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May 21, 2012 8:09:27 PM

hey, so quick question.

Motherboard - Gigabyte SKT-AM3
CPU - Phenom II x4 965 3.4 Ghz black edition processor.

The motherboard doesn't seem to have too much space for a huge air cooler, so anyone got suggestions?

I'd like to spend less than £50, but if i must, i'll go a max of £20 over :p  So, suggestions?

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May 21, 2012 8:10:32 PM

Forgot to say, i'd like to overclock to anywhere between 4.0 - 4.5 ghz :p 
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May 21, 2012 9:07:06 PM

I don't know the case name, but i can provide pictures :p  would that help ? well, i'll post anyway :p 

This seems to cheap to be good? You sure it's good for that price :p 
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May 21, 2012 9:29:55 PM

Jamieboy113 said:
I don't know the case name, but i can provide pictures :p  would that help ? well, i'll post anyway :p 

This seems to cheap to be good? You sure it's good for that price :p 
I am sure it's a good heat sink just look at the ratings and i have owned it before pics might help you also might need to do some measuring
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May 21, 2012 9:38:11 PM

this one is better if you have low profile ram and it will fit http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... i have overclock to 4.7ghz with it and my temps were in the 60 65c range if you scroll down that link there a video about it ;)  you could also get this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... if you want it's good for the price it's up to you but again you need to make sure it will fit your case :) 
May 21, 2012 9:47:47 PM

I've just done measuring :p 
Rough size of the case.

Length = 17.25 inches
Breadth = 7.5 inches
Height = 18.5 inches.
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May 21, 2012 9:50:38 PM

Jamieboy113 said:
I've just done measuring :p 
Rough size of the case.

Length = 17.25 inches
Breadth = 7.5 inches
Height = 18.5 inches.
can you post a pic
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May 21, 2012 9:53:45 PM

it should fit the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120 x 79.7 x 158.5 mm (L x W x H)
May 21, 2012 9:56:38 PM

yeah, posting pic in a min :p  Just couldnt find cable :p 

The system is really tight for space because of the mobo.
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May 21, 2012 10:13:34 PM

i am pretty sure it will fit but it will be a tight fit
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May 22, 2012 1:25:48 AM

You are going to be very lucky to get 4.5GHz on the 965, especially on air,
Most folks see 4.2/4.3GHz top,
And you won't get water for seventy quid, maybe a corsair H50 type thing but better to stick with decent aircoolers if that is your only other option
Moto
May 22, 2012 1:59:33 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
You are going to be very lucky to get 4.5GHz on the 965, especially on air,
Most folks see 4.2/4.3GHz top,
And you won't get water for seventy quid, maybe a corsair H50 type thing but better to stick with decent aircoolers if that is your only other option
Moto


If you have a good water cooling option, don't be afraid to list it :p  I can always wait a week or two until i can buy it :p 
sigh, i hate being 16, maybe i should get a job or something :p  Silly edumercation :p 
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May 22, 2012 2:46:55 AM

bigcyco1 said:
I would need to know what your case is but this is the best cheap overclocking heat sink you can get mate CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w...


the 212 is far from a good air cooler. its alright and that fact will come forward more with IB cpus which run much hotter.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this will be about 15-20 degrees better then the "good" 212+

bigcyco1 said:
this one is better if you have low profile ram and it will fit http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... i have overclock to 4.7ghz with it and my temps were in the 60 65c range if you scroll down that link there a video about it ;)  you could also get this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... if you want it's good for the price it's up to you but again you need to make sure it will fit your case :) 


you need to read better. he has a phenom x4 you have an 3770 and you're probably referencing a 2500k/2600k and seeign those temps thats probably a 2500k.

you can not compare those two chips.
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May 22, 2012 2:54:33 AM

cbrunnem said:
the 212 is far from a good air cooler. its alright and that fact will come forward more with IB cpus which run much hotter.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this will be about 15-20 degrees better then the "good" 212+



you need to read better. he has a phenom x4 you have an 3770 and you're probably referencing a 2500k/2600k and seeign those temps thats probably a 2500k.

you can not compare those two chips.
my cousin has the same cpu as him overclocked to 4.1ghz Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus it works fine. ;)  you should read better NH-D14 cost more than he said hes wants to spend
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May 22, 2012 3:21:36 AM

cbrunnem said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this will be about 15-20 degrees better then the "good" 212+



He needs small and efective cooling because his case is a small and generic one it wont let him install big aftermarker coolers neither a water cooling system.... or where the radioator will be? suggesting huge coolers wont help that much, actually before getting a $80 cooler I would suggest getting a $50 case with good cooling and better space and a $30 cooler as the 212evo

Thats my suggestion

Case with awesome cooling and comes with 3 fans 120mm

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And the venerable 212evo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I wont matter how good the cooler you are going to get, if you dont have a case that takes out all the heat made by all your parts, you PSU and mobo will suffer, as the chipset... Get a good case, that will let you instal big and efective coolers and also space for watter cooling...

hope it helps...

