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October 27, 2001 6:45:00 AM

is windows xp worth getting or is it not worth the trouble i've been hearing about? should i just stick with win 2k or upgrade?

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October 27, 2001 6:54:40 AM

Win2k is better than XP, in my personal opinion. All XP is, is Win2k with a few extras and a slightly changed look. Those extras, however, are not near as good as many you can get easily, so it makes the point of upgrading moot. Add in stupid registration, driver problems, etc, and there is really no point.

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October 27, 2001 6:56:56 AM

Wait untill the first service pack or so, microsoft's os's are always messed up at first.

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October 27, 2001 8:02:02 AM

Actually, they seem to have released a fairly bug free version.
By the way, if you can get a copy of the professional version for free, there is no reason NOT to upgrade. The pro version does NOT require activation.

Not that I condone software piracy.

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October 27, 2001 11:42:14 AM

XP pro or home is still crap, registration or not!

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October 27, 2001 1:05:40 PM

Are you saying the retail pro version doesn't have activation? I have the devilsown and it doesn't a have activation but thats because its the corp version.
I also purchased the have version and it has activation.
of which I've had to reinstall three times now.
This last time i had to call microsoft to get a new activaqtion code because i installed a second lan card.
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October 27, 2001 2:59:19 PM

There is one important feature of xp which is not available in 2k, compatability modes. There are a few older games which wont run on 2k, and some older software, but most of these games can be run on xp in 9x compatibility mode.

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October 27, 2001 4:00:00 PM

i dont get M$ at all. Well the home version for $199 you need to registered it. the Pro Version for $299 doesnt need to be registered. Lets see WTF are they thinking.

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October 27, 2001 4:16:14 PM

a: you have to register pro too, corporate version is non registration, but only devils own is out for that I believe.
b: answer what? you made a statement, not a question.

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October 27, 2001 5:36:09 PM

Unless XP has some feature that you desperately need,just stick with 2K. Why spend $100 when XP isn't really revolutionary. Just stick with 2K.

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October 27, 2001 5:54:33 PM

Windows XP Home Edition is revolutionary for Windows 9x/Me users, however Windows XP Professional Edition is not revolutionary for Windows 2000 Pro users.

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October 27, 2001 6:17:37 PM

So going from 98 or me would probably be worth it, but not from 2K??
I have 98 and was thinking of 2k, but I guess XP looks better overall.
October 27, 2001 8:19:33 PM

matisaro, are you really buying a new OS just to support old stuff?

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October 27, 2001 10:45:32 PM

HAHA, I'm just gonna get the pirated version for $2.5, I'm sure somebody will find a way to get rid of the stupid registration. If not, I'd rather have to reinstall the OS every 30 days then spend $199

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October 27, 2001 10:51:37 PM

Going from Windows 98 or Windows Me to Windows XP is amazing. You'll get better performance and a lot more stability and a fresh new interface to go along with it all. However, going from Windows 2000 isn't as impressive because all you get is more compatibility and a new look plus a few other minor tweaks/additions.

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October 27, 2001 11:34:27 PM

XP is nice, as was Win2K. If you have up to date hardware (like 1+ Ghz and 256+ Mb), I'd recommend it. The activation is really a non issue if you buy it (just one click if you have internet, which you obvisouly have since you post here). Going from win2k to XP gives you mostly a nice user interface only (I admit, a very nice one.. gotta love these picture folders and custimizable icons). Going from win 9x is truly an eXPierience.. stability at last..

Downsides could be the usual compatibility issues. Im having some minor trouble with virusscanners, Nero and ICQ. They all kinda work, but dont seem to like the new UI. KaZaa doesnt work, but that should be fixed real soon.

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October 28, 2001 1:29:47 AM

The Pro version DOES require activation! Where did you hear otherwise?

Back to you Tom...
October 28, 2001 1:31:47 AM

Why would anyone think XP is a revolutionary upgrade over 98SE? Stability? Quit using junk hardware and you won't have stability problems in 98SE!

Back to you Tom...
October 28, 2001 1:33:14 AM

98SE outperforms XP. Flat out. XP looks faster because it caches frequently used programs so they START faster, but the same thing that makes them START faster makes them RUN slower do to overhead!

Back to you Tom...
October 28, 2001 1:35:38 AM

Activation a non-issue? When did this happen? You DO know that your only allowed a small number of activations before you have to call them up and beg for permission, don't you? And that many hardware changes require re-activation! God forbid we should make frequent changes to our systems!

