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GPU Overclocking Guide?

Total: 47 votes (5 blank votes)

  • Yes
  • 91 %
  • No
  • 10 %
a c 109 U Graphics card
a c 150 K Overclocking
June 9, 2012 5:45:54 AM

Should we have a GPU overclocking guide? A guide that teaches people on gpu overclocking and cooling methods. :hot:  VOTE VOTE VOTE!

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a b U Graphics card
a b K Overclocking
June 9, 2012 6:09:22 AM

I think the CPU overclocking guides need to be updated first. It's incredibly easy to overclock a GPU (at least in my opinion). Although I did vote yes, it should be there but CPU should be given priority.
a b U Graphics card
June 9, 2012 8:16:03 AM

Yes, especially abut O.C.-ing dual card (CFX - SLI) and multi monitor.

Still unable to O.C. my gpus (always something wrong happen)
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a c 109 U Graphics card
a c 150 K Overclocking
June 9, 2012 6:18:22 PM

andrewcarr said:
I think the CPU overclocking guides need to be updated first. It's incredibly easy to overclock a GPU (at least in my opinion). Although I did vote yes, it should be there but CPU should be given priority.

GPU OC is much more trial and error than CPU OC.
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 10, 2012 1:35:10 PM

A word of Caution:

Most overclock their GPUs using the overclock utilities available to run in the operating system and IMO a guide is only necessary for those seeking to BIOS flash their cards.

Anyone assuming your factory mass produced graphics card has the heat sink perfectly seated, could be making a massive mistake overclocking the graphics card with a poorly seated heat sink.

You need to know whats going on under the hood of your graphics card before you even consider overclocking it.

From my own experience overclocking a GPU can lead to either instant death or a crippled card, one reason being crappy factory installation of the heat sink, as hot as the GPUs get if you're going to overclock yours, you need to pull the heat sink and investigate the contact footprint, between the GPU/Memory Chips/ and Voltage Regulators.

Thermal pads are not to be reused, so if you need thermal pads, do not take your card apart until you have in hand what you need to replace, you may be lucky and have a perfectly fitted card, or you may be playing Russian Roulette with it with each overclock step.

All it takes is one memory chip or voltage regulator not making full contact, and you overclock and fry the card, you can think you're safe from the GPUs temperature readout, and not even be aware of how hot the memory chips are.

I've seen far more GPU failures than CPU.

I Voted No.

For the simple reason we have too many newbies that will throw caution to the wind, until they are crying about the consequences of exercising blind ignorance, (Meaning not aware of their cards contact footprint), just before the RMA.

Even if a guide is written doesn't mean they'll read it, seems everyone wants a quick fix today and bypass all the necessary steps to get there, but a quick fix may just be too far for the hardware and it's all over but the crying.

What one card can handle with a massive overclock the same brand card could fail with a one step increase, it is possible and it can and does happen.

Ryan
a c 125 U Graphics card
a c 125 K Overclocking
June 10, 2012 1:44:04 PM

I created one but no-one read it lol....
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 10, 2012 2:36:59 PM

Quote:
I created a bios flash tutorial, and now it is too far in the pile..


That would definitely be something that had better be containing "Do at your own Risk", forum responsibility disclaimers in it to protect the writer, Toms Hardware, and Best of Media!

Every overclocking guide here contains a responsibility disclaimer.
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 10, 2012 2:40:58 PM

Excellent Mike! Ry
a b K Overclocking
June 10, 2012 3:35:48 PM

I agree with Ryans post labeled "A word of Caution:", too many people readonly what they think they need to get the job done and when it doesn't work they complain that the Guide didn't work. :pfff: 

I vote a strong NO for this subject!
a c 109 U Graphics card
a c 150 K Overclocking
June 10, 2012 5:01:09 PM

Why don't we turn Ryan's post into a sticky!? Maybe write a guide on everything that can go wrong? :whistle: 
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 10, 2012 5:37:54 PM

I'm not exactly in the sticky delinquency department here amuffin, most of what I shared in this thread, I learned the hard way, I try to warn others so they won't make the same mistakes I did, however they have every right to disregard my warnings and learn their own lessons.

