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December 8, 2009 7:28:54 PM

heeyyy guys, going to have a go at building my first computer this xmas, not very tech savy so what ive came up with so far is really only based on other people opinions and reviews of the hardware. will fill out the sheet to give yous an insight to the uses of the system.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (before, or during xmas sales - defo before new year) BUDGET RANGE: (at the start i planned on splashing £750 on the project, since then it's went up abit, not sure of the exact figure. Just seen some parts and they look better and are only mabye 50 quid dearer and thought..ahh what the hell :) 

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (gaming first and foremost, online gaming(for referance MMO's like lotro and the up comming star wars. other than that just general wasting time on the net :)  )

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (going to buy everything new, dont see the point in building a super dooper system and playing with a ball mouse!, mouse will be Razer Naga, keyboard the Acrosta or the other razer one, mouse mat the Razer destructor. sound..whatever. OS windows 7) [[i have no included any of these parts in the overall price, i class these as extras if i cannot afford them when i get the system up then they can wait, other than windows obviously.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (overclockers or ccl.co.uk) COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: (Scotland, UK)

PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type (------)

OVERCLOCKING: mabye VERY gentle overclocking, i.e using the software that mobo's provide. dont want to f it all up since i know nothing about the BIOS
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No, chosen a card

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (1680x1050, spanking new Dell ultrasharp 22", uses an e-IPS pannel )

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: (----------)


okay so heres what i've come up with so far, im hoping you guys can help me expand and suggest better, if there is :) 

Case: Antec 1200 http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=22... or if the budget will not allow it then the Antec 300 http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=21...

Hard Disk: 1TB Samsung SpinPoint F3 http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=36...

Processor: Intel i7-920 http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=27...

Motherboard: Asus P6T http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=31... i am unsure about this choice, would the other asus mobo's offer anything that i would use, the deluxe v2 caught my eye but i dunno what it does that this one doesn't.

cooling: Coolermaster V8 CPU Cooler http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=33...

Graphics: Sapphire Radeon HD 'Vapor-X' 5870 1GB (this has went up in price by nearly 100 quid since i last looked at it, would only buy it if it fell back to 300)http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=40...
otherwise HIS Radeon HD 5870 1GB Graphics Card http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=37...

PSU: 620W Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=10... possibly a smaller unit if my system will work under it, 550W mabye

RAM: 6GB Corsair XMS3 1600MHz Triple Channel Memory Kit http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=31... would need to be fast and 6G, other than that im open to anything again here.

as far as DVD/CD drives go any old one will do me fine as i dont intent on watching movies or anything.
mabye some blue neon lights for the inside of the case and a fan/temp monitor on one of the drive bays, but they're as cheap as chips.


think thats everything - hope i've provided enough info if not just say, would really appreciate any input at all unhelpful or not :sarcastic:  , you are the experts :D 

cheers again guys
Stephen

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December 8, 2009 8:15:08 PM

Since your system will only be used for gaming and surfing the net, and you do not want to crossfire two graphics cards, there is no point in buying a i920 / X58 system. A i750 / P55 system will cost you about $220 USD (CPU + MB + RAM) less than a i920 / X58 system, and the i750 system will actually outperform the i920 system for gaming:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...

The Antec 1200 is a full tower case and will accept the long ATI 5870 graphics card. Other cheaper alternatives that will accommodate this long card are the Antec 902 or the HAF 922. I would not get the Antec 300 because the graphics card (5870) would be a tight fit.

The rest of your build looks really good. The Sapphire and HIS graphics cards are equally good -- buy whichever one is available and cheapest. The Corsair power supply is excellent, but if you go with a i750 / P55 system, you could downsize it to a 550W unit to save some money.