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October 28, 2001 3:12:49 AM

WindowsXP is bloated out the A$$ buggy ware. At this point and time . At this point and time you can crash it like a tweakster on a 5 day mumble run. Even with the driver updates it is still very unstable. And I know people will say they have it running solid but just put in 1 of the wrong games or programs and blink BSOD pops up and shuts down .Stick with win98 or win2k for now unless u just need 1.78 gigs of your HD space occupied by XP!

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October 28, 2001 3:25:38 AM

pro (standalone) requires activation. corporate doesn't. well really the interface i admit go rather annoying after just a few hours. cheesy and cartoon-ish looking and i'm going out on a limb here saying they are trying to compete with OSX on interface.
October 28, 2001 5:20:17 AM

iv been useing winxp pro (retail)for about a month and half. its pretty damn good. cartoonish u can change it in display for a classic look. yes it starts up much faster i beleave it has to do with them completely getting rid of dos. I dont know about that whole cache thing with it preloading and paying for it in performance iv been using this since 12 am to 6 am and i have not noticed the slightest drop in performace. i dont know about win98se out performing winxp have u ever left win98se on for 8 hours, sure it starts up pretty quick so does win95 with all the new hardware thats out. And to the guy who said all it is winxp with extras LOL u over simplified it alot. if u have the money or connections.. GET IT!!! $299 is pretty expensive. but instead of buying win2kpro buy xp pro. and u can get all service packs when they come out like win2k pro u can just download then from windows update. oh god dont waste your time with upgrades if thats the case just stick with your original OS. The only reason not to buy it its 299 but then again all MS's OS are 299, but also too i dont know how it feels to walk in to a store and pay 299 for an OS:) .i give it 4 out 5 Anna Kournikova camel toe.
October 28, 2001 10:42:13 AM

No, there is generally nothing older than 6 months in my pc, I have a problem ;-).

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October 28, 2001 10:44:58 AM

Crash, honestly that has not been my experience, 98se outperforms xp by a hair. What was the configuration of the system you ran xp on.

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October 28, 2001 10:45:25 AM

Quote:

98SE outperforms XP. Flat out. XP looks faster because it caches frequently used programs so they START faster, but the same thing that makes them START faster makes them RUN slower do to overhead!

Not if you have enough RAM. 512MB RAM is the sweet spot for multitasking in Windows XP. Well, it's really unrelated to hardware. There are hardware problems and then there are software problems. Even if you have perfect hardware, Windows can still crash. In Windows XP you have unlimited resources, so you can open as many programs as you want without crashing Windows. Also, in Windows XP, if a buggy program crashes, it won't crash your entire system, like it sometimes happens in Windows 98SE. However, if Windows crashes due to a bug, that's another matter.

Crashman, you're not seeing the whole picture. As a programming hobbyist, I can tell you that a crash can have nothing to do with your hardware.


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October 28, 2001 10:50:38 AM

Yeah, I set up xp on many systems, making myself a pirate in the process heh, anyways, none of the systems has crashed ONCE, and they run the gambit from p3 550 to a 1.5ghz tbird with a via southbridge and sblive card. I am telling you xp is stable as hell.

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October 28, 2001 3:22:36 PM

those people might not be power users such as other people and use special hardware or software, just for running office win 95 is good anough!
windows XP is really crampy, i had a hacked pro version and i formatted after 2 weeks into the instolation.

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October 28, 2001 4:26:24 PM

XP is great. I have the Pro version, which DOES require activation, and it's flawless so far. Not a single crash in over a month.

So far only beta testers have been the big critics. I can't exactly take people using the devilsown pirated version or a beta version seriously since that's not the final release. Read the reviews and ask people who bought the OS what they think.

As far as software piracy, you can pirate the retail version if you want using a 13 MB file replacement crack (from the corporate version). I don't have faith in the devilsown version.

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October 28, 2001 6:07:07 PM

I've got the corporate version for free(work for about 8 school systems, its worth it to keep me educated on new OS's).
in order, best to worst
Win2k
WinXP
WinNT
Win98
Win98SE
WinME
Win95

the only reason I give XP over NT is due to the fact that NT doesn't support 90% of the games I play. no DX, no DOS...
for a work system, its a helluvalot better than XP, imo...

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October 28, 2001 6:27:11 PM

I tried it on a BX platform and an i815 platform with a PIII 933 and 512MB RAM.

