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December 6, 2009 9:13:37 PM

Hey all,


A quick question here about my older system. Trying to squeeze a few more years out of this system before i get a replacement.

Current Set-up

Dell Dimension 8300 {all standard parts except the following}

--Pentium4 3.0ghz hyperthreading processor (it clocks a speed of 4.25ghz)
--256mb GeForce 7800gs AGPx8 (standard clocked speeds)
--2 sticks of 256mb memory, and 2 sticks of 1gb memory both sets running in dual channel. A total of 2.5gb of RAM

My question is, would these add ons be compatible with my current system, and not create a bottleneck. As these are basically the only things that are able to be upgraded due to this being a Dell and everything being captive and restricted due to Dell.

Adding the following:

--Upgrading the video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
--Upgrading the RAM to be matching values, as well as upping the total amount of RAM to 4gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Please advise.

Thanks for your help and time in advance, Brandon.

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a c 1407 U Graphics card
December 6, 2009 9:16:57 PM

That should work. GPU has a low power requirement and the ram is DDR.
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December 6, 2009 9:59:45 PM

Thanks for the quick response,

What i'm specifically hitting at is to make sure that either adding this video card and RAM won't be overkill for my processor, and that my P4 processor will handle these without it becoming a bottleneck.

Thanks again, Brandon.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
December 6, 2009 10:07:32 PM

The P4 will definitely bottleneck an HD4670 but it's still a decent purchase. Not, however, at that price. Is there a reason you picked out the most expensive one on the site? Here is one that's $50 less, $55 after rebates;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The difference in memory is entirely meaningless for that card FYI.
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a c 1407 U Graphics card
December 6, 2009 10:10:37 PM

jyjjy said:
The P4 will definitely bottleneck an HD4670 but it's still a decent purchase. Not, however, at that price. Is there a reason you picked out the most expensive one on the site? Here is one that's $50 less, $55 after rebates;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The difference in memory is entirely meaningless for that card FYI.

AGP!
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a c 376 U Graphics card
December 6, 2009 10:17:19 PM

Ah, didn't see that.
Not worth it then, save some money at least and get an HD4650
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That CPU is going to struggle with most current games no matter what you do so be aware of that. You'll be able to play older games decently and some current games at low settings/resolution.
Honestly you would probably be best off saving your money and putting it towards a new system. For a budget of $300-500 you can build yourself a decent gaming computer these days that will be worlds better than you current system.
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December 6, 2009 10:18:54 PM

jyjjy said:
The P4 will definitely bottleneck an HD4670 but it's still a decent purchase. Not, however, at that price. Is there a reason you picked out the most expensive one on the site? Here is one that's $50 less, $55 after rebates;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The difference in memory is entirely meaningless for that card FYI.



Ok, making sure i'm getting you straight here.

You are saying that my processor will be plenty powerful enough to handle what the above mentioned upgrades will be able to throw at it?

Therefor meaning, that there is really not any better card to get other than the 2 mentioned here for the AGPx8 systems, equipped with a powerful P4 processor?

Thanks again, Brandon.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
December 6, 2009 10:26:10 PM

No, your processor is weak. It will be functional with the card you linked but it will not use an HD4670 to it's full capabilities. I didn't realize it was AGP so the first card I linked can't be used but the HD4650 can and is more appropriate for your processor. The CPU will still hold you back from playing most current games however.
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December 6, 2009 10:31:55 PM

jyjjy said:
No, your processor is weak. It will be functional with the card you linked but it will not use an HD4670 to it's full capabilities. I didn't realize it was AGP so the first card I linked can't be used but the HD4650 can and is more appropriate for your processor. The CPU will still hold you back from playing most current games however.


Ok, just for more information, my P4 processor is a hyperthreading 3.0ghz, (and performs at 4.25ghz) I already stated this obvious, BUT my next and final question is:

Would overclocking this CPU to a possible 3.5 - 4.0ghz, depending on stability, make the above mention 4670 card coincide better with one another? And possibly use the card to its full potential?

