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December 9, 2009 8:49:48 PM

This is the first time I build my own PC. So please tell me if you see big reg flag compatibility issue.


Which system sounds more like a better deal?

My own build:

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail
CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 - Retail
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B
XFX HD-477A-YDFC Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
ASUS P7P55 LX LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

$975.37 CAN

CyberPowerPC built link: www . newegg . ca / Product / Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229130

Chipset Intel P55 (Anyone knows which Manufacturer is it? I think it's Gigabyte)
CPU Type Intel Core i5
CPU Speed 750(2.66GHz)
GPU/VPU Type NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
Graphics Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Memory Capacity 4GB DDR3
Memory Speed DDR3 1333
HDD Capacity 500GB
HDD Interface SATA II
PSU: 700W
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium

$764.90 CAN

People keep telling me building your own PC is cheaper. So I've tried building my own PC but the cost is about the same. Note: The one I built is actually more expensive but has better Rams, Video Card, PSU, Hard Drive. Note 2: The CyberpowerPC is actually around 850$ but because of further savings, it becomes much cheaper.

Conclusion: If it wasn't for the further savings then both PCs are pretty close in price. The one I built will be around 80-100$ higher but better in areas I mentioned above. One important difference is the Mobo, the one I built is a standardATX while the cyberpowerPC, someone told me, is a microATX (Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2).

Still the cyberpowerPC is pretty decent and great price. I would like your opinion and suggestion on which system is a better deal. Furthermore, if you're able to find alternative parts to lower the price of my own built I would gladly appreciate the assistance.

As you can see my budget doesn't exceed 1000$. Preferably I would want something in the 800$ range so I have more money on the side for x'mas gifts... don't want to disappoint family&gf :lol: 

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December 9, 2009 8:58:08 PM

Cyberpowerinc is a good alternative to building your own and you'll save yourself a couple hours. The OS usually evens the cost. Could you post the prices of your homebuilt setup?

A 650w power supply is overkill for that system. A good 500w unit should work.

The samsung f3 500gb hard drive is faster and cheaper.
December 9, 2009 9:06:28 PM

What are you planning on using this system for? The 650TX is a very nice PSU, but overkill for your system. This PSU would easily power the system for considerably less money.

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W $80.99 - $20 MIR

If you plan on gaming then you should get a better GPU. What resolution does your monitor run at? We really need to know all the information in the "How to ask for new build advice" sticky at the top of the forum in order to help you. Without knowing what resolution your monitor runs at, I would suggest a 5770 as a great all around GPU.

SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB $171.99

Here's a combo for your CPU and OS.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...
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December 9, 2009 9:19:32 PM

I've purchased a pc from Cyberpower and my brother has bought 2, one of them just 2 months ago. My experience with CP is this.... PROS: cheap prices, good warranty, average with shipping. CONS: installed a bootleg version of xp (first time and only time buying from private dealer so I don't know if this the norm, they did send xp on disk so I just reformatted and was good), hardware not connected when shipped (CPU HSF!!, memory card reader, floppy drive), had a faulty temp monitor on my tower, over the phone customer service can be 1 hour wait or more (often times they just don't answer the phone, and don't return messages for 4 days or not at all), customer care reps over phone are very brief/unprofessional and do NOT want to solve your problem just want to get you off the phone. I've still recommended CP to others because of the prices but i warn them that your own fixing of problems is often necessary. If you plan to overclock at all make smart picks from CP, they have a lot of low end hardware that brings the prices down.

If I was to buy custom again I would try Ballistic.com. Just heard about them from Toms. Cheap prices, better quality hardware options.

I would recommend building it yourself if you don't mind doing it. You can pick items that will last you for the next build which will save money over time such as: that Corsair 650 (I have it and like it a lot), a decent tower with good cooling, a decent heat sink fan, optical drives, hard drive. Currently I am getting ready to buy a new MOBO, CPU, and ram in 1st quarter next year once the 930 comes out (depends on price). But that's all I need everything else I have already. Makes it a lot easier to get my wife to agree to the expense when I'm spending less.

