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December 15, 2009 12:55:29 AM

Okay so I'm building a new computer, and I'm trying to make it as cheap as possible..

Only problem is that it has to be state of the art. I have a list of parts, but I've googled my ass off , and I can't find anything cheaper. I figured you guys would have some insite on cheaper purchasing.

Parts are all from tigerdirect and computercanada

Any help is appreciated

list:

PowerUp ATX Black Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB and Audio Ports and 450-Watt Power Supply
Price: 49.97
Samsung SH-S223C_BE DVDRW Drive - 22X DVD+/-R, 12X DVD-RAM, 16X DVD+R DL, 12X DVD-R DL, 8X DVD+RW, 6X DVD-RW, 48X CD-R, 32X CDRW, SATA
Price: 36.00
ULTRA PERFORMANCE VGA COOLER
Price: 32.97
Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 Processor BX80571E7500 - 2.93GHz, 3MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB, Wolfdale-3M, Dual-Core, Retail, Socket 775
Price: 119.99
Seagate ST31000528AS Barracuda 7200.12 Hard Drive - 1TB, 7200 rpm, 32MB, SATA-3G
Price: 99.97
Patriot 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Desktop Memory Upgrade - RAM
Price: 84.97
MSI X48C Platinum Motherboard - Intel X48, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, Firewire, USB 2.0, eSATA, RAID
Price: 129.97
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy SE
Price: 39.99
EVGA GeForce 9500 GT Video Card - 1GB DDR2, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Support, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, VGA Support
Price: 69.97

Total: $ 673.78

Ideal budget: $ 400

Really Nice Budget $ 200 - 300 CAD or USD

- Thanks

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December 15, 2009 1:59:29 AM

If you want all these parts, you'll have to wait until prices drop within your budget.
December 15, 2009 3:06:08 AM

A few things you can drop, the VGA cooler isnt needed, nor is the Sound Blaster Audigy SE, it does not provide a difference in sound quality over a board with a good onboard sound card. You should also go for a p45 chipset rather than an x48 if you are going to go LGA 775, but your best option is probably an AMD chip and a 785G chipset.

What are you planning to use this rig for? Looking at the parts list i cant tell, because it has a board thats good for crossfiring 2 high end cards, but you are getting a single low end card, with a fast processor. The build just doesnt seem logical do me so if we know your intended usage it can definitely be improved.
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December 15, 2009 3:50:16 AM

Kay mate i hav a build for ya!

Im a first time builder, havent built my own pc but lookin into it, saw your thread n thought i could help so here goes~

Mah Build:

9500Gt $73.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Ram~4gb $84.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

M~board + CPU $229.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

LiteOn $29.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Case~$39.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

HDD~$89.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...



Hope u like it

$548.94 is the total
December 15, 2009 9:39:04 AM

Well the computer is for gaming, and web design so, flash, and other adobe products.

But so far I love all the suggestions, but i thought that intel was better than AMD?
December 15, 2009 11:26:12 AM

Intel is faster but more expensive. For a good performing machine on a tight budget, go with AMD.
December 15, 2009 3:16:59 PM

would an intel with 2.9 ghz quad be faster than an amd 3 ghz quad?
December 15, 2009 9:08:51 PM

Can you provide the specific CPU models that you'd like to compare?
December 15, 2009 9:32:35 PM
December 15, 2009 9:54:01 PM

Hunter's build is good. I posted a similar build in another thread looking for a cheap system, so I won't bother to repeat it. Mine comes in $10 less, but his has a much better CPU. There are two possible problems with both builds though. For one, they list Newegg USA prices, and you mentioned a Canadian supplier. Problem #2 is, neither build includes a video card. The AMD HD4200 IGP is actually capable of some gaming, although it is much weaker than even the 9500GT. If you can swing another $65 (US though), you can pick up a HD4670; a little more will get a HD4770.
Do not go for a cheap PSU in a case. They're the ones that go "BOOM!" at unexpected moments, taking other parts with them into the fiery abyss.
December 15, 2009 10:52:04 PM

man $74 and he can get the 9500gt he wanted so ye, just save up, itsbetter to get a pricer build with better components than a cheap build thats minimum req's for games!
December 16, 2009 1:31:32 AM

Do you think you can squeeze in a really nice video card? like 1GB GE-Force? Does the mobo already come with like a sound card and etc.?

