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Phenom x4 vs i5-750

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December 11, 2009 3:00:18 PM

Which system would you find more attractive.

AMD

SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail $171.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail $109.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail $95.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

ASUS M4A79 Deluxe AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

$354.98 (for mobo and processor) combo deal

Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B $32.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1682...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders $121.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1683...

Antec Three Hundred Black Computer Case $49.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1681...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 320GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $59.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1682...

total: $997.41 CAN

Note: dual x16, triple x16 / x8 / x8, or quad x8 link but ddr2



INTEL

SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail $171.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Antec Three Hundred Black Computer Case $49.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1681...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 320GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $59.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1682...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders $121.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1683...

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBHK $99.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1682...

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W Power Supply compatible with core i7 $89.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1681...

Intel Core i5-750 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1681...

GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD3R ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1681...

combo deal: $359.98 (for mobo and processor)

total $985.41 CAN

Note: dual card 1 @16x, 1 @ 4x, ddr3
Note2: it will actually be 20$ more, therefore more expensive than the AMD built if I pick the same corsair PSU


As a gamer which one will be your pick?

To think about: The AMD will permit me to dual, triple, quad graph card but is ddr2, The Intel is clocked higher, it's processor is meant to better handle games and it's ddr3.

In another thread (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-276089_13_0.ht...) someone posted this:
"The AM3 socket is going to be AMD's main socket for at least 2 years. That means additional CPUs and motherboards. "

"Another factor is the upgrade path. The i5's LGA 1156 socket doesn't appear to have one at this time. The i5 was introduced by Intel to compute with AMD's much cheaper offerings. Chances are the socket will disappear in a year or so. "


Conclusion: It comes down to future upgradability vs better immediate gaming performance, doesn't it?

More about : phenom 750

December 11, 2009 3:08:09 PM

There's nothing to think about. You buy a gaming pc to game NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not 3 months down the road. Def. not a year later. Get the rig that plays games the best.

Oh and by the time you've saved up enough dough for a 2nd or 3rd same gpu, there'll be a new single gpu that costs more or less the same as the 2x or 3x you're planning to do. Multi gpus are good if you can get 'em right away.

One more thing, if you upgrade from 1 to 3 gps gradually and slowly, by the time you sell 'em it'll be worth nothing. I for one prefer to upgrade every 6-12 months so I get at least half the money I spend on the gpu.
December 11, 2009 3:33:49 PM

I pick neither. Both of those builds have terrible flaws.

DDR2? Really? DDR3 isn't going to cost more, and is much better. There are a lot of better boards available.

The Foxconn sockets are a problem for that Gigabyte Intel board.

That HDD is notorious for problems.

All in all, those are bad builds for the budget. I suggest you start from the beginning...

As far as the debate, it depends on a number of factors that vary from person to person.
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December 11, 2009 3:38:37 PM

p55ibexpeak said:
There's nothing to think about. You buy a gaming pc to game NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not 3 months down the road. Def. not a year later. Get the rig that plays games the best.

Oh and by the time you've saved up enough dough for a 2nd or 3rd same gpu, there'll be a new single gpu that costs more or less the same as the 2x or 3x you're planning to do. Multi gpus are good if you can get 'em right away.

One more thing, if you upgrade from 1 to 3 gps gradually and slowly, by the time you sell 'em it'll be worth nothing. I for one prefer to upgrade every 6-12 months so I get at least half the money I spend on the gpu.



I totally agree. The main difference with the phenom x4 is that it support hyperthreading while i5-750 doesn't. Nowadays games are slowly taking the advantage of HT. Therefore, I would need an i7-860 that supports HT this means it'll up cost for at least 200$.

Maybe Hyperthreading and game performance is overrated...if it is then I'm going Intel, but if not the AMD is still attractive. I dunno, I guess only time will tell.

December 11, 2009 3:42:37 PM

The Phenom doesn't support hyperthreading. Only the i7 does that.

Intel is pretty much better across the board (gaming and other uses), but AMD is definitely has the better price point. It entirely depends on the budget.
December 11, 2009 3:43:51 PM

Your Intel build looks pretty good. I would get a Seagate 7200.12 series. Its Seagate's latest and greatest and sure to be faster than the .11. Seagate's .11's did have some firmware problems that Seagate claims to have rendered.

As for Foxconn sockets. Almost every major motherboard manufacturer uses Foxconn sockets. There is nothing wrong with Foxconn as a motherboard manufacturer or motherboard parts.

Foxconn BIOS's could use a bit of work though lol.
December 11, 2009 3:49:34 PM

MadAdmiral said:
The Phenom doesn't support hyperthreading. Only the i7 does that.

Intel is pretty much better across the board (gaming and other uses), but AMD is definitely has the better price point. It entirely depends on the budget.


As for gaming the important parts are processor, mobo, psu, memory & video card.

processor i5-750
mobo: which one would u suggest?
video card: I think it's decent.
psu: the corsair one is great
memory: the least effective when taking in account the 3 above.

Budget 1000$ CAN = 944.91$ US
December 11, 2009 4:02:29 PM

BTW the link is a mistake for the asus mobo

it's actually this one
ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

so it is ddr3, so i'll change mem ddr2 to ddr3 (about same price)

Therefore the total: $997.41 CAN CAN total

I just put the wrong link.


Basically, the amd is cheaper, is ddr3, and I can rely on additional video card for gaming.

The intel i5-750 is more expensive, is better but I'll need a better mobo if I want to dual 16x and my budget will exceed 1000$ CAN
December 11, 2009 4:19:43 PM

You can't do dual x16 with the i5 (or i7 1156). The PCI-E stuff is built into the CPU and it is 16x max (which can be split with the proper MB to 8x/8x).
December 11, 2009 4:20:10 PM

That's basically the argument. AMD is good performance and cheap. Intel is great performance and expensive. Typically, on a budget of $1000 (US) or lower, I recommend AMD. $1000 (US) or higher, it's the i5.
December 11, 2009 4:23:58 PM

I'd probably go with the AMD build if it is cheaper. Definitely get an AM3 board with DDR3 and i'd switch the Hard Drive to a Samsung Spinpoint F3, WD Caviar Black, or a Seagate 7200.12.
December 11, 2009 4:57:01 PM

Alright glad to know I'm doing an ok job, it's the first time I'm building a PC.

After a couple of different set up and checking out other threads I to think along like

Typically, on a budget of $1000 (US) or lower, I recommend AMD. $1000 (US) or higher, it's the i5.


Btw thanks for the recommendation ext64.

I think I got all my doubts cleared on building a gaming system for the most bang for the bucks (1000$)

And happy holidays!
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