December 9, 2009 9:42:14 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: this week BUDGET RANGE: 700-1000$ CAN
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, surfing, movies.
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers.
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:newegg, tigerdirect.ca,
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN:Canada
PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type: Intel, good mobo, VC: (ati or nvidia)
OVERCLOCKING: No/Maybe
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No
MONITOR RESOLUTION: (e.g.: 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1440x900, 1600x1200, 1680x1050, 1920x1080, 1920x1200)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: windows 7

Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - OEM $32.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... $74.99

XFX HD-477A-YDFC Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail $120.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop $99.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

ASUS P7P55 LX LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $134.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 $219.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W $80.99 - $20 MIR
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

total afte rshipping & taxes $952.56 CAN


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CyberPowerPC built link: www . newegg . ca / Product / Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229130

Chipset Intel P55 (Anyone knows which Manufacturer is it? I think it's Gigabyte)
CPU Type Intel Core i5
CPU Speed 750(2.66GHz)
GPU/VPU Type NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
Graphics Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Memory Capacity 4GB DDR3
Memory Speed DDR3 1333
HDD Capacity 500GB
HDD Interface SATA II
PSU: 700W
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium

$764.90 CAN
December 9, 2009 10:00:39 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
You really should get a better GPU since gaming is listed as the first use. The 4770 will not give you a great gaming experience at your resolution. The Sapphire 5770 I linked to above would be a good choice. If you need to lower the price a little, you could go with this motherboard:

GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $119.99



The microATX will not cause a problem with bigger video card such as the sapphire 5770 you recommended.
I've read somewhere in the cyberpowerPC review where someone purchased a higher end graphic card and it took so much space on a microATX that it rendered 1 PCI slot unusable.
December 9, 2009 10:15:17 PM

A dual slot GPU will always block the slot directly under it, regardless of what motherboard you have. That micro-ATX board would work fine with a 5770.
December 9, 2009 11:34:08 PM

Ok, I think this is pretty much a great PC within my budget max of 1000$

Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - OEM $32.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $44.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $59.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail $171.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop $99.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $149.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 $219.99
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W $80.99 - $20 MIR
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $121.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

total after S&T $1,066.69

note: I could save $30.00 by opting for the gigabyte microATX shortstuff has suggested. Concerning the PSU you said 500W is plenty enough, from the same brand they have a 600W for $8.00 more, would this be a good buy? I know 600W would be overkill, but it's in case in the future they make video card requiring more power. What if I buy another graphic card and take advantage of the crossfire, will 500W still be enough?
December 9, 2009 11:50:22 PM

Have you looked at all the www.cyberpowerpc.com deals? If you are willing to spend $1000. I found some pretty cheap builds and you can customize them to the way you like it. Change the videocard, change the case, or anything else to your liking.

Intel Build

Holiday Special II http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Holiday_Special_II/
• Raidmax Skyline Gaming Case
• Intel Core i5-750 CPU
• GigaByte P55M-UD2 Intel P55 MB
• 4GB PC1333 PC3 10666 RAM
• 750GB SATA-II 7200RPM HDD
• NVIDIA GTS 250 512MB Video
• LG 22X DVD±R/±RW Drive
• High Definition 7.1 Sound

$775

AMD Build

Gamer Dragon 8000 http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Dragon_8000/
• Thermaltake Element-T Case
• AMD Phenom™II X4 925 CPU
• Asus M4A78LT-M LE AM3 MB
• 4GB PC1333 PC3 10666 RAM
• 1TB SATA-II 7200RPM HDD
• ATI HD 5750 1GB Video
• LG 22X DVD±R/±RW Drive
• Windows 7 Home Premium

$789
December 9, 2009 11:55:09 PM

If you are going crossfire 600w would be a good idea. Just make sure it's sli/crossfire certified. Most power supplies have peak efficiency at around 50% load anyways.

If you don't plan to go crossfire you might want to look at gigabytes P55A series motherboards. They include USB 3.0 and sata 6gbps.

Did you try upgrading the cyperpowerpc build to match your homebuilt spec wise?
Btw your link did not work for the cyberpowerinc build.
December 10, 2009 12:07:20 AM

Alright, do you really want to buy a computer from a company that installs a torrented OS? Illegal OS often include keyloggers and other viruses that can severely hinder your computer or steal your information. Not the mention all the backdoors that could be in the OS, which means a hacker can put files on your computer at any time they want.

