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December 11, 2009 8:56:50 PM

Hi

Advice for parts for a new gaming and music production PC, video editing. In Scandinavia it's priced at about $3000.

I've built some PCs myself, but that was a looong time ago, so I'm not updated on anything. But it seems to be a good config to me. But my main issue is the PRICE TAG. I'm looking to cut down on something, and another thing, is there some obvious bad choices in this config?

My requirement is that it will be able to run games like Crysis 2 with no trouble. Another thing is that I'm going to use my old PCI E-MU 1820 Digital Audio System that I'm going to continue to use, so I don't need a mainboard with audio.

Here's the parts:

  • CPU: Intel Core i7 Quad 920 2.66GHz S-1366 4.8GT/sec 8MB Boxed Compatible with RAM with 1.65V
  • Mainboard: ASUS P6TD S-1366 X58 ATX 3xPCI-E Audio7.1 2xGbLAN 1394 SATA-II Raid DDR3 Retail
  • Memory: (Don't know what brand) DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz Value Gold Tri Channel 6GB Kit(3x2048MB) 8-8-8-24 (i7)1.65V
  • HD: Samsung harddisk 1.0TB 7200RPM SATAII 3.0Gbps 3.5" NoiseGuard SilentSeek 32MB NCQ.
  • Box: Cooler Master - Case Midi Tower HAF 922 w/Red Led Fan LED on/off Swith E-SATA WO/PSU
  • PSU: Chieftec 850W with ATX 12V 2.3/EPS-12V w/14cm Fan PFC Cable Management 80 Plus
  • Monitor: ASUS 26" Wide WUXGA 1920x1200 D-SUB/DVI/HDMI/Component 2ms Speaker 3Wx2 Webcam2.0MP USB port
  • Graphics: ASUS VGA-Card Radeon HD5750 1024MB PCI-E 2xDVI/HDMI HDCP Fan
  • DVD: ASUS Blu-Ray Rom Reader 8x /DVD Recorder SATA Internal Black Bulk
  • OS: Windows 7 Ultimate / Home DVD Win7 64-Bit OEM - any reason to select Windows 7 Ultimate, or will the home edition do fine?

    Is the HD a major bottleneck these days? Extra faster hard drive for just for the operating system, a very good advice?

    The monitor is a bit expensive but has an built in webcam that I need to buy in any case, so if there's nothing better, I'll go with this one.

    Any idea on how I could get similar value for less money?
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    December 11, 2009 9:49:29 PM

    First of all, I've no idea how demanding Crysis 2 will be but I assume it won't change much, thus when playing on 1920x1200 you will need a better video card. The 5870 is probably the best choice. An alternative would be the 5850, buy one now and another one later once Crysis 2 has been released.
    But that's just guessing, Crysis 2 might run well on crossfired 5770s due to DirectX11, who knows, I don't. :D 

    HDD: I guess that's the Spinpoint F1, try to get the F3.
    PSU: Depends on the video card. Though, go for CORSAIR.

    I don't know the prices and such nor do I know how much you are willing to spend but if you got enough money an SSD might be an option.

    torquewille said:
    Any idea on how I could get similar value for less money?

    Without knowing the prices and what actually is available it's rather difficult. But you could probably save some money on a different motherboard.
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    December 11, 2009 11:29:44 PM

    Hi. Thanks for taking the time!

    Dropping the blue ray for later, and updating with prices (Norwegian converted to $), it now amouts to $3030.

