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December 9, 2009 6:22:40 AM

I'm getting a CPU shipped to me and need some advice on what video card to get.

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Intel i7/920 @2.67 X8 cores Brand New
EVGA X58 SLI X3- 132-BL-E758-A1 Full registerable
6gigs Platium OCZ1333 DDR#3 Triple Channel
WD 300Gig Velco Raptor@10K RPM's for gameing and for your OS
WD 500gig Barricuda@7200.12
EVGA 8800 ULTRA@612 Mhz// 2160 Memory Clock //1.51 Shader Clock//104 gigbytes bandwidth[/B
LG Super Burner
Zalman 5.1 Headphones &mic
Razer Lachesis Lazer Mouse & Kingwin Keyboard


Yeah there's an 8800 Ultra there but I feel it'll be bottlenecking the system so I'm going to purchase an ATI 5xxx or 4xxx video card. Right now I'm leaning towards 4890 since I intend to get a 24" monitor this Boxing Day but I'm not entire sure which to get. The idea of DX11 support is nice but it doesn't really look like any DX11 games will be out any time soon and the ones on the list on Wikipedia frankly don't seem very interesting. That being said, I've read that with future driver updates the 5770 should be around the same speed.

Any advice? Or advice for a different video card all together? Or better yet, advice in general for the build is appreciated. It originally had 1x 4 GB RAM but I talked the guy into doing 6 GB of triple channel RAM instead.

Thanks.
December 9, 2009 7:10:10 AM

godinster said:
I'm getting a CPU shipped to me and need some advice on what video card to get.

Quote:
Intel i7/920 @2.67 X8 cores Brand New
EVGA X58 SLI X3- 132-BL-E758-A1 Full registerable
6gigs Platium OCZ1333 DDR#3 Triple Channel
WD 300Gig Velco Raptor@10K RPM's for gameing and for your OS
WD 500gig Barricuda@7200.12
EVGA 8800 ULTRA@612 Mhz// 2160 Memory Clock //1.51 Shader Clock//104 gigbytes bandwidth[/B
LG Super Burner
Zalman 5.1 Headphones &mic
Razer Lachesis Lazer Mouse & Kingwin Keyboard


Yeah there's an 8800 Ultra there but I feel it'll be bottlenecking the system so I'm going to purchase an ATI 5xxx or 4xxx video card. Right now I'm leaning towards 4890 since I intend to get a 24" monitor this Boxing Day but I'm not entire sure which to get. The idea of DX11 support is nice but it doesn't really look like any DX11 games will be out any time soon and the ones on the list on Wikipedia frankly don't seem very interesting. That being said, I've read that with future driver updates the 5770 should be around the same speed.

Any advice? Or advice for a different video card all together? Or better yet, advice in general for the build is appreciated. It originally had 1x 4 GB RAM but I talked the guy into doing 6 GB of triple channel RAM instead.

Thanks.


The 4890 is a dead end. The 5770 runs much cooler and will be able to play dx 11 games that will be coming out soon. But seriously, if you spent that much cash on a pc, why not just buy a 5850?
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December 9, 2009 7:39:48 AM

i wouldn't call 4890 a dead-end, *yet*. it performs slightly better than 5770.

what are the directx11 games? where are they? will they be good? it will be at least a year before dev's stop cashing in on dx11 special effect demo games and start making some good games with it.

it's probably a better idea to upgrade to a 5850 down the line, when the good dx11 games appear. therefore your 'filler' card should do whatever you want it to do. personally, i want my card to do more for my money.

btw my powercolor overclocked 4890 runs at 40-50 degrees, and i can't hear it.
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December 9, 2009 7:51:13 AM

tarquinbiscuitbarrel said:
i wouldn't call 4890 a dead-end, *yet*. it performs slightly better than 5770.

what are the directx11 games? where are they? will they be good? it will be at least a year before dev's stop cashing in on dx11 special effect demo games and start making some good games with it.

it's probably a better idea to upgrade to a 5850 down the line, when the good dx11 games appear. therefore your 'filler' card should do whatever you want it to do. personally, i want my card to do more for my money.

btw my powercolor overclocked 4890 runs at 40-50 degrees, and i can't hear it.


