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5770