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December 13, 2009 4:12:03 AM

I copied/pasted this tread from the CPU forum following the suggestion of another member, i hope that's alright.


Hi everyone,

First of all I would like to point out that I am a complete n00b when it gets to assembling and techno-savvy terms. i just bought most of the components for my first built.

I went for AMD for the obvious cost difference compare to the intel i7 (yes I know intel is better, faster .... i7 920 can be OCed to no end... yadda yadda ... :sarcastic:  ). I'd rather invest in some solid HDD (2 X velociraptors 300GB in raid0 and 1 X 2TB ???, don't know yet) and a kick-a$$ graphic card (HIS HD5970 :sol:  ) than spend 200euros more for a intel cpu and motherboard. But hey, that's just me so no flaming please.

So here is my dilemma, as I stated I am really new at this stuff. I already have the motherboard (ASUS Crosshair III, chosen after much reading all over the internet) and there appears to be some problems with the BIOS as the motherboard doesn't recognize the PII 965. I should find an older compatible CPU to flash the BIOS ... oy, N00b here lol Besides, I am an expat living in China ... how the heck am I going to find another CPU when I don't even speak Chinese (I should learn though ..)

So here is my question: there are many discussions about the PII965 and 955, some state that the 2 CPU are exactly the same except for the multipliers (whatever that is :??:  ) and others state that the 965 is better than the 955 ?? (if I understand them correctly of course ...). So what's the deal? are they the same or is there a difference that i should know about? If there is none, i would rather buy a PII 955 as this one is recognized by earlier version of the BIOS (no flashing stuff lol).

Thanks for reading and any help would be greatly appreciated. Oh, btw, I am talking about the PII 965 BE 125W (not the 140W.. not sure if it makes a difference)

Here is my future built (that's what it's called right ;) 
ASUS Crosshair III formula
AMD Phenom II X4 965/955 black edition
G-skill ripjaws serie 4 X 2GB DDR3 1600
HIS HD5970 Hemlock 2GB
2 X Velociraptor 300GB raid0 (well that's the plan if it works!! there seems to be problems with win7 64 and the raid drivers ... we'll see)
1 X seagate barracuda 2TB 7200rpm (not sure yet, but it will be a 2TB HDD 7200 RPM)
Thermaltake armor+ VH6000BWS (Huge!! And the sliding panel with the motherboard and everything on it is really cool for a n00B :)  )
PSU Kingwin mach 1 1220Watt (yeah, I know, over the top but I plan on buying a second video card in the near future so...)
Koolance liquid cooling PC4-1000 with a 3 fans radiator (CPU, GPU, NB, SB)

Alright, that's it. Tell me what you think. Your opinions are very welcome. I already have the case, motherboard, 2 HDD (the raptors), the graphic card, the liquid cooling kit and the PSU. Just the CPU, memories and the third HDD are missing. i plan on buying them together after i get some of your answers regarding the CPU (that is if I get some :??:  )

PS: i googled the question, ended up reading this thread http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] core-e8600 .... you guys crack me up lol what an argument :o 

Nick

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December 13, 2009 11:18:51 AM

-Yes, an AMD CPU is great for gaming, a solid choice. BTW, AMD's can be overclocked reasonably as well.
-That motherboard might be more than you need, but if you want an extra, do it. It's just not gonna improve performance whatsoever.
-STAY AWAY FROM THE VELOCIRAPTORS! THEY'LL EAT YOU! No seriously, these are no longer worth it. Modern 7200RPM drives like Samsungs Spinpoint F3 are very close to veloci's in speed. A true speed upgrade will be given by an SSD.
-Do not buy that PSU! A PSU is the single most important component in your pc, yet you are skimping on it. Get a big brand one, preferably corsair or Antec.
-You don't need 8GB or RAM, but go ahead if you can afford it.
-Thermaltake doesn't have a great reputation, but it will probably be good enough.
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December 13, 2009 11:29:27 AM

Silmarunya said:
-Yes, an AMD CPU is great for gaming, a solid choice. BTW, AMD's can be overclocked reasonably as well.
-That motherboard might be more than you need, but if you want an extra, do it. It's just not gonna improve performance whatsoever.
-STAY AWAY FROM THE VELOCIRAPTORS! THEY'LL EAT YOU! No seriously, these are no longer worth it. Modern 7200RPM drives like Samsungs Spinpoint F3 are very close to veloci's in speed. A true speed upgrade will be given by an SSD.
-Do not buy that PSU! A PSU is the single most important component in your pc, yet you are skimping on it. Get a big brand one, preferably corsair or Antec.
-You don't need 8GB or RAM, but go ahead if you can afford it.
-Thermaltake doesn't have a great reputation, but it will probably be good enough.

Thanks for the answer. I already have the raptors ... darn. I followed others suggestion, should have asked here first. I wanted to buy two intel X25-M for RAID0 mode but the price per GB freaked me out. I might buy 2 SSDs down the line but i am waiting for the price to drop a little.
You are the sixth person that tells me not to buy that PSU .... Ok then, ANTEC it is.
I went for the Thermaltake because the case is HUGE and I just love that window and the blue led lol But mainly because of the two fans at the bottom of the case, just enough place to set my two fans koolance radiator. I can keep everything inside the case :bounce: 
On a different subject, i just posted a question in the motherboard section, I just finished going over the motherboard manual, it says that ''Due to chipset limitation, when set any of SATA ports to RAID mode, all SATA ports run at RAID mode together'. Does that mean that i won't be able to run my 2 VRs in RAID0 and my third one as data disc?

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December 13, 2009 4:10:45 PM

-Don't worry, raptors aren't that bad. They're not worth it anymore, but they'll be fine.
-Good choice. Check out both Antec and Corsair and pick whichever is cheapest in the wattage you seek (as they're the two best brands).
-Go with that case if you want, it's good. Thermaltake is a decent brand, but it's just not as reliable as Antec or Cooler Master. Still, if you like it, go for it!
-I'm not an expert on raid configuration, but I believe that indeed means you can't run one of your disks outside of raid mode. Perhaps buying a separate raid controller can help? Don't take my advice though, wait till someone appears who knows more, or post this question in the forum board about RAID.
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