You guys have helped alot so far:

as far as everything goes as long as it has a:

High Quality Video Card

AMD Quad 3.0 GHZ

CD/DVD rewritable/reader

4 GB of Ram

1 TB of Harddrive space

Buy as far as the fan, casing, and power supply go i could care less as long as its safe, for the most part this computer is for gaming and designing. Optimized for speed.

- I heard AMD's crash alot is that true?
December 16, 2009 1:44:30 AM

Quote:
I heard AMD's crash alot is that true?
AMD based systems are not more prone to crashes than Intel based systems. Instability often is caused by poor quality/mismatched components or too much overclocking. You don't care about the PSU, but it's one of the most important component for system stability.
December 16, 2009 2:19:29 AM

well, it's kinda impossible to get a phenom 945 or 940 with a decent videocard with 4gigs of ram and a 1TB HD at your price point, yes, the mobo comes with a sound card, network card and even a video card and ect. the boxed CPU comes with a cooling fan with thermal compound, and you din't need to worry about cables, they all comes with things you buy. everything onboard is enough for us usual people except for onboard video if u do gaming. PSU is important just as what upstairs said and thats what can cause your pc to crash. about AMD and intel, there are more people likes AMD than intel. so do i. AMD always give better performance at the same price point. and there's no different of QUALITY between the manufactures, AMD's products processing are even a little bit more secure than intel, the actual difference is just the brand.
December 16, 2009 9:19:23 AM

What do you consider a "really nice video card?" Some would say that's a HD5850, for about $309 (if you can find one). Someone more moderate might suggest a HD5770, which is "only" $174. I doubt anyone would put a sub-$100 card in that category, although I suppose someone used to an Intel IGP might be knocked over by a $55 HD4650.
December 16, 2009 7:20:08 PM

Okay, honestly im a noob at this, i know the basics though.

What are your thoughts on this Mobo? + CPU + On board fan

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

?

Because I Think Im gonna use it.

And So need

A Compatible Fan

A compatible 1TB HDD

Compatible 4GB Ram

A Compatible Power Supply ( Needs to be high Quality from what I read )

And A Reliable Casing :) 

And Is The GE Force 1GB Video Card Compatible with this? Unless some of you think this video card is great for gaming already.

Forget about my budget limit because it's just what I'd Perfer to spend. But what i put it there for was so that I wasnt getting like 1500 $ computers. Just Keep it realistic Perferably Under $500.

But really you guys have helped alot.

And Since Im Creating A Server ( Im throwing in 3 hard EXTRA hard drives possibly as slaves for the server)
December 16, 2009 9:10:13 PM

The TigerDirect deal is older tech; an AM2+ mobo and an AM2+ CPU. You want AM3 for both, to be current and have potential for future upgrades.
December 16, 2009 11:45:44 PM

Alright this the last things I need:

Someone to Check the Compatibility

Someone to Help me get a quality yet cheap casing w/ power supply - Must be reliable

Someone To Give Me Their Personal Thoughts on it

And Lastly Someone To help me find these parts the cheapest the can be, unless they already are.

Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Price: 79.99CAD

CPU/Processor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Price: 99.99CAD

RAM

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Price: 84.97CAD

9500 GT Video Card

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Price: 67.97 CAD

DVD DRIVE

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
Price: 32.97 CAD

HARD DRIVE

http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd...

Price: 79.97CAD

CASE FAN

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Price: 14.97CAD

CPU FAN

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Price: 12.97CAD


Btw Is it recommended that I have a Cpu fan and case fan?

or am i okay without them?/it

Thanks

-Satcheledde


December 17, 2009 8:53:36 AM

Once again, that motherboard is AM2+. Your first post says you want state of the art; that means socket AM3 with DDR3 RAM.
Good CPU choice.
9500GT is weak for [current] games, unless you will only play Flash games. For Flash games, the HD3300 on a 790GX board or the HD4200 on a785G board will be enough.
Even the cheapest Rosewill case will include a rear 120mm fan, so you can omit that. Also, unless and until you want to significantly overclock your CPU, the stock cooler will be sufficient.
Unless it is an Antec Earthwatts, sometimes found with their cases, any PSU bought with a cheap case will be utter garbage.
The simple fact may be that you simply don't have the budget to build a reasonable PC at this time. You may wish to consider investigating the used market, like eBay or Craigslist. Anticipate that you will still need a video card upgrade, and that even there unless you also replace the PSU (which will be the smallest size needed for the stock configuration), you will be limited to a HD4670 at best, and more likely a HD4650 or 9500GT. None of those require much power at all.
December 17, 2009 10:27:18 AM

Alright, since you guys said the processor was okay I left it out of here. The Hard drive was fine and the DVD drive was okay I left them out.