Thank you again, Brandon.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
December 6, 2009 11:13:27 PM

It would help a bit to OC but im pretty sure Dell motherboards don't allow for OCing. Even if they did OCing plus an HD4670 is a bad idea on an old 250w psu so that's another upgrade there and now your total is over $200 which is a lot more than you should be spending to upgrade a 5 year old computer. And the processor would still be too weak to play most current games. Even a Pentium D would limit you from playing games an HD4670 can handle
If you really want to play current games you could replace the motherboard, CPU, ram and PSU and use your old case/hard drive/optical drives. If you want to go as cheap as possible something like this would work;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$221 total after rebates(there's a lot of em.) You would be able to play almost all current games at medium to high settings at resolutions 1280x960 and below.
If you have the money though I'd recommend going for a quadcore Athlon II instead and 2 more gigs of ram, perhaps a new case as well. For higher resolution you'll need a different video card.
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a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2009 11:37:54 PM

Yeah it would probably be better if you upgrade the entire computer. The intel p4 are just underpowered to run today games. With your system being close to being with my spec:

2.8 ghz intel P4 Hyper-threaded cpu

Gigabyte -8IPE1000 Pro2 motherboard

2 gig of ddr1 ram

EVGA 256MB 6200 GF ddr2 AGP Video

430 watt PSU

i know that adding a more powerful gpu would not help with running new game as the cpu hold them back. The best game i been able to run is Assassin creed 1 (barely) but nothing better will run.

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a c 1407 U Graphics card
December 6, 2009 11:53:36 PM

warmon6 said:
Yeah it would probably be better if you upgrade the entire computer. The intel p4 are just underpowered to run today games. With your system being close to being with my spec:

2.8 ghz intel P4 Hyper-threaded cpu

Gigabyte -8IPE1000 Pro2 motherboard

2 gig of ddr1 ram

EVGA 256MB 6200 GF ddr2 AGP Video

430 watt PSU

i know that adding a more powerful gpu would not help with running new game as the cpu hold them back. The best game i been able to run is Assassin creed 1 (barely) but nothing better will run.

The 6200 was never considered a gaming card and is the limit of your system. Most people where on high clocked single core CPU´s during the introduction of GF7xxx series and ATI X1xxx series HD4670 performs about 15-20% better than the best of those cards. With a high overclock on a P4 I do not see a problem
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a c 376 U Graphics card
December 7, 2009 12:11:25 AM

An HD4670 is about 28% more powerful than a 7900GTX. And that card plus a modern processor would be a lot better gaming option than a P4 with a modern card. CPU tech has made huge leaps with multiple cores and architecture in general(a core2duo is generally twice as powerful as a similarly clocked Pentium D.) GPUs have stagnated in comparison to the point where Nvidia has rebadged the same card for 3 generations and it's still a decent option.
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a b U Graphics card
December 7, 2009 2:12:06 AM

rolli59 said:
The 6200 was never considered a gaming card and is the limit of your system. Most people where on high clocked single core CPU´s during the introduction of GF7xxx series and ATI X1xxx series HD4670 performs about 15-20% better than the best of those cards. With a high overclock on a P4 I do not see a problem


Yes, i do know that the 6200 were not meant for major gaming although when i needed i new gpu for my computer at the time (like 4 years ago) the best agp gpu card my local mom and pop shop had was the 6200 (yes im a supporter for mom and pop shops).

Although now a 5+ year old computer is not worth upgrading as games and gpus require much more powerful cpus. Aka, a p4 is not enough to run newer gpus to the full potential. As jyjjy said, even a modern cpu will be better option than a p4.

The main issue with p4's is it deep pipelines. This is one of the reasons why the p4 was slower than Amd athlon 64's. I remember a few of the veterans on here said that it took a Very high over clock p4 4.5 to 5+ ghz just to match the same performance of a stock 2.6 or 2.8 ghz athlon 64. This is how inadequate these cpu are to power a moder gpu.

Now if this was an Althon 64 i would just say overclock that cpu as high as it can as it will probably run modern gpus very nicely.
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