Building a computer is not hard at all. The parts are designed to fit together, its not rocket science.
December 10, 2009 12:28:08 AM

I have heard nothing but bad things about cyberpower customer service. That would be the only reason to buy one versus building you r own, so cyberpower does look like as good of a deal as it seems. just my opinion though
December 10, 2009 12:32:18 AM

Weather they provided him with a XP disc or not doesn't matter. They installed a torrented copy of XP is the point.
Parts you buy come with 3-5yr warranty, some with lifetime.
If you read the post, the OP said CAD. That doesn't mean US dollars. 789CAD =~ $830. A core i5 can easily be done on an $830 budget with all quality parts. cyberpower doesn't even tell you what HDD or ram you get, thats some good parts.
December 10, 2009 2:05:07 PM

Back to the OP's question about the PSU. Yes, the 600W PSU would be enough for crossfire 5770's. The problem is that Crossfire isn't really an option on the motheboard you picked since it runs its second PCI-E slot at 4x. I wouldn't worry about trying to make the system Crossfire ready with your budget. You would have to spend more on the motherboard and you're already slightly over budget.

I don't know why CyberPower is even still on the table. It seems the OP already decided on a very nice homebuilt system. Poor customer service and questionable practices aren't the only negatives to a CyberPower system. They also cut corners anywhere they can, especially with the PSU and RAM. The PSU is the one component that you absolutely don't want to go cheap on since a cheap PSU will cause all sorts of problems ranging from system instability to fried components. Your latest homebuilt system is a great build that uses quality components and fits your budget, I would completely forget about CyberPower.
December 10, 2009 4:45:40 PM

I stirred the bees nest with my comment so I'd like to make a final statement for those considering CP.

I think the windows XP OS was a copied disk they installed on all their pcs before burn in process. They should have installed the disks that would be sent with the system but they were too lazy to do that. Again poor quality on their part but obviously CP relies on cheap prices to sell their systems not quality service.

If you don't plan on overclocking then CP seems fine imo. Generic hardware is sold to consumers when they buy a Dell, HP, Gateway etc and those systems can run for 10 plus years. Personally I would use CP in a heart beat before I would buy from a major supplier. (I think the systems you see in Best Buy and elsewhere are a rip off in comparison to what you could get for that money). I was lucky enough to get a decent overclock on my CP system using generic parts (also stock HSF) and am still using it stably 4.5 years later (but only the cpu, and mobo are left, changed a lot of hardware recently). This is what I have and its been set to this for the duration-- I got an amd3800x2 and a A8N-SLI motherboard to 2.5ghz and 1.4vcore.

Are you one to buy the generic dvd player because it works, and its cheap, or do you get the Samsung because you want a little extra security and quality. The end result may be so small that you couldn't distinguish between the two.

Which ever way you choose to decide don't second guess yourself when it is done, be happy! You will enjoy more builds in the future.

I'm in the process of getting a new system and I decided to build it myself. Its not too hard and I'm enjoying it a lot. I will have more pride in this system than any I have ever had before. So I agree with Shortstuff_mt, but I'm not opposed to CP like he/she is.

December 10, 2009 5:46:27 PM

I agree with shortstuff, except I've just today been reading a lot of generally bad comments about OCZ PSUs so I'd change that to a Corsair VX550 or an Antec Earthwatts 500 if you're doing a single card.
People are citicizing the HD4770 for your resolution; lol, the 9500GT in the CP PC would be left in that one's dust. I couldn't find anything when searching for "PSAZ-CP700" so I wouldn't trust the PSU they're using either, certainly not to be capable of anywhere near 700W.
So, go with shortstuff's suggestions but get an Antec or Corsair PSU.
December 10, 2009 5:53:13 PM

Conclusion: After reading more about building your pc and looking at system built by other people in the forum, I decided to build my own system. At first I was still considering CyberPowerPC because of the 160$ savings. In addition, I've never built a system before so I was uneasy with the idea that I must do it.

Although, after looking at some articles people suggested and how to video on youtube, it doesn't sound too complicated. I'm now entertained by the idea of building your own system! It gives me a better understanding of what's inside my PC and what further upgrades are feasible with respect of the parts I picked.

I've also read reviews about fake XP, or parts not completely attached and poor customer service. On the other hand, I've read many reviews suggesting they have good quality&price.


As a result, I think I'm using the cyberpowerPC as a benchmark on trying to match performance&price.