There is no point in paying $200 for a 4890 just for it to become useless in one year.

It would be better to get a 5770 now, they are cheaper than 4890s, only performs slightly less well than a 4890, it will be ready for future dx11 games, and they run very cool and quiet thanks to there more efficient 40nm fabrication process.

Plus, thanks to their low heat, low energy usage, they make great crossfire cards. Get a 5770 now, and another one later for cheap. This way you have all your bases covered.

Your overclocked 4890 really depends on your cases cooling and what you consider "quiet." For some people a soft hum in the background isn't considered noisy, for others it is.

Although, the 4890 is great if you want to play older games at really fps though. Some person on here was asking about playing Counter Strike source at 100fps, and that was the card recommended to him.
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December 9, 2009 8:00:57 AM

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Do not be mistaken the gap between the 4890 and 5770 is too big to close with mere driver revisions. The 4890 is the faster card, there is bearly any true DX10 games so I doubt that DX11 games will be out any time soon in huge quantites of titles. Secondly by the time the DX11 games are released the 5770 will probably be too slow to run then.

Price/performance the 5770 is the best bang for your buck, I would only buy it because of the price, nothing more.


Very true. The 4890 is much more powerful than a 5770. But the 5770 is just as strong as a 4870, but is runs very cool and sips energy.
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December 9, 2009 8:05:55 AM

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^ I agree that the 5770 is the better card, because of that price/performance ratio, cooler etc. I personally think the 4890 is overpriced and does not represent value for money.

BTW, has the threadstarter considerd the 4770 in crossfire, they can perform better than a 4870X2!


Really? Do have any links to an article/review on that?
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December 9, 2009 8:30:35 AM

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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4770-crossfi...
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the 4770 is a bit hit and miss though, when it scales it does well, but then sometimes it scales awkwardly.

I've seen 5750s for the same price, they are slightly faster than the 4770/4850 so they should scale better.


http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5750-review-cro...


Where have you seen 5750s for the same price of 4770s?

And thats one of the big reasons why I don't like crossfire. Its unreliable in that not all games support it. Plus, having to wrestle with driver/game issues is no fun.
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December 9, 2009 8:36:47 AM

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Look at my last link from guru 3D, the 5750 actually scales well, its pretty much consistantly beats or edges the 4870 X2. Look at Farcry 2

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5750-review-cro...


Are you in the UK? I've seen the 5750 costs the same as the 4770


Nah, the US. The 5750 is $145, and the 4770 is $115. And that sucks.
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December 9, 2009 1:22:42 PM

I should have clarified, I have absolutely no intention of crossfiring since it's really not an effective way to spend money.

Thanks for all the feedback guys, I'll decide soon :) 
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December 9, 2009 1:35:40 PM

Not mentioned by the OP is his PSU. Before knowing what that is, it is hard to make definitive recommendations. A quality 500W-550W PSU can run almost any single video card configuration, but I wouldn't be surprised if the guy doing this build is using a cheap generic that came in whatever case he is using. A generic "600W" PSU with a liar-label on it may have trouble with a 4890.
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December 9, 2009 3:32:37 PM

godinster said:

Yeah there's an 8800 Ultra there but I feel it'll be bottlenecking the system so I'm going to purchase an ATI 5xxx or 4xxx video card. Right now I'm leaning towards 4890 since I intend to get a 24" monitor this Boxing Day but I'm not entire sure which to get. The idea of DX11 support is nice but it doesn't really look like any DX11 games will be out any time soon and the ones on the list on Wikipedia frankly don't seem very interesting. That being said, I've read that with future driver updates the 5770 should be around the same speed.
Thanks.