Video Card: ( is this okay? Since i'm having problems with finding one maybe someone can find on for me) Im playing COD6 And COD4 And GTA 4 later games.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Mobo:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... ( need some advice to pick)
or

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... (DDR3 So it should be okay)

CASE: ( with fan)

Yet to find

PSU :

Yet to find


- Can I use DDR2 Video Cards or RAM on a DDR3 Board?

- Thanks :) 
December 17, 2009 6:45:35 PM

So What would you sugges for the Video card thats budgetable
December 17, 2009 6:59:14 PM

Quote:
It depends what your budget for the video card is, if you can not afford the ATI 5770/5750 I'd recommend the Nvidia GTS 250.

Galaxy GeForce GTS 250 $109.99
Palit GeForce GTS 250 $118.99



http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Galaxy/GeForce_GTS_250_1_GB/images/perfrel_1920.gif



I like the Galaxy, but is that okay for like COD6 and Gta Series? Like is it a nice video card?

And is it compatible with my motherboard ( look at the one you quoted because i prieviously edited in two mobos and im looking for some insight on which one to purchase, so give me your opinion which motherboard you think I should get, then make sure the galaxy is compatible, if you want to lmao.

Once I find out this and a case/psu Im dont Finally, then i gotta go bargin hunting. Then I gotta buy it and assemble.

Also remember im in canada so, tigerdirect.ca instead and newegg.ca
cause the galaxy is like 160 here
December 17, 2009 7:41:54 PM

Quote:
Both motherboards use the 785G chipset so they should be almost identical. I would get the cheapest of the two, which is the "BIOSTAR TA785G3", but unfortunately it only has 2 memory slots so you have to take into consideration that if you want to add an additional 2x2GB sticks in the future to make 8 GB total it can not happen, you'd need 2X4GB. If having lots of memory slots is important to you, then get the Asrock.

The memory looks good, really good, but remember that the motherboard only supports DDR3 with a bus of 1333MHz, you'd have to manually oveclock the memory to 1600MHz to get the performance benefit of the CORSAIR XMS3. But for the price its still a good deal.



What does manually overclock mean and how would I do it?

The Asrock Says this:

DDR3 1600(OC) / 1333 / 1066 / 800

so Why won't it work properly?
December 17, 2009 8:40:36 PM

So Now I have the whole computer except the case and psu.

Could you help me find that last thing?

Oh And Now I know how to overclock, the bios ***
December 17, 2009 9:10:08 PM

I've had good results with ASRock mobos, less so with Biostar, although the latter were older Intel boards so new [AMD] ones are probably fine.
That benchmark chart pretty much tells the tale of how miserable a 9500GT would be, and it shows the relative position of a lot of different cards. That $109 GTS 250 looks like an excellent bang/buck choice if you can afford it.
I stand by everyone's remarks about cheap PSUs. Buying one that is cheap but "oversized," e.g. 680W, thinking that it will reliably provide 400W, does not account for poor rail stability, high ripple, turn-on spikes, or even that it will fail violently simply because you used your PC on a date with a "2" in it (i.e. randomly).
Find one that has full range active PFC (no little voltage switch), that is 80+ certified. Antec, Corsair, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, and Enermax are among the better brands.

Edit: That Thermaltake is overrated poop. The 650W Antec is excellent, but overkill. The 500W Earthwatts would be sufficient.
December 17, 2009 9:50:10 PM

That is a new model, and I haven't seen it reviewed anywhere yet. In the distant past, Rosewill developed a terrible reputation for PSU quality, and you'll probably get a lot of knee-jerk reactions based on that. Still, there were a couple of their last generation products that actually performed tolerably in reviews. I'd say this one is entirely unknown until somebody publishes a competent technical review of it. Being 80+, you can be reasonably confident that it is not overrated, but that says nothing about its waveform quality. I doubt it is crappy, but then I KNOW that Antec or Corsair are really good.