Overclocking guides are a lot of work especially when you undertake a broad coverage and not a specific platform, all the results and possibilities have to be tested and assured that the guide is accurate, all that has to be completed before the first word is written, or the guide is garbage crap.

Then it has to be updated or ends up full of inaccurate information, because new approaches are learned in time of experimentation, (Especially with new CPUs), and overclocking guides are a lot of responsibility, none of us that have written these guides want to be the reason someone has screwed up their hardware, I would hope.

When it comes to the guides I have written, I make sure they are current and updated, the AMD BE Guide has been modified with new information probably 10 times since it was first written, it has been completely rewritten twice I believe.

So there's a lot of work in posting and keeping a guide updated, and taking on the responsibility of helping others achieve their overclocking goals, you do need to realize what's really involved in any overclocking guide, and it's not after it's been posted and you get a barrage of PM complaints against you.

You have to be as sure as you can be that you have addressed all those various possibilities before the guide is ever posted. Ry

a b U Graphics card
a c 190 K Overclocking
June 11, 2012 2:57:58 AM

So thats me, Ryan, Arthur and I think Recon/384bit voting no, I arbitrarily voted no early on but didn't want to write an essay covering the reasons why not to,
The main one is that people want the magic numbers as Recon's post mentions, they don't want to know xyz about the process, they just want the quickfix and then cry when 'your' numbers kill thier cpu/Gpu, I have answered numerous threads explaining its a bit by bit process and small steps make up the journey, if people are then willing to learn and help themselves fine, but quickfixers I leave the thread,
Theres no point trying to teach those who won't learn
And on the disclaimer front, I usually add them to my mod logs, just in case hehe
Moto
a c 125 U Graphics card
a c 125 K Overclocking
June 11, 2012 9:59:28 AM

I think a guide outlining some very general rules and tips would be ok, perhaps a mention about temps, monitoring, stability testing ETC... steps that apply to all GPU overclocking.
Obviously you can't be specific about each individual graphics card.

At the end of the day I think people will still come and ask questions like "Tell me what settings to use" without reading any guides, but a general overclocking guide with sensible advice will most likely help out some members.
June 11, 2012 4:18:21 PM

Each card is unique, my best practice is 1 step at a time, if that is stable 1 more step, and monitor monitor monitor..temps can spike rapidly.
a c 125 U Graphics card
a c 100 K Overclocking
June 12, 2012 2:36:53 PM

4Ryan6 said:
Not bad wolfram23!

You stayed well on the safe side with that guide.

Thanks Ryan! :D 
a b U Graphics card
a b K Overclocking
June 13, 2012 5:23:52 PM

I'm going to agree with Ry, if it's to mod the PCB Board. But the hurdle will be the difficulty with multiple platforms; what if we could get a large group of us to compile specific platform details. With a lot of us adding input and focusing on items; it may limit some of the over burden and generalized information.

Just a thought.
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 14, 2012 1:27:40 PM

Quote:
Here is my Nvidia Bios Flash Guide:

Edited out the link.


Mike! :pfff: 

Quote:
I will not be held responsible for any mistakes on your part, if your card does brick, make sure you are ready with a seperate card to fix the bricked one.


First off anything you post here at THGF you are responsible for, after it is posted it is the property of THGF and Best of Media, where's the disclaimer other than for yourself?

Quote:
If it gives you nonsense about a protected bios, type nvflash /? and find the flag for unlocking the bios, use it, then go to #2.


That nonsense sir, you sidestep, is the last step of protection to keep your warranty.

Whether you are aware of it or not, once you unlock the BIOS to be able to flash it, your Graphics Card warranty is legally gone, that should be the very first thing you warn THGF users about.

Once the graphics card manufacturer discovers you have unlocked the BIOS, they have every legal right to refuse honoring your warranty and if they do, there's nothing you can do about it.

