same upper OC limit(4.2GHz in most cases) including the best i7-975..


That's not reflected on the OC boards that I have been following....and also requires a qualifier....we taking real use or simply highest frequency w/ LN2 and other goodies as i think a Celeron still holds that record.....

....we talkin i7 "on air"...we talking HT and all other BIOS features enabled ? ...we talkin maintaining CAS timings or relaxed ? ... we upping voltages on more than Vcore ?

Scanning thru this thread for example, the 940 consistently outscores the 920, the 950 the 940 and so on when using same BIOS settings.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=21...
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February 15, 2010 2:50:45 AM

I was not talking about any specific chip but average chips.

BTW, I never see any i7-975 get a 24/7 STABLE OC of 4.2GHz+ so far.
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February 15, 2010 2:51:52 AM

andy5174 said:
Do some research in TOM and Anandtech article and you will realize the difference between 1366 and 1156 is minimal.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p55-crossfire-nf200...

http://media.bestofmicro.com/D/7/236347/original/image004.png

http://media.bestofmicro.com/D/8/236348/original/image005.png

p.s. Even 10% difference means 4~5FPS under 1920x1200.


I think I expressed my opinion pretty well... 1156 CPU's do have limitations, both in their GPU access and in their memory access. If all you want is gaming, fine... They will do the job quite well. I am well aware of those benchmarks, and several others as well thank you. Now look at some benchmarks for PSCS4, or ACAD, or MAYA3D...
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February 15, 2010 2:53:35 AM

andy5174 said:
I was not talking about any specific chip but average chips.

BTW, I never see any i7-975 get a 24/7 STABLE OC of 4.2GHz+ so far.


Go to page 135 of above link....4.7 Ghz ...one there above 5.0 but i didn't search for it.
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February 15, 2010 2:56:18 AM

croc said:
I think I expressed my opinion pretty well... 1156 CPU's do have limitations, both in their GPU access and in their memory access. If all you want is gaming, fine... They will do the job quite well. I am well aware of those benchmarks, and several others as well thank you. Now look at some benchmarks for PSCS4, or ACAD, or MAYA3D...











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February 15, 2010 2:57:49 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
Go to page 135 of above link....4.7 Ghz ...one there above 5.0 but i didn't search for it.

Do they mention that it is 24/7 stable? There are a lot of i7-920 can reach 5GHz but not 24/7 stable.
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February 15, 2010 2:59:03 AM

Reasons for 1366:

1. future availability of hexacore processors for X58-based platforms
2. the LGA 1366 interface’s ability to support triple-channel memory that will probably only noticeably benefit hexacore processors.
3. the X58’s additional support for high-bandwidth devices such as professional RAID controllers
4. PCI-E bandwidth issues on 2 or 3 PCI-E x16 lanes but ONLY with GFX cards that need more than x8.
5. Your software uses what the 1366 has (and, at least today, that doesn't include gaming).
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February 15, 2010 3:03:12 AM

All your statements are quite TRUE.

However, we have to consider if the performance gain worth the premium. It does NOT seem so to me according to the performance charts from Anandtech and TOM.
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February 15, 2010 3:20:30 AM

andy5174 said:
All your statements are quite TRUE.

However, we have to consider if the performance gain worth the premium. It does NOT seem so to me according to the performance charts from Anandtech and TOM.


IFF you are interested in gaming, (and only gaming, using one GPU) THEN you are correct. I made that quite clear in my first post.
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February 15, 2010 3:26:42 AM

croc said:
IFF you are interested in gaming, (and only gaming, using one GPU) THEN you are correct. I made that quite clear in my first post.

Watch the charts I posted above. Those are NOT gaming performance charts.

Original source: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...
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February 15, 2010 4:26:24 AM

Were the OP a graphics professional, then I would be recommending Xeon 5590's, at least until the hex-core processors come along. However, by not pointing out the limitations of the 1156 processors you are doing the OP a disservice. The 1156 processors do have certain limitations, in both memory and GPU bandwidth. One would hope that you are aware of these limitations as you are the one doing the recommendations.

Personally, if it were me recommending a CPU strictly for gaming, I would help out the OP's budget by a fair bit and recommend an AMD solution for almost as good performance, and far less cash outlay. But it is you extolling the virtues of the 1156 processor....