Back to you Tom...
October 28, 2001 6:28:23 PM

Yes, I have seen program crashes cause an O.S. crash in 98SE, but I don't use buggy programs.

Back to you Tom...
October 28, 2001 6:39:04 PM

and yes, devilsown is the final.
October 28, 2001 7:41:52 PM

Devils own is the final release version.

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October 28, 2001 8:25:20 PM

Final version of what? Is it the corporate dell version that has leaked, or is it a patched version? I'm almost dead positive that the corpfiles crack replaces the version number of whatever you crack, so if you crack something before 2600 it'll show you 2600 after the crack. I know that the crack works on the beta versions as well as final releases.

It's impossible to have faith in that version considering that we can't be sure how the version was made. I stick to what I know works. Unless you know you have a corporate version, or you know you have a home or pro version that you personally cracked, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot stick.

Granted, The devils own version might be a good version, and the crack might not replace version numbers, but until I know that for certain I wouldn't recommend it.

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October 28, 2001 8:47:52 PM

Where are all this recommendations of lots of ram coming from? I run XP on a system that has 256 mb of memory. I also disabled all that services thats not necessary, and have a system that takes ~60 megs for a startup. I also disabled the swap file completly. Has no problemos what so ever and think the response times is as good as in w2k...
October 28, 2001 8:54:46 PM

Well, I like lots of RAM because I like to open 30 Windows at once. Multitasking rulz!!!!!!

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October 28, 2001 9:15:25 PM

Which services can go? I've disabled the one for Nvidia, but that's it. What else?

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October 28, 2001 9:20:54 PM

How much ram are you running?
October 28, 2001 9:49:02 PM

256MB and it's really slow with lots of open windows, so I'm upgrading to 1GB RAM.

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October 28, 2001 10:09:37 PM

I've been testing XP at work for compatibility with all our client's software. So far, i'd have to agree with you. Win2k with cartoon desktop. Overall though, XP is not bad at all.
October 28, 2001 10:13:25 PM

Interface qualms shouldn't even be voiced. Its completely customizable. It does have a classic view too you know, so you can make it look like win2k.
October 28, 2001 10:33:05 PM

as a win2k user i find that insulting!

like a VW beetle weaing a Ferrari badge on the bonnet :) 

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October 28, 2001 11:16:24 PM

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I'm a win2k user too. I'm glad XP is based upon win2k.
October 29, 2001 2:26:16 AM

no, but when you hear all the time "xp rules", "xp is the best os", etc, etc, etc. all i'm saying is other than ms's poor attempt at an OSX look-a-like there is nothing superior to w2k. and for me personally, created more problems that were non-existant in w2k.
October 29, 2001 8:34:30 AM

Right now I m trying to find out which ram would be good. Which DDR. PC2100 or 1600. It looks to me pc 1600 higher price. Which would tell me it better but I want to make sure. For I m going to buy 3 512 megs of ram. Or two 1 gig of ram.

Its not that I need all the ram. its just in a spot where I Use %60 of my pc133 768 megs. And when I move to the Window XP Pro. I want to be able to use both my Montiors. And just want to have spare ram.

System is amd athlon 1.53 1800 dual video card dual monitors sound blaster live and Ati TV card and cable Modem and Reg modem.
October 29, 2001 3:18:49 PM

is that an information post?
i didnt find a real question in there, not one that makes sance anyway.

-2 vid cards and ATI tv card?(troll?)

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October 29, 2001 4:15:01 PM

My 2 cents...

I have installed XP alot now and the activation doesnt bother me at all.

WinXP is a pretty version on Win2k and the compatability mode works great.

It loaded perfectly first time, and detected all my components (god I love owning a Intel based machine). not a single crash yet so I not seen a BSOD or whatever its called now in XP.

I ordered my pro copy from newegg.com for 150 bucks. you gotta order something (anything hardware) to get that deal (check refurb stuff w/ free shiping).

P4T loaded perfect

P4B had a easy fix driver problem with .inf file. had to extract by running setup -s

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October 29, 2001 9:20:06 PM

I also just got win XP but i got the Home Edition. I got it for $100 from staples and got the digital camera package. For my it has been completely since i loaded it on saturday afternoon. Hasn't crashed once. Hmm... Fugger i have an AMD system with a VIA chipset and didn't have any trouble with XP. XP in my opinion is awesome and i'll never go back.

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