I have BIOS flashed many GPUs, and your instructions are a little on the unclear side for the less experienced, you should always make a copy of your original BIOS, you didn't tell them to do that or tell them how.

Regarding your BIOS downloads you should always download more than just the one file, and have them on hand just in case of flashing failure, so in my opinion that guide is seriously delinquent.

You need to understand how the inexperienced will take your guide for it's cavalier easiness and totally screw up their card or cards.

IMO command line flashing a graphics card with the operating system running, is taking a big chance!

You yourself were lucky!

Regarding SLI setups, If you flash with a floppy it will auto flash the 2nd card, you should remove the 2nd GPU before the flashing procedure, if you do not want to flash the 2nd GPU with the same BIOS.

You should never flash the 2nd GPU until you are 100% positive the primary card is properly flashed, and operating exactly as you expect it to!

Your Nvidia Bios Flash Guide, needs serious work!

This is exactly why I voted No!

One other thing readers, unless your computer is on a battery backup system you take a chance for any BIOS flashing you do, not only GPU but CPU as well, any power surge, fluctuation, brown out etc. can cause BIOS Flash corruption and complete failure, BIOS Flashing anything is serious business not to be taken lightly!
June 14, 2012 3:08:05 PM

yes i fully agree with u bcause most gpu users when know about overclocking about 80% of them tries to overclock thiers cpu then after cpu they also tries to overclock thier processors nd some of them overclocks their gpu that much that the gpu get fully fried so did i tried bt after about an hour i just restored the factory settings and asked the forum the hw mch i can overclock my gpu bcause in the forum there are many people who know about this bt i also suggest people don't overclock ur gpu if u want long life of ur gpu i overclock my gpu bcause i m going to sell my current gpu and i m going to buys a new gpu im couple of days so if u want long life of ur gpu don't overclock it bcause u can't see inside the case what's happening to ur gpu :bounce: 
a b U Graphics card
a b K Overclocking
June 14, 2012 4:54:01 PM

I agree on the statement simply adverting liability from the user. However, the forum owner and site owner are still liable. That is why good information is so viable, so guides like the one Ry just shredded don't become widely adopted.

If a large user base controls a guide; not one. Then misinformation is likely to be detected, altered then fixed. Assuming the "I'm smarter then you" nerd complex doesn't come into play.

I'm sort of on the fence; I see the benefits of a guide- proper education. But the harm is also noted.
a c 125 U Graphics card
a c 100 K Overclocking
June 14, 2012 5:31:48 PM

I don't see how Tom's would be liable for anything a user did based on info posted on a public forum... Not that I'm informed on the matter, it just seems absurd. I could understand if it was an official Tom's Hardware Article.
a b U Graphics card
a b K Overclocking
June 14, 2012 6:05:38 PM

wolfram23 said:
I don't see how Tom's would be liable for anything a user did based on info posted on a public forum... Not that I'm informed on the matter, it just seems absurd. I could understand if it was an official Tom's Hardware Article.


I was going off what Ry said:

Quote:
First off anything you post here at THGF you are responsible for, after it is posted it is the property of THGF and Best of Media, where's the disclaimer other than for yourself?


If what he said is true, then it appears there is some liability for all parties.
a b U Graphics card
a c 190 K Overclocking
June 14, 2012 6:39:57 PM

what was that act lately pipa or sopa? something about isp's and webmasters being accountable for content posted on their servers?
brain fried atm but i recall there being some stupid thing like that in the works,
that kind of thing would lead to everyone in the chain being accountable/prosecutable, from the poster him/herself, to the guy who stacks the servers in his warehouse to make a few quid hosting
Scary stuff
Moto
a c 125 U Graphics card
a c 100 K Overclocking
June 14, 2012 6:49:56 PM

Yeah, but they were shot down... though apparently getting tabled again. Stupid gov.
a b U Graphics card
a b K Overclocking
June 14, 2012 6:53:25 PM

wolfram23 said:
Yeah, but they were shot down... though apparently getting tabled again. Stupid gov.