Edit: On cases, if it has or takes front and rear 120mm fans, and is big enough for what you want to put in it, it is probably at least tolerable. Don't buy a Raidmax PSU. If a PSU has "max" in its name and is not Enermax, "max" may be taken as either the size of the pyrotechnic display when it croaks, or the number of components it will take with it when it dies.
December 17, 2009 10:12:48 PM

Okay thanks :) 

Edit:

Alright Whaddabout this case:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Great Reviews, looks nice, cooling master.

Only 44.

if this ends up being my case, I will have finished all the parts and will need to find these the cheapest possible. Unless they already are in which case I'll purchase them as is.
December 17, 2009 11:53:10 PM

Both of those PSUs have little red voltage switches. At best, they are older, inefficient designs. At worst, they are outright crappy. Considering the brands and the model age, I wouldn't buy either one.
December 18, 2009 12:24:47 AM

Now I need these the cheapest possible.

I'd love to thank everybody for helping me find my ideal computer.

If You guys can't find them any cheaper It's okay.


Computer Specs

Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Price: $ 120.99 CAD

Hard Drive

http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd...
Price: $ 79.99 CAD

DVD/CD DRIVE INTERNAL SATA

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
Price: $ 32.97 CAD

CPU / Processor

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Price : $ 109.99

Mother Board
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Price: $ 89.99 CAD

Memory / RAM

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Price: $ 99.99 CAD

Extra Case Fan

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Price:$ 7.99 CAD
PSU / Power Supply

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Price: 89.99 CAD

Case

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Price:$ 44.99

Total:$ 665.89 CAD
December 18, 2009 12:56:24 AM

Should be very nice. A Seagate 7200.12, Western Digital Black, or Samsung Spinpoint F3 will perform better than the HDD you selected, but it isn't a big deal.
Before trying to mount the mobo in that case, you will probably need to tap most of the standoff screw holes. Just screw a case-screw into each one and remove it to take care of that; they have the same thread as the standoffs. If you're going to ship this PC, or move it around a lot, use screws rather than the tool-free mounts for the drives, as the ones they provide can easily loosen.
This is a good build though, and now I'm in the mood to contemplate upgrades...
December 18, 2009 1:06:55 AM

Thanks, alot really you pretty much made the most of my computer.

Would you recommend me purchasing the parts from a store or a site?
December 18, 2009 1:32:10 AM

Your video card costs $159.97, not $109.99. That changes the total system cost to over $700 CAD.
December 18, 2009 1:56:56 AM

It looks like you want to order from Newegg.ca, but if your budget is tight, you should also look at DirectCanada.com, particularly if you're willing to substitute a few parts. You won't pay shipping charges on orders over $300 and no PST if you don't live in B.C. The total cost delivered to your door is what counts, not the cost before taxes and handling fees.
December 18, 2009 2:17:40 AM

Cpu/MB : $180
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

Memory: $92, $72 after MIR
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

500gb hd... (500gb is plenty for most ppl) $55
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Antec 430w $45: 430w is plenty for that system.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3523&p=1

That is about a $120 saving on your current build and brings the total down to $546.
December 18, 2009 7:44:44 AM

WOOO 295 FTW!!!!!
December 18, 2009 7:45:05 AM

NVIDIA ALL THE WAY!!!!!
December 18, 2009 9:02:29 AM

When I went to the link, I always saw $109 for the GPU, not $159.
While the 500E Basiq got a [surprisingly] good review at HardwareSecrets, a review I read somewhere else of the 430W Basiq was not so stellar. It isn't poopy, but I wouldn't buy one.
If the budget allows the system that was spec'ed last night, I think the time for second-guessing is done. Niggling can go on for weeks.
December 18, 2009 10:08:59 AM

cory1234 said:
Cpu/MB : $180
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

Memory: $92, $72 after MIR
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

500gb hd... (500gb is plenty for most ppl) $55
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Antec 430w $45: 430w is plenty for that system.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3523&p=1

That is about a $120 saving on your current build and brings the total down to $546.


Thanks, but i still need to get the case and video card from this one.

also fro an extra 20 dollars I get another 500 Gb which is just amazing.