    $113 - HDD: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA2 32MB 7200RPM
    $553 - Graphics: ASUS Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI-I, HDMI, DisplayPort, "Dirt 2"
    $388 - Mainboard: ASUS P6TD Deluxe, X58, Socket-1366 - DDR3, ATX, SLI&CrossFireX, Firewire, 2xGbLAN, 3xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
    $397 - CPU: Intel Core i7 Quad Processor i7-920, 4,8GT/sec, 8MB -
    $207 - Memory: OCZ Gold DDR3 1600MHz 6GB KIT, 3xDDR3 2GB, CL8-8-8-20
    $128 - Box: Cooler Master HAF 922 Midi Tower -
    $207 - PSU: Corsair TX 850W PSU - ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus, Standard, 4x 6+2-pin PCIe, 8x SATA, 140mm fan
    $553 - Monitor: ASUS VK266H, 26" widescreen 1920x1200, 2ms, 20000:1, HDMI, DVI, Dsub, 2.0 Mega pixel webcam
    $484 - OS: Windows 7 Ultimate / Home DVD Win7 64-Bit OEM

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    December 12, 2009 1:10:10 AM

    Alright, let's see if we can get the price down a bit.

    Mainboard: The MSI X58 Pro-E LGA should've everything you need, unless of course you plan on doing 3way crossfire. Another option is the GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R, it only has 4 RAM slots and seems to be very picky when it comes to RAM but apparently it's easier to overclock etc. Either way, one of those two would save you quite some money I believe.

    PSU: 550W for a single HD 5870 and 750W for two HD 5870s is enough.

    OS: Get a system builder version and do you really need Ultimate?
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    December 12, 2009 1:36:17 AM

    * Mainboard: ASUS P6TD Get the V2 version
    * Memory: (Don't know what brand) DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz Sort on newegg by lowest proice for CAS8 and buy it....OCZ is $119 now
    * HD: Samsung F3
    * Box: Cooler Master - Case Midi Tower HAF 922 (alternate is Antec 900/902 if ya like blue over red :) 
    * PSU: Stick with Corsair HX or Antec SG if ya can afford, if not Corsair TC / Antec TP
    * Monitor: ASUS 26" will be grainy....dot picth is too low at 85 or so....you want at least 96....Newegg out of all Asus 1920 x 1200's BTW....wait for Asus 24's to come back
    * OS: Windows 7 - Ultimate and Pro have "XP Mode"
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    December 12, 2009 7:18:54 AM

    JackNaylorPE said:
    * Mainboard: ASUS P6TD Get the V2 version
    * Memory: (Don't know what brand) DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz Sort on newegg by lowest proice for CAS8 and buy it....OCZ is $119 now
    * HD: Samsung F3
    * Box: Cooler Master - Case Midi Tower HAF 922 (alternate is Antec 900/902 if ya like blue over red :) 
    * PSU: Stick with Corsair HX or Antec SG if ya can afford, if not Corsair TC / Antec TP
    * Monitor: ASUS 26" will be grainy....dot picth is too low at 85 or so....you want at least 96....Newegg out of all Asus 1920 x 1200's BTW....wait for Asus 24's to come back
    * OS: Windows 7 - Ultimate and Pro have "XP Mode"


    Thanks buddy! Good advice!

    I saw the monitor and it seemed a bit gray. I'll wait for 96. Any other reason to prefer 24"?

    What's the difference between ASUS P6TD and ASUS P6TD V2? A guy at Asus support says they are "virtually identical". The price?

    Microsoft says that the Windows 7 "XP mode" need what is called "processor support for virtualization" or "VT", and Intel says that the Intel Core i7 processor supports "Virtualization Technology (VT-x)". So I propably am going to get the W7 Professional. But if you run into compatibility trouble, I guess it's possible to install good old XP too and "dual boot"?
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    December 12, 2009 8:20:10 AM

    1898 said:
    Alright, let's see if we can get the price down a bit.

    Mainboard: The MSI X58 Pro-E LGA should've everything you need, unless of course you plan on doing 3way crossfire. Another option is the GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R, it only has 4 RAM slots and seems to be very picky when it comes to RAM but apparently it's easier to overclock etc. Either way, one of those two would save you quite some money I believe.

    PSU: 550W for a single HD 5870 and 750W for two HD 5870s is enough.

    OS: Get a system builder version and do you really need Ultimate?


    Thank you! Saved a bit there. Found that there was nothing to save on the PSU.
    $ 217 - Corsair HX 750W PSU, ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus Silver, Modular, 4x 6+2-pin PCIe, 12x SATA, 140mm, the Corsair TX 850W PSU was in fact less expensive $207.

