Better CPU or GFX Card?

[bounty_killa]

Hey guys. I have a budget of 300 dollars. I love gaming. I want to upgrade, but I do not know whether my money will be better spent on a better cpu or gfx card. My system has an AMD2+ board details so it is kind of limiting in terms of cpu's. It also has 1.5G of RAM.

I currently use a 8400GS and a Athlon LE-1640 (2.7). What do you think?

 

[bounty_killa]

specs on mobo:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1472

 

[jitpublisher]

Definetly the video card first, that 8400gs is about 2 tiers under what would be considered even a bottom end gaming card. Check your PSU to make sure it can meet the requirements of the new GPU you select. You don't need/cannot make use of a $300 card though.
Something along the lines of a GTS 250 would be a huge world of difference for only about $140. Put the rest towards another gig of memory, or eventually a better processor.

 

[bounty_killa]

Oh so gfx card then. My PSU is "peak load 500W". Would that factor in my selection?

 

[1st duke of marlborough]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125302&cm_re=5750-_-14-125-302-_-Product Great GPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184&cm_re=ddr2_800_4gb_corsair-_-20-145-184-_-Product RAM upgrade

I would suggest a CPU upgrade over RAM, but you have pretty much the best CPU that mobo can handle at 65w.

 

[bounty_killa]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125302&cm_re=5750-_-14-125-302-_-Product Great GPU


I would suggest a CPU upgrade over RAM, but you have pretty much the best CPU that mobo can handle at 65w.

With regards to the cpu, they list better cpu's as being supported:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodcpu2&prod_no=1472&maincat_no=1#menu

If I am not mistaken, AM2+ supports AM3, after a bios update?

And my motherboard supports 2GB Ram MAX. I know, it sucks.

 

[megamanx00]

Ugh, 95W thermal envelope and it looks like they haven't updated the CPU support in a while. Anyway, Looking at the CPU support list looks like you can go with a Phenom II X4 910e at 2.6Ghz. Going over to newegg though shows they don't have it, but they do have the 905e for $189

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103682

Your board also supports the 705e which they have for $119

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103683

It certainly would be a big improvement over the CPU you currently have. If you go with the X4, you would only have enough money left over for a Radeon 4850, which is getting harder to find. If you go with the X3 though you can get a more capable Radeon 5770. Either way it would be a big improvement

 

[jack_attack]

For 325, you can get this.

Phenom II X4 Deneb@3Ghz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471

XFX HD4890
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150438

That's stretching it though, because you still could/should get at least another 1/2gig of ram in there. As far as PSU goes, I'd get a better look at your PSU's brand and amperage ratings. The peak wattage doesn't mean a whole lot, because you don't want to be there.

 

[jack_attack]

I lied to you. I forgot about the 65w limit. Revising...

 

[bounty_killa]

I lied to you. I forgot about the 65w limit. Revising...

I think its a 95W limit.

 

[jack_attack]

Yes, you're right. It's been a long day. I should have said, it can't do 125W.

 

[bounty_killa]

How do I know if I need to upgrade PSU? Is there a way to tell how much power the components need in total?

 

[bounty_killa]

I notice everyone is recommending "directx10" cards. But I see here:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1472

that my mobo supports DX9. So does this mean they are not compatible? Or does this just mean I would not be able to take advantage of DX10 features?

 

[rolli59]

I notice everyone is recommending "directx10" cards. But I see here:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1472

that my mobo supports DX9. So does this mean they are not compatible? Or does this just mean I would not be able to take advantage of DX10 features?

It is the video chipset on the board that can only handle DX9. You will only be able to have the benefits of DX10 if you run Vista or 7. XP only supports DX9 but all new cards are backwards capable for that.

 

[bounty_killa]

Okay so I'm going to look out for those cards. Oh and about the RAM, its really 8GB that it supports. So I can just take out the 512 stick and put a 4GB stick in its place right?