Yeah, I agree. Hopefully companies such as Google continue the fight; granted if it passes they'll become liable for a lot of stuff that they don't want to be liable for. But still- hope that act gets shot down again.
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 15, 2012 8:43:31 AM

GArrigotti said:
I was going off what Ry said:

Quote:
First off anything you post here at THGF you are responsible for, after it is posted it is the property of THGF and Best of Media, where's the disclaimer other than for yourself?


If what he said is true, then it appears there is some liability for all parties.


I never said THGF or BOM would be liable for anything, the agreement every user agrees to to post at this website covers THGF and BOM.

Look to the left of the post Preview Submit button.

Quote:
By submitting your message, you agree to this website's Terms of Use and Rules Of Conduct.


The liability falls 100% to the person that wrote the information, THGF and BOM are covered by the Terms of Use which absolves them of misconduct by any user, however that's not going to keep the offender from getting permanently banned from this website.

Quote:
TERMS OF SERVICE

User acknowledges and agrees that use of the BOM Boards is a privilege, not a right, and that BOM has the right, at its sole discretion, to revoke this privilege at any time without notice or reason. User agrees that this Agreement in its entirety applies to both public and private messages.

The goal of the Forums is to foster communication and the interchange of ideas within the User community. User agrees and acknowledges that any posts, nicknames or other material deemed offensive, harassing, baiting or otherwise inappropriate may be removed at the sole discretion of BOM.

User authorizes BOM to make use of any original stories, concepts, ideas, drawings, photographs, opinions and other creative materials posted on the Forums without compensation or other recourse. User also agrees to indemnify and hold harmless BOM and our agents with respect to any claims based upon or arising from the transmission and/or content of your message(s).

BOM has the right but not the obligation to monitor and/or moderate the Forums, and offers no assurances in this regard.

BOM is not responsible for messages posted on the Forums or the content therein. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message. Each message expresses the views of its originating User, not necessarily those of BOM.
Unless expressly stated otherwise by a senior BOM representative such as the Editor in Chief, this includes messages posted by BOM personnel, agents, delegates, representatives et al.


This is a good opportunity for all concerned to review exactly what you're agreeing to to post at this website.

Rules of Conduct

The Terms of Use is actually the legal coverage of the website as a whole and the Rules of Conduct are aimed more at what is expected posting in the forums itself, but still under the Terms of Use.

If any of these lines are crossed Moderators can permanently ban and not even have to supply a reason for it, so it's in best interests to stay on the non offensive side of the line, there will be no liability concern or debating, they will just eliminate the offender and all of his or her offenses.


a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 15, 2012 8:56:55 AM

GArrigotti said:
I agree on the statement simply adverting liability from the user. However, the forum owner and site owner are still liable. That is why good information is so viable, so guides like the one Ry just shredded don't become widely adopted.

If a large user base controls a guide; not one. Then misinformation is likely to be detected, altered then fixed. Assuming the "I'm smarter then you" nerd complex doesn't come into play.

I'm sort of on the fence; I see the benefits of a guide- proper education. But the harm is also noted.


wolfram23 said:
I don't see how Tom's would be liable for anything a user did based on info posted on a public forum... Not that I'm informed on the matter, it just seems absurd. I could understand if it was an official Tom's Hardware Article.


Motopsychojdn said:
what was that act lately pipa or sopa? something about isp's and webmasters being accountable for content posted on their servers?
brain fried atm but i recall there being some stupid thing like that in the works,
that kind of thing would lead to everyone in the chain being accountable/prosecutable, from the poster him/herself, to the guy who stacks the servers in his warehouse to make a few quid hosting
Scary stuff
Moto


wolfram23 said:
Yeah, but they were shot down... though apparently getting tabled again. Stupid gov.


GArrigotti said:
Yeah, I agree. Hopefully companies such as Google continue the fight; granted if it passes they'll become liable for a lot of stuff that they don't want to be liable for. But still- hope that act gets shot down again.