    Guess "3way crossfire" means 3 video cards?

    $242 - MSI Mainboard S-1366 X58 ATX 3xPCI-E Audio7.1 2xGbLAN 1394 SATA-II Raid DDR3 RetailMSI Mainboard S-1366 X58 ATX 3xPCI-E Audio7.1 2xGbLAN 1394 SATA-II Raid DDR3 Retail
    $113 - HDD: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA2 32MB 7200RPM
    $553 - Graphics: ASUS Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI-I, HDMI, DisplayPort, "Dirt 2"
    $397 - CPU: Intel Core i7 Quad Processor i7-920, 4,8GT/sec, 8MB
    $207 - Memory: OCZ Gold DDR3 1600MHz 6GB KIT, 3xDDR3 2GB, CL8-8-8-20
    $128 - Box: Cooler Master HAF 922 Midi Tower -
    $207 - PSU: Corsair TX 850W PSU - ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus, Standard, 4x 6+2-pin PCIe, 8x SATA, 140mm fan
    $396 - Monitor: ASUS VK246H, 24" widescreen 1920x1080 (16:9), 2ms, 20000:1, HDMI, DVI, Dsub, 1.3Mega pixel webcam (Rotatable), 2W x 2 stereo, RMS (VK246H)????
    $ 224 - Microsoft Windows 7 Pro EN, OEM, 64bit
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    December 12, 2009 8:43:37 AM

    Intel i5 CPU's are better for gaming..
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    December 12, 2009 8:50:36 AM

    I like your build, but I don't see why the Asus P6T will not work with your build. It will be cheaper than the MSI and I guess I had a MSI and believe Asus are better. :D  I know the deluxe has more copper. Do you plan on OCing?
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    December 12, 2009 9:04:06 AM

    cgb123 said:
    Intel i5 CPU's are better for gaming..



    Thanks for your time.

    What do you base that assessment based on?
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    December 12, 2009 9:12:47 AM

    cybian said:
    I like your build, but I don't see why the Asus P6T will not work with your build. It will be cheaper than the MSI and I guess I had a MSI and believe Asus are better. :D  I know the deluxe has more copper. Do you plan on OCing?


    Thank you!

    About OCing. If I need it to run Crysis 2, I might try to find out about how to do that.

    Then, maybe watercooling would be something to consider, or is heat not a big problem with the GPU and Intel Core i7?

    And yes I like Asus too, and if it's better and cheaper why not? ;) 

    Do you know more about the difference between P6TD Delux and P6T?
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    December 12, 2009 9:36:02 AM

    I am currently building two machines and one of the recommendations was to get the XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V for CPU air cooling. It gets great reviews for air cooling and looks great! Most reviewers state that they OC and the temp gets down to extremely acceptable levels.

    One of the big differences of the Deluxe mobo is that it can do Quad GPU-SLI instead of three. It also has more copper all around. I also read that it is more OC friendly. The JMiicron chip is also sub par, but the problems I read is more about Raiding the hard drives.

    Also check about the PSU: Corsair TX 850W PSU. You might be able to go down to a 750W. The 750W is supposed to handle a 5970, so it should be fine for you. I bought the misses a Corsair TX 750W so she can CrossFireX two 5770 in the future or handle a 5970.

    I just finalized a build for the misses and the only big difference between her and your build is the GPU. She only plays WoW and photo edits, so I am building it with a Sapphire Radeon HD 5770.
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    December 12, 2009 1:20:48 PM

    torquewille said:
    What's the difference between ASUS P6TD and ASUS P6TD V2? A guy at Asus support says they are "virtually identical". The price?



    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

    V2 has a PCIE-1 slot, 2nd LAN port and same price. For $10 more ....P6X58D Premium has extra GFX slot, 6 GB SATA, USB 3 ... that $10 will do ya lotta future proofing.

    Quote:
    So I propably am going to get the W7 Professional. But if you run into compatibility trouble, I guess it's possible to install good old XP too and "dual boot"?