Once I finally get the newbie building your own system out of me, I'm looking forward to add in my own recommendation on building your PC. I found myself addicted to messing around building systems in the past couple of days :wahoo: 


"Crossfire isn't really an option on the motheboard you picked since it runs its second PCI-E slot at 4x. I wouldn't worry about trying to make the system Crossfire ready with your budget. You would have to spend more on the motherboard and you're already slightly over budget. "

Yeah I'm debating on whether having a mobo to support crossfire or sli is a good idea, because the price is higher. On the other side, I could stick to the current mobo or cheaper ones and forgo crossfire, sli and just get a better graph when the higher ones are cheaper. I guess I need to read on becnhmark result comparing let's say two 5750 vs a single ati 5870/5970
December 10, 2009 5:56:44 PM

Another one falls to the homebuilt system bug. :)  It certainly is highly addictive!

Good luck with the build. Building a system really is very easy. Just be sure to spend some time thoroughly reading the motherboard owners manual. Going through this checklist will also help you avoid some of the most common first time builder mistakes.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-read-postin...
January 12, 2010 10:18:44 AM

woozyM said:
Ok, I think this is pretty much a great PC within my budget max of 1000$

Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - OEM $32.49
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $44.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $59.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail $171.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop $99.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $149.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 $219.99
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W $80.99 - $20 MIR
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $121.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

total after S&T $1,066.69

note: I could save $30.00 by opting for the gigabyte microATX shortstuff has suggested. Concerning the PSU you said 500W is plenty enough, from the same brand they have a 600W for $8.00 more, would this be a good buy? I know 600W would be overkill, but it's in case in the future they make video card requiring more power. What if I buy another graphic card and take advantage of the crossfire, will 500W still be enough?


If you are going to use this card in your system
SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail $171.99
You need to have at least a 600 watt power supply check out the manufacturers website for minimum system requirements . This is the card I'm going to use in my next build based on Maximum PC's Feb 2009 article How 2 Build a Crazy Fast 647 USD PC its based on a AMD Processor so it will be more for the intel processor
January 12, 2010 9:22:11 PM

What is wrong with going 64 bit for Windows 7?
January 13, 2010 4:56:58 AM

Quote:
No, a HD5770 would do just fine even on a 380W Earthwatts PSU. Per http://www.sapphiretech.com/presen [...] 01&pid=296 it only needs 9A of +12V.


i have a question where are you getting the power requirements as only being 380 watts for a single video card system with the specs that woozyM posted for his PC Build

cause when you use your link that you posted in response to my first post about needing a 600watt system this is what the page states i am copying and pasting it to this post right from the website link you gave here they are

Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 System Requirements


* PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard

* 500 Watt or greater power supply with 1x 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ Technology in dual mode)”

* Certified power supplies are recommended. Refer to http://ati.amd.com/certifiedPSU for a list of Certified products

* Minimum 1GB of system memory

* Installation software requires CD-ROM drive

* DVD playback requires DVD drive

* Blu-ray™ / HD DVD playback requires Blu-ray / HD DVD drive

* For an ATI CrossFireX™ system, a second ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 graphics card, an ATI CrossFireX Ready motherboard and one ATI CrossFireX Bridge Interconnect cable per graphics card (optional) are required

* To support 3 displays, one of the monitors has to support DisplayPort.

These specs from youre posted link clearly state the minimum requiremments as this * 500 Watt or greater power supply with 1x 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ Technology in dual mode)”

also your power supply is not on the certified ati/ amd list i always use the recommended power suplly that te 3 manufacturers agree upon mother cpu and video card

also there is an excellent how to guide on maximumPC's webiste that uses this very video card in its how to build a 647 USD cheap gaming pc and see what there power supply wattage recommendation is for this video card here is the link to the article just copy and paste link in your browser
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/how_build_awe... and there is a great statement in this article that i want to quote " The one place you shouldn't scrimp on is the power supply ."

Basically the point I am trying to make here to you woozyM an anyone else that is interested and it answers your question about future upgrades is Future Proof your PC as much as possible now a little extra cash investment now in a larger power supply at least a 600 if not 700 but no larger than 750 anything larger than this would be pure over kill for your system some people will say 600 is overkill for your system . Will pay off later if and when you decide to upgrade your video card and if you got the 750 you could change your motherboard and get that second video card and set up crossfire down the road and all you would have to do is invest in a new motherboard that is compatible with your current cpu and ram and video card and has the two pci express slots that you need and a second video card with no power supply investment because you already made that investment when you built the system in the first place Maybe you should upgrade your Motherboard now to that is up to you .You are the only one that truly understands your present financial status its your decision ultimately unless you are married and then you need to discuss this with your wife also . Always remember this statement when specing out a PC build FUTURE PROOF FUTURE PROOF FUTURE PROOF what are my PC needs going to be in 6months a year two years 3 years .
Also research what new products are coming out over the next couple of years there are tons of sites that leak this information on the internet gust use google or what ever search engine that you use a better vid card mobo or graphic card could be coming out quite soon Like the adage goes for any pc bought or built its out of date 30 minutes after you turn it on for the first time . Plan your build wisely it might be wise to wait a few months before building ,unless you need a pc right now then build it now .You are the only one that knows what your pc needs are right now and in the immediate future do what is best for you