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May 22, 2012 3:49:51 AM

horaciopz said:
He needs small and efective cooling because his case is a small and generic one it wont let him install big aftermarker coolers neither a water cooling system.... or where the radioator will be? suggesting huge coolers wont help that much, actually before getting a $80 cooler I would suggest getting a $50 case with good cooling and better space and a $30 cooler as the 212evo

Thats my suggestion

Case with awesome cooling and comes with 3 fans 120mm

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And the venerable 212evo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I wont matter how good the cooler you are going to get, if you dont have a case that takes out all the heat made by all your parts, you PSU and mobo will suffer, as the chipset... Get a good case, that will let you instal big and efective coolers and also space for watter cooling...

hope it helps...
+1 to this suggestion it's a good one and better than any the above including mine ;) 
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May 22, 2012 5:00:19 AM

cbrunnem said:
the 212 is far from a good air cooler. its alright and that fact will come forward more with IB cpus which run much hotter.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this will be about 15-20 degrees better then the "good" 212+



you need to read better. he has a phenom x4 you have an 3770 and you're probably referencing a 2500k/2600k and seeign those temps thats probably a 2500k.

you can not compare those two chips.
:sarcastic:  wrong the NH-D14 is to big for his case and more than he wants to spend take your own advice and read better ;) 
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May 22, 2012 11:13:31 AM

bigcyco1 said:
:sarcastic:  wrong the NH-D14 is to big for his case and more than he wants to spend take your own advice and read better ;) 


a noctua is the same height as a 212+

160 x 140 x 158mm

his case is 190mm wide leaving him 3cm for mobo and other.

4.1 is a lot different then 4.5
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May 22, 2012 12:21:27 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
You are going to be very lucky to get 4.5GHz on the 965, especially on air,
Most folks see 4.2/4.3GHz top,
And you won't get water for seventy quid, maybe a corsair H50 type thing but better to stick with decent aircoolers if that is your only other option
Moto


Totally agree!

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At Jamieboy113:

You need to realize reaching 4.5ghz with the 965 would require serious water cooling way past your stated budget, and there are actually no guarantees with that!

I got my 965BE to 4.3ghz on air cooling but too hot for long term 24/7 stability, had to drop it down to 4.2ghz, but the air cooler I used was also past your budget.

You need to decide realistically what your goals are going to be with this information, or else you'll get the traditional mine is better than yours suggestion arguments and insults, (which have already started), usually leading to the thread being closed or someone getting banned by a moderator.

So what's it going to be, save and extend your cooling budget or what?

Additionally to get some descent airflow in that case of yours is going to require some case modding, or preferably a new case?

Budget is crying now!

No CPU cooler is going to be able to do it's job without fresh air into the intake and the heated air properly exhausted, that case looks like an old Antec business class case, which was not designed for overclocking at all, and not to good for modding!, because the metal itself is about 3 times as thick of heavy duty aluminum foil!

One serious case modding qualification is, the case has to be strong enough to handle the mods.


May 22, 2012 2:08:10 PM

4Ryan6 said:
Totally agree!

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At Jamieboy113:

You need to realize reaching 4.5ghz with the 965 would require serious water cooling way past your stated budget, and there are actually no guarantees with that!

I got my 965BE to 4.3ghz on air cooling but too hot for long term 24/7 stability, had to drop it down to 4.2ghz, but the air cooler I used was also past your budget.

You need to decide realistically what your goals are going to be with this information, or else you'll get the traditional mine is better than yours suggestion arguments and insults, (which have already started), usually leading to the thread being closed or someone getting banned by a moderator.

So what's it going to be, save and extend your cooling budget or what?

Additionally to get some descent airflow in that case of yours is going to require some case modding, or preferably a new case?

Budget is crying now!

No CPU cooler is going to be able to do it's job without fresh air into the intake and the heated air properly exhausted, that case looks like an old Antec business class case, which was not designed for overclocking at all, and not to good for modding!, because the metal itself is about 3 times as thick of heavy duty aluminum foil!

One serious case modding qualification is, the case has to be strong enough to handle the mods.



I think i just worded my question wrong :p  I meant, i would only be aiming for 4.0 - 4.2, but if i could get it stable and higher, i would :p  if not, then screw it :p 

yeah, i know the case is annoying, and i have a friend who i was going to get to modify it :p  But, in hindsight, i think i'd be best getting a new case instead, this thing is 3-4 year old now :o  :p  Thanks for all your replies, and i'll just go for air cooling, as recommended above :p 

Thanks for everyone's help :D 

just as an extra note, anyone know of stickies for cable management? I looked around and couldn't find any :p  haha :L that thread made me realise earlier that cable management can benefit my system :p 
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May 22, 2012 6:56:21 PM

4.2 is a more reasonable goal, I can hold 4.5GHz on my 975(basically same chip)
but my waters a bit O.T.T. to say the least
like I said earlier though, most people find the chip will only hold 4.3GHz at most
Cable management hmmm, I wonder who can help with that?


I have a rough guide (Amending as i get time to) and my build logs are more in-depth but if theres anything I can help with just throw me a shout mate :) 

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/343995-13-cable-man...

Moto
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