But from what I understand, all memory are not made equal. So what exactly am I looking for in memory? (DDR2)

 

[sinny1]

I suggest you should save up a bit more. u'll get a lot better parts (value/$ wise) maybe a new mobo that can support stronger cpu like the x4 940 (damm only 150 now)

 

[sayantan]

well your current system can,t be used for playing games even at lowest settings...
I recommend you to go for the following system...
AMD AthlonII x4 630($120)
Asus M4A78-HTPC($100)
RAM-It can be your previous ones if they are ddr2,add 1.5 gb more
GFX-RADEON hd 4770($110)

 

[jack_attack]

well your current system can,t be used for playing games even at lowest settings...
I recommend you to go for the following system...
AMD AthlonII x4 630($120)
Asus M4A78-HTPC($100)
RAM-It can be your previous ones if they are ddr2,add 1.5 gb more
GFX-RADEON hd 4770($110)

Really? Even though he can drop a Phenom II X4 into that board, you're pricing out an HTPC board, a 47xx card, and an Athlon II? That system is most definitely upgradeable, and you're telling him to spend money on a HTPC board and a low-middle range GPU. I wouldn't do any of that.

 

[sayantan]

Really? Even though he can drop a Phenom II X4 into that board, you're pricing out an HTPC board, a 47xx card, and an Athlon II? That system is most definitely upgradeable, and you're telling him to spend money on a HTPC board and a low-middle range GPU. I wouldn't do any of that.

AM2+ mobo do support phenom II but thre are certain limitaions...eg the max power rating of phenom processors are 95W but phenomII x4(AM2+) processors have a power rating of 125W,so majority of AM2+ motherboards are designed to supports 95w processors only...hence a phenomII x4 might create problem with such motherboards

check this out:http://products.amd.com/en-us/desktopcpuresult.aspx?f1=&f2=&f3=&f4=512&f5=AM2%2b&f6=&f7=&f8=&f9=&f10=&f11=&f12=True

Only the latest AM2+ mobos support 125w processors..
and I am pretty sure that his current mobo was bought when PHII weren't released....so the chances of supporting a 125 W processor is also very slim...

 

[jack_attack]

Right, but apparently, certain PHII's are rated lower. I'm not sure where he'd go about finding one, but they're out there.

 

[bounty_killa]

Well I don't think I have enough money for a cpu upgrade too, because although 300 dollars seems like a lot for a video card I also have to pay to ship it to where I live (Caribbean) and I have to pay a significant tax. So I will probably cost me twice than what newegg is asking for.

What if I was to just get a dual-core Athlon cpu? I mean in the future of course...are quad-cores so necessary to gaming at the moment?

 

[jack_attack]

Personally, I don't think quads are necessary, at the moment. I play every game, with the exception of crysis, on max detail with very playable framerates with a Core2, usually around 2.9ghz. That's not to say you shouldn't get a quad, because games are getting released now that can use more than 2 cores. It's really difficult to pick GPU or CPU, because the one that doesn't get upgraded will really hold you back. I'd definitely try to squeak at least a dual core CPU in there as well as a GPU, if at all possible, but I can't really build you a setup, because I don't know how the shipping and taxes work in the Caribbean.

 

[bounty_killa]

Ok well basically it comes down to x1.5. So if I was to order a gtx 260 costing us$200 I would have to pay us$300.(approx)

But since I most likely wouldn't be able to upgrade my gpu AND cpu, I should still see an increase in performance right if I go the gpu route?

 

[jack_attack]

Yes, you'll see a difference. How much, I really can't say for sure. I know that you won't unlock all of that cards performance, that's for sure.

 

[sayantan]

with your current cpu you might not be able to realize 60% of gtx260 performance.....So better go for the following configuration

Athlon X2 7750 BE @ 2.7 GHz($120 or less)
MSI Radeon HD 4850($120) or ASUS Radeon HD 4770($105 or less)


this will be a more balanced configuration and you will get more frames on average....

besides the Black edition processors also have an unlocked multiplier ,so you can overclock it by just increasing the multiplier ...The Athlon X2 7750 BE can be easily overclocked to 3.2GHz using stock coolers....Also you can overclock the 4770 to great extent..