Why i say think three years in advance in trying to future proof your pc is because of a pc future proofing snafu that I personally ran into If I spent the extra 75 USD on the 600 watt power supply instead of the 480 power watt power supply I put in the last pc I built three years ago I wouldn't have to shell out the 150 USD now for the new pc that i am planning to build soon I want a very specific brand of power supply that has unique features to it and it is only sold in couple of places on the internet that are reputable so there isn't a lot of price comparison on it compared to other brands that are sold everywhere I am just jutting that pc and putting in a more powerfull cpu motherboard I would like to have 8 gigs of ram in it but that will have to come at a later date other Upgrades are higher on the list then another 4 gigs of ram at the moment
I am an AMD man for life now The first 2 PC's I had between 1993 and 1998 where both intel based and I had nothing but Trouble with them the second one should of been An AMD based system by Gateway but at the time I didn't want to wait for the system to be built and shipped to me it was like a month and a half wait time back then went to a local electronics store for the money i spent should of gone with the gateway eventually I did get a gateway 4 in total all AMD based systems 3 desktops one is my dads I recommended it to him when he wanted to upgrade his old radio shack intel computer and a notebook is mine . In fact my first gateway desktop is still running and i bought it in august of 2000 and it cost me 2500 . The Video Card being disscussed here a blue ray player recorder live tv recorder card basically I want to build a very modern Media Center PC the computer I am gutting the case dvd dvdr/lightscribe drives was a gaming /media center pc when i built it it just didn't have the tv card and the ability to record tv they were still around 500 USD back then to pricy for my 800 USD budget back then . I think I can build my media center / gaming / internet browsing pc for a total cost of 1750 USD and it will be able to kick a lot of Intel butt .Sorry but I am and AMD man for life . No offense meant every one has there own preference when it comes to processors and what components they want in there own personal PC after all it is their personal PC an no one elses well i have rambled on enough i guess

Like I said Future Proof Your PC As Much As Possible Now Look At What your pc needs will be in three years it will save you some money in the long run more than likely . Hope this has been some help 2 you . Also look in the computer build forum here there is a lot of posts about what specs people have used for intel based pc's using this chipset of video card by several different makers of this model video card xfx, bmg , and a ton of others

but do check out the maximum pc article i mentioned above and do more research there are tons of articles and forums on building a pc before you committ in stone to any set of specs its hard to change things once you have opened them alot of places charge a restocking fee for returned items once you start buying your parts make sure they are what you really want in your pc before you check out a lot of sites have wish lists place items there to see what it costs do this on different sites comparison shop see what there return /refund policy is do they charge a restocking fee before actually checking out and buying your parts .

hope this has been some help just a funny thought to leave on remember what they say opinions are like a...h...s every one has one good or bad just giving my two cents you can take it or leave it


January 13, 2010 9:26:34 AM

Most GPU manufacturers considerably overstate power requirements because there are still a lot of Chokemax PSUs being sold, with liar-labels on them.
The PSU calculator at http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine suggests a mere 287W is all that system needs; I used 2xHDD and 4x120mm fans.
And, I'm one of the last people who would scrimp on the PSU. The Earthwatts line is excellent. For a single HD5770, the 380W model would do just fine; the 500W model wouldn't break a sweat Crossfiring a pair of them.
January 13, 2010 9:38:33 AM

From ATI's website...
450w psu for single hd5770
600w psu for SLI
see http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...

However from the comments on reviews they tout this as very low power usage card, so it seems if the max consumption is known you could buy a lower rated psu and be just fine.
January 13, 2010 9:17:37 PM

Those "requirements" are to allow for the possibility of someone having a fecal PSU that is only capable of 60% of its labeled output under realistic operating conditions. If you know the PSU you will buy is indeed capable of outputting what's on its label, then the amount suggested by a PSU calculator such as the one I linked will work just fine.
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