Good luck with your build.
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December 8, 2009 9:52:39 PM

thanks for the reply paul, why is the i7-920 £100, or double the price of the i5-750 if it's getting beat in all the benchmarks?
why are folks paying £100 more for something being out-performed by a product for half the price, there must be a catch :heink: 
December 8, 2009 10:00:20 PM

At stock speeds, the i5s aggressive turbo (it shuts down unused cores and overclocks the used ones) lets it run faster with single core apps like gaming. The difference goes away as you overclock. When it comes to multiprocessing apps, the i7s hyperthreading gives it twice as many threads and it solidly outperforms the i5.
December 8, 2009 10:36:35 PM

stephenmcalinden said:
thanks for the reply paul, why is the i7-920 £100, or double the price of the i5-750 if it's getting beat in all the benchmarks?
why are folks paying £100 more for something being out-performed by a product for half the price, there must be a catch :heink: 


The conventional wisdom is that the i920 / X58 system is the fastest mainstream computer available today. That was true back in August 2009, but that position has changed with the introduction of the i750 & i860 / P55 systems, but it is not common knowledge. Most people do not realize that the i750 / P55 system actually outperforms the i920 / X58 system when using only one graphics card:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=364...

But most people realize that the i920 utilizes two PCIe X16 slots when two graphics cards are installed, whereas the i750 / P55 system is limited to two X8 slots in this situation. However, in actual performance testing the improvements are miniscule. In fact, in some cases with two graphics cards, the i750 actually outperforms the i920, and visa versa, but these systems are essentially identical:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-gaming,2403...

But then many people allude to the fact that the turbo mode advantage of the P55 processors are lost if they are overclocked. This is true. But both the X58 and P55 platforms have good overclocking potential. The following article shows the performance of the i920 / X58 system compared to the i860 / P55 system at stock speeds and overclocked to 4.2 GHz with either one or two-crossfired ATI 5870 graphics cards:
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3649&p=6
Once again, the performance of these two systems is nearly identical with the i860 outperforming the i920 in some applications, and visa versa.

The bottom line is that the i920 / X58 system is over one year old, and is nearing the end of it's product life. A new generation of processors are introduced each year. The P55 processors were just recently introduced. One of the reasons the i750 & i860 / P55 platform does so well is because these processors have incorporated the PCIe bus onto the chip, thus eliminating bandwidth bottlenecks associated with the Northbridge chip required in the i920 system. It should not be surprising that new technology performs better than the old technology, and is cheaper. This is a collorary of "Moore's Law."

However, once conventional wisdom is ingrained in a population, it is hard to change peoples minds even when presented with facts from reputable sources. There are a lot of people that will parrot the conventional wisdom without ever knowing the facts.

The other thing that is extremely confusing for most people is Intel's naming scheme. It seems logical that an i920 processor should be faster than a i860 processor, and certainly much faster than a lowly i750 processor. But this is not the case because the i860 and i750 processors are the new technology, and the i920 is old technology.
December 8, 2009 10:54:57 PM

@Dpaul, there is further complication to your narrative. The next CPUs coming out for your so called "new tech" 1156 socket are going to be inexpensive hyperthreaded dual core, low end CPUS (maybe called i3). The next CPUs coming our for the "old tech" 1366 socket are the 6 core (maybe called i9). Intel stated that the 1156 is their current mainstream platform and the 1366 is the current high-end platform.
December 8, 2009 10:59:53 PM

Yes, Intel will be coming out with new i9 processors in 2010, and I would hope that these will incorporate new technology that makes them faster than the P55 processors. You can buy a computer today with the knowledge that in 18 months or less it will be old technology. This is a good thing.
December 8, 2009 11:19:07 PM

Still wondering if anyone still awake at this ungodly hour could clear up the differance with the Asus P6T boards and tell me which one is the best in the series, for my needs.
December 8, 2009 11:27:51 PM

stephenmcalinden said:
Still wondering if anyone still awake at this ungodly hour could clear up the differance with the Asus P6T boards and tell me which one is the best in the series, for my needs.


Thats easy. You should get the ASUS P6X58D Premium. It is the only motherboard that ASUS sells that is compatible with the 32 nm, 6 core processors that will be coming out in 2010.
December 9, 2009 11:51:14 AM

dpaul8 said:
Thats easy. You should get the ASUS P6X58D Premium. It is the only motherboard that ASUS sells that is compatible with the 32 nm, 6 core processors that will be coming out in 2010.


for my needs that board doesn't sound like what im looking for, i dont plan on revamping my system a year down the line. I'm expecting the thing to last a good few years - ideally 5.
December 9, 2009 12:29:42 PM

IMO I change the mobo for an ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 or EVGA A1.
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