I suggest reading the Terms of Use, it is the full coverage of liability for THGF and Best of Media, it is the guidline moderators use for action against a THGF user, and applying sanctions against the offender. It covers both THGF and BOM, because a user agrees to abide by the TOU and ROC to post here, that absolves THGF and BOM of all responsibility for the users actions.

I'm pretty sure I've thoroughly covered everything discussed in this and the above post.

a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 15, 2012 9:23:48 AM

Quote:
I agree 100% Ry.

I have actually changed certain things in that thread btw :) 


I suggest removing the link and the thread and fine tuning it outside the forum, then submit it in PM to an active moderator for approval to keep yourself out of trouble, I was not attempting to embarrass you Mike, I was attempting to keep you out of trouble.

It is very dangerous to post a guide in progress of being written or re-written, it needs to be 100% solid information.

How you proceed from this point is on you and I will not be able to help you against an active moderator, you are completely on your own. Ry
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 15, 2012 2:17:38 PM

This is a general statement not directed or aimed at anyone:

We live in a time of quick fixes, very few seem to have the thirst to learn all the aspects they can regarding overclocking, just give me the settings and I'll be on my way, until of course those settings fail to work because all hardware is different.

To truly have an overclock completely stable takes time to arrive at, through trial and error settings a step at a time until you discover the stable settings, this procedure is actually a learning process in itself for the person doing it, but quick fixes cheat you out of the learning process.

The luckily successful quick fix artist, thinks he or she knows something now, and decides to advise others in the forum when in truth they actually don't know squat, and become a danger to others, that trust the information they have self qualified themselves to share.

I see it happen here all the time and it's a clear case of the blind leading the blind!

Good guides take a lot of work to complete and to me it's all about supplying dependable information so no one destroys their hardware by following the guide.

Quick fixes on the other hand can and do destroy hardware, simply because the settings that works for one, may just be 2 notches further than you can go.

As the author of 2 CPU overclocking guides here at THGF, I have tested, and tested, and tested, making sure the guides are accurate, not because of fear of liability, but because of sharing solid dependable information and knowing I did the best for you guys here.

That's why to me, a guide for any overclocking is serious business not to be taken lightly. Ry

a b U Graphics card
a b K Overclocking
June 15, 2012 3:37:37 PM

4Ryan6 said:
I suggest reading the Terms of Use, it is the full coverage of liability for THGF and Best of Media, it is the guidline moderators use for action against a THGF user, and applying sanctions against the offender. It covers both THGF and BOM, because a user agrees to abide by the TOU and ROC to post here, that absolves THGF and BOM of all responsibility for the users actions.

I'm pretty sure I've thoroughly covered everything discussed in this and the above post.


I'll be honest, I haven't. I just presume be accurate. But I apologize for the misunderstanding.
a b U Graphics card
a b K Overclocking
June 15, 2012 6:43:24 PM

4Ryan6 said:
I never said THGF or BOM would be liable for anything, the agreement every user agrees to to post at this website covers THGF and BOM.

Look to the left of the post Preview Submit button.

Quote:
By submitting your message, you agree to this website's Terms of Use and Rules Of Conduct.


The liability falls 100% to the person that wrote the information, THGF and BOM are covered by the Terms of Use which absolves them of misconduct by any user, however that's not going to keep the offender from getting permanently banned from this website.

Quote:
TERMS OF SERVICE

User acknowledges and agrees that use of the BOM Boards is a privilege, not a right, and that BOM has the right, at its sole discretion, to revoke this privilege at any time without notice or reason. User agrees that this Agreement in its entirety applies to both public and private messages.

The goal of the Forums is to foster communication and the interchange of ideas within the User community. User agrees and acknowledges that any posts, nicknames or other material deemed offensive, harassing, baiting or otherwise inappropriate may be removed at the sole discretion of BOM.

User authorizes BOM to make use of any original stories, concepts, ideas, drawings, photographs, opinions and other creative materials posted on the Forums without compensation or other recourse. User also agrees to indemnify and hold harmless BOM and our agents with respect to any claims based upon or arising from the transmission and/or content of your message(s).