AznSoySauce, look at all of your options and make up your own mind.
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February 15, 2010 4:56:39 AM

Yea, I'm trying to decide right now. Basically I have it down to these certain area of concerns... the i7 920 is easier to overclock but the MOBO is way more expensive and then the RAM is more expensive as well because I would need to purchase 6gb. I dont plan to overclock much if I were to get the 920 maybe to 3.0~3.2? The i7 860 will allow me to buy a cheaper MOBO (save around $100?) so I can spend that and the extra money from cheaper RAM into a better GPU. I planned to spend around $800-$1000 on this new system, but of course the less money the better. Basically is the Triple Memory and 2-16x PCI Express Slot really worth the extra $100-$150? I'll mainly use my computer for gaming, photoshop, and computer programming (comp sci major), but I would also like to be able to edit videos and convert videos as well when needed.
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February 15, 2010 6:50:29 AM

aznsoysauce97 said:
Yea, I'm trying to decide right now. Basically I have it down to these certain area of concerns... the i7 920 is easier to overclock but the MOBO is way more expensive and then the RAM is more expensive as well because I would need to purchase 6gb. I dont plan to overclock much if I were to get the 920 maybe to 3.0~3.2? The i7 860 will allow me to buy a cheaper MOBO (save around $100?) so I can spend that and the extra money from cheaper RAM into a better GPU. I planned to spend around $800-$1000 on this new system, but of course the less money the better. Basically is the Triple Memory and 2-16x PCI Express Slot really worth the extra $100-$150? I'll mainly use my computer for gaming, photoshop, and computer programming (comp sci major), but I would also like to be able to edit videos and convert videos as well when needed.


Get the p55 MB, and as much CPU as you think you can afford. DDR3 RAM is no more expensive for either socket, but you can get by with a bit less on a p55 than an x58 MB, so that is a bit of savings. Just be aware that there ARE limitations on the 1156 CPU's, mainly concerning the memory interface (on-chip IMC) and the GPU interface (again, on-chip, and limited to 8x x 8x). As long as these limitations don't matter, you should be good to go.

However, in more advanced Comp-Sci courses, you may find a Unix box helpful as compiling a large chunk of code can take quite a bit of time. A true 64 bit processor will make shorter work of this...

A computer is always a compromise between desire and pocketbook....
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February 15, 2010 11:02:51 AM

aznsoysauce97 said:
Yea, I'm trying to decide right now. Basically I have it down to these certain area of concerns... the i7 920 is easier to overclock but the MOBO is way more expensive and then the RAM is more expensive as well because I would need to purchase 6gb. I dont plan to overclock much if I were to get the 920 maybe to 3.0~3.2? The i7 860 will allow me to buy a cheaper MOBO (save around $100?) so I can spend that and the extra money from cheaper RAM into a better GPU. I planned to spend around $800-$1000 on this new system, but of course the less money the better. Basically is the Triple Memory and 2-16x PCI Express Slot really worth the extra $100-$150? I'll mainly use my computer for gaming, photoshop, and computer programming (comp sci major), but I would also like to be able to edit videos and convert videos as well when needed.




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and then the RAM is more expensive as well because I would need to purchase 6gb.


thats a common miss understanding with the x-58 boards. true to run at max memory bandwidth you'll need 3 sticks of ram but scene most people dont need that bandwidth you can get away with only 2 sticks of ram. Making it cheaper.

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Basically is the Triple Memory and 2-16x PCI Express Slot really worth the extra $100-$150? I'll mainly use my computer for gaming, photoshop, and computer programming (comp sci major), but I would also like to be able to edit videos and convert videos as well when needed.


Is triple channel memory worth it? Not really as only programs like C.a.d or rendering can really use the bandwidth effectively.

is dual 16x worth it? Again not really. Mainly due to that the current gpu's cant seam to use full 8x bandwidth yet alone x16.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Expr...


Well i cant say how many cores, how fast the the cpu needs tp be, or how much memory/bandwidth you'll need for computer programming as that can vary but for video editing the higher clocked core i7 860 will be the better choice.
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February 21, 2010 6:01:09 PM

andy5174 said:
All your statements are quite TRUE.

However, we have to consider if the performance gain worth the premium. It does NOT seem so to me according to the performance charts from Anandtech and TOM.


We also have to consider one other thing.....time .... the charts reflect today's hardware not 2-4 years from now. Like SSD's ? What about PCI based ones ? What About SAT III and SAS ? I'm not so much interested in how many fps difference it makes on the best GFX card of XMAS 2008, I am interested in performance with the best card of XMas 2011`& 12

The hexacore is $999 today but what will it be in 2012 ? Mulktithreading is not very prevalent today in all but hi end programs....can we say the same for 2012 ?

What I shuda added is that if you buy a box and open it only to blow dust out, that's another argument for 1156. If you are likely to change COU's , up memory and change GFX in 2 years....that's another reason to consider 1366.
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