I learned a lot by reading this one of the best reviews:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658 (for 5770)
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643 (for 5870)

As of now, almost decided on Sapphire 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5.

~akula2
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December 9, 2009 6:37:08 PM

akula2 said:
I learned a lot by reading this one of the best reviews:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643

As of now, almost decided on Sapphire 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5.

~akula2


Ha! See everyone, I was right! :D 

But yea, that card you picked is great, you won't be disappointed.
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December 9, 2009 7:26:04 PM

Um is no one else worried about where hes buying this thing from?

A place that sends him a quote

1. w/o mentioning the PSU
2. Intel i7/920 @2.67 X8 cores Brand New- um it has 4 cores, 8 threads, not 8 cores...
3. EVGA X58 SLI X3- 132-BL-E758-A1 Full registerable first off registrable is spelled wrong, second wtf does a fully registrable MOBO mean?
4. LG Super Burner- There's no such things as a LG super burner...

so yea, who are you getting this PC from again?


edit: some actual changes

- Prices for the individual components? 300gb Velociraptor retails $199, spend the xtra $50 and get a X-25M G2 80gb. World of difference.
- Do you want the 500gb for storage or games/apps?
- If its for storage then get something like the 1.5tb WD Caviar Green for $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- For performance, get the Samsung Spinpoint F3
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December 9, 2009 7:30:16 PM

banthracis said:
Um is no one else worried about where hes buying this thing from?

A place that sends him a quote

1. w/o mentioning the PSU
2. Intel i7/920 @2.67 X8 cores Brand New- um it has 4 cores, 8 threads, not 8 cores...
3. EVGA X58 SLI X3- 132-BL-E758-A1 Full registerable first off registrable is spelled wrong, second wtf does a fully registrable MOBO mean?
4. LG Super Burner- There's no such things as a LG super burner...

so yea, who are you getting this PC from again?



Hmm... good question. Have to be careful on that psu though..
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December 9, 2009 9:01:34 PM

Yes, I noted that too, so yes it is a concern.
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December 9, 2009 10:38:56 PM

So yea, OP, you might wanna just buy parts and assemble this yourself.
It's not hard and there are many guides to assembling a PC yourself.

See the stickied Topic
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274745-31-step-step-g...

Personally, I'd never buy from someone who makes up parts and specs outta thin air...
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December 10, 2009 12:09:36 AM

Hey guys I appreciate the concern. I forgot to mention, the PSW is a Thermaltake 700W. The reason there's broken English in the descriptions is because I'm not actually purchasing it for money, I'm getting it from someone in exchange for something else, otherwise I'd do a 1.5 TB drive as well as put a different video card in. As it is I plan on using it as-is aside from the video card and I'm going to toss a bigger third HD in there for storage.

The other thing, he's including a CoolerMaster Wavemaster as the case. Reading reviews it seems like an older case but also a solid one as well. I'm hoping there'll be enough room in it to install a good aftermarket cooler on the i7?
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December 10, 2009 1:37:47 AM

wow that case is like 4-5 years old lol. Its nice though, however looking up it's specs its 7.8" wide. That's an issue as my 9.1" Element G barely fits a large aftermarket cooler. There is a slight design diff where there's more space btwn motherboard tray and the side panel below it in the Element G, but 1.3", dunno, might be tight.

Problem here is most companies will have the maximum fitting HSF height listed on their website. The wavemaster is so old though that I can't find those specs >.<

Best bet is to wait till after you get the PC, measure what space you have and then buy the HSF.
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December 10, 2009 2:01:02 AM

4890 it is.

I wonder if I'll be able to OC much with stock cooling on the i7 with that case.
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December 10, 2009 11:28:24 PM

anyone else?
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December 11, 2009 9:22:45 AM

overclocking with stock cooling is not a good idea.

overclocking an i7 when you've got a 4890 is probably not needed either... i'd imagine overclocking cpu would only noticably effect performance if you're crossfiring two mid-high graphics cards.
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