The Motherboard has to be the one i've already selected, the AM3 one
December 18, 2009 11:00:27 AM

Onus said:
When I went to the link, I always saw $109 for the GPU, not $159.
While the 500E Basiq got a [surprisingly] good review at HardwareSecrets, a review I read somewhere else of the 430W Basiq was not so stellar. It isn't poopy, but I wouldn't buy one.
If the budget allows the system that was spec'ed last night, I think the time for second-guessing is done. Niggling can go on for weeks.


Last Nights system is just below, 700 its like 670


EDIT: No intention on double posting, my bad.
December 18, 2009 3:09:23 PM

LStaunton said:
NVIDIA ALL THE WAY!!!!!


Too bad those charts are old and don't include the new Ati cards...fanboy much?

OP, just saying... I've had a 500gb hd for 2 years and I still have 300gb left of free space..and thats including 35gb of music.

To realistically fit your budget your going to have to make sacrifices.
December 18, 2009 6:44:37 PM

but I dont mind going a little over my budget its roughly 500 or over, Im looking for stores in toronto that have it for cheap.
December 18, 2009 7:14:16 PM

If you're looking for stores in Toronto, Infonec.com (in Markham) is not a bad place, but in the end it will cost you a bit more buying from a local store. On the other hand, if you run into problems, you can simply go back to the store.
December 18, 2009 10:31:00 PM

Yeah, but im looking for cheaper places..

Because the cheaper I find parts, the easier to make the system better.
December 18, 2009 10:54:29 PM

Satcheledde said:
Yeah, but im looking for cheaper places..

Because the cheaper I find parts, the easier to make the system better.


In all likelihood, you are not going to find parts in a physical store cheaper than on the internet.

It's sometimes possible, but it's just not going to happen the majority of the time, having a physical store, having more employees, etc. drives up the prices required to make a profit.
December 19, 2009 12:15:10 AM

Satcheledde said:
Yeah, but im looking for cheaper places..

Because the cheaper I find parts, the easier to make the system better.

For the reasons that coldsleep provided, you'll pay more at a store than online. I often order online from DirectCanada.com and BestDirect.ca because of no shipping costs on large orders and no PST. I also order from Newegg.ca when they have a good deal and no shipping costs on an item. Price your components (or suitable replacements) at a few online stores and then order from the cheapest. Saving a few dollars on an item often isn't worth it if you end up paying shipping and other costs. Do you have a final list of components?
December 19, 2009 2:25:04 AM

Yup right here:

Computer Specs

Video Card
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
Price: $ 109.99 CAD

Hard Drive

http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd...
Price: $ 79.99 CAD

DVD/CD DRIVE INTERNAL SATA

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
Price: $ 32.97 CAD

CPU / Processor

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
Price : $ 109.99

Mother Board
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Price: $ 89.99 CAD

Memory / RAM

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Price: $ 99.99 CAD

Extra Case Fan

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Price:$ 7.99 CAD

Total:$ 665.89 CAD
December 19, 2009 6:13:28 AM

cory1234 said:
Too bad those charts are old and don't include the new Ati cards...fanboy much?

OP, just saying... I've had a 500gb hd for 2 years and I still have 300gb left of free space..and thats including 35gb of music.

To realistically fit your budget your going to have to make sacrifices.



lols man dw bout me im entitled to my own opinion, and on the nvidia was doing qutie well so hey nvidia all the way. I dont follow ati cards as much, so im not sure of there latest cards but ive heard and beleive they are into direct x 11 atm so yes they are ahed of the nvidia.
December 19, 2009 6:18:02 AM

Yup right here:

Computer Specs

Video Card
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=3670
Price: $ 109.99 CAD

Hard Drive

http://canadacomputers.com/index.p [...] DD.443.877
Price: $ 79.99 CAD

DVD/CD DRIVE INTERNAL SATA

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] =M452-5008
Price: $ 32.97 CAD

CPU / Processor

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] -_-Product
Price : $ 109.99

Mother Board

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6813157168

Price: $ 89.99 CAD

Memory / RAM

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6820145260
Price: $ 99.99 CAD

Extra Case Fan

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6811998101

Price:$ 7.99 CAD

Total:$ 665.89 CAD


so far so good man. Do you like these parts??? because this is 1 major factor, if you dont and you get them in a months time or somethingu might buy a whole new set of aprts just because you didnt like them. So you happy with these??
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