    Yes, XP mode eliminates the need to dual boot and burn an extra OS license.
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    December 12, 2009 1:32:02 PM

    Just to let you know, Windows XP mode is a joke, it runs slow, sound is not on par with VirtualBox or VMWare, and lastly no 3d support. Your best bet for free virtualization now is VMWare player 3.0. It does support creating new VM now, and you can even run older xp compatible only game on it.
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    December 12, 2009 2:26:43 PM

    JackNaylorPE said:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

    V2 has a PCIE-1 slot, 2nd LAN port and same price. For $10 more ....P6X58D Premium has extra GFX slot, 6 GB SATA, USB 3 ... that $10 will do ya lotta future proofing.

    Quote:
    So I propably am going to get the W7 Professional. But if you run into compatibility trouble, I guess it's possible to install good old XP too and "dual boot"?


    Yes, XP mode eliminates the need to dual boot and burn an extra OS license.



    Thanks cybian, Thuan, and Jack!

    Finally understood what "newegg" refered to, and came up with this:

    $218.99 - ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
    OR
    $299.99 - ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    $84.99 - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    $409.99 - ASUS EAH5870/G/2DIS/1GD5/A Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported ... - Retail
    $288.99 - Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
    $149.99 - OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail
    $99.98 - COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    $109.99 - CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
    $229.99 - ASUS VK246H Glossy Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
    $139.99 - Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
    $44.96 - XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail
    Subtotal: $1,777.86 OR $1,858.86

    Seems to resemble something acceptable to me, but maybe something is totally wrong here?

    Maybe this is the memory I should have selected for the Motherboard?
    OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G2000LV6GK - Retail $199.99
    Somebody mentioned Cas Latency 8, but this has 10

    Anyone with experience on buying online overseas?
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    December 12, 2009 11:53:46 PM

    thuan said:
    Just to let you know, Windows XP mode is a joke, it runs slow, sound is not on par with VirtualBox or VMWare, and lastly no 3d support. Your best bet for free virtualization now is VMWare player 3.0. It does support creating new VM now, and you can even run older xp compatible only game on it.



    Only used it once .... no issues.
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    January 4, 2010 11:08:33 PM

    TYAN S7002G2NR-LE Dual LGA 1366 Intel 5500 Tylersburg SSI CEB Dual Intel Xeon 5500 Series Server Motherboard - Retail

    * QPI: 4.8/ 5.86/ 6.4GT/s
    * South Bridge: Intel ICH10R
    * Number of DDR3 Slots: 8 × 240pin
    * DDR3 Standard: DDR3 1333
    * Maximum Memory Supported: 64GB
    * Channel Supported: Triple Channel
    * PCI Express 2.0 x 16: 1
    * PCI Express x8: 1 x PCI-E x8 slot (w/ x4 link) 1 x PCI-E Gen.2 x8 slot (w/ x4 link)
    * Model #: S7002G2NR-LE
    * Item #: N82E16813151193
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    GMC R-4 Bulldozer AZT-GMCR4-BL Black ABS / SECC steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
    90$
    G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit X3
    288$
    SAMSUNG EcoGreen F2 HD154UI 1.5TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive X2
    220$
    iomega Select 500GB USB 2.0 Portable Hard Drive 34611 - Retail
    99.99
    Intel Xeon E5506 Nehalem 2.13GHz LGA 1366 80W Quad-Core Server Processor Model - Retail X2
    540$
    OCZ StealthXStream OCZ700SXS 700W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready
    99$
    SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
    170$
    http://www.fastfingerkeyboards.com/ ergonomic alphabetic keyboard.
    30$
    LITE-ON Black 4X Blu-ray Disc Reader SATA Model iHOS104-08
    70$
    Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - OEM
    30$
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    ASUS MS202N Glossy Piano-Black / White 20" 5ms Ring Stand & Ergo-Fit Widescreen - Retail X3
    450$
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    100$
    Rosewill RFX-120 120mm Case Fan - Retail
    10$
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