BOM has the right but not the obligation to monitor and/or moderate the Forums, and offers no assurances in this regard.

BOM is not responsible for messages posted on the Forums or the content therein. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message. Each message expresses the views of its originating User, not necessarily those of BOM.
Unless expressly stated otherwise by a senior BOM representative such as the Editor in Chief, this includes messages posted by BOM personnel, agents, delegates, representatives et al.


This is a good opportunity for all concerned to review exactly what you're agreeing to to post at this website.

Rules of Conduct

The Terms of Use is actually the legal coverage of the website as a whole and the Rules of Conduct are aimed more at what is expected posting in the forums itself, but still under the Terms of Use.

If any of these lines are crossed Moderators can permanently ban and not even have to supply a reason for it, so it's in best interests to stay on the non offensive side of the line, there will be no liability concern or debating, they will just eliminate the offender and all of his or her offenses.


While were on topic though; just throwing this out there. With the law widely changing especially with Cyber Crimes and Internet Acts specifically targeting any party with material that may break a patent, copyright, or liability concern. How would a disclaimer avoid scrutiny period?

Here in the United States sites like Craig's List are now able to wiggle out of most if not all civil disputes claimed; but criminal disputes the site is now liable for. They aren't able to escape those; they've modified "Terms Of Use" and "Disclaimer" but it doesn't matter.

Quote:
Online forums such as Craigslist continually escape legal liability as a result
of the protections provided by Section 230 of the CDA.22 Those opposed to
holding websites civilly or criminally liable for the criminal activities that result
from postings on their sites are well supported by case law and federal
legislation.23 However, changes in the courts’ holdings suggest that while judges
initially interpreted the act as granting total immunity to all such websites, they are
beginning to construe the Act’s text more narrowly.24 Recent case law shows that
courts increasingly find instances in which they will not apply Section 230
protections to websites that post user generated information.25
19


It's a hot topic at the moment. I agree with you on that portion Ry, we should be accountable for what we post. We shouldn't post inaccurate information and should focus on education rather then quick fixes. You can't attain the same or better results on a new card; if you don't fundamentally understand what allowed you to arrive at the conclusion.

I'm not trying to start trouble; I misunderstood your post. But I also remembered stuff I've seen on the news and different items of government being passed in my area.

As I stated above; I'd like accurate information and educational benefits especially if the community were to create a guide. So I fully agree on that front; but with the law adapting so much we and the site may become liable at some point. Just something to think about if we design a guide.
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 16, 2012 1:59:02 PM

^ Good Points, With all the legal mumbo jumbo none of us know what will happen tomorrow, best to be on the safe side of things. Ry
a c 109 U Graphics card
a c 150 K Overclocking
June 16, 2012 5:46:26 PM

So does that mean I need to add all of that into my thermal paste removal guide? :??: 
a b U Graphics card
a c 190 K Overclocking
June 16, 2012 6:00:27 PM

Its a good idea, save a future lawsuit because some Ralph Wiggum ate his thermal paste
:p 
Moto
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 16, 2012 6:10:05 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
Its a good idea, save a future lawsuit because some Ralph Wiggum ate his thermal paste
:p 
Moto


ROFLMAO :lol:  You Dawg! I almost spit my coffee on my monitor with that one! :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
a b K Overclocking
June 16, 2012 6:17:04 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
Its a good idea, save a future lawsuit because some Ralph Wiggum ate his thermal paste
:p 
Moto


Haha, that sir was the perfect time and perfect line for the thread.
a b U Graphics card
a c 228 K Overclocking
June 16, 2012 6:17:21 PM

amuffin said:
So does that mean I need to add all of that into my thermal paste removal guide? :??: 


Is there anything in it that if misconstrued could hurt others?

I don't think you would need a disclaimer in it, but you may ask the moderator that stickied it for you, since he or she is partially responsible for putting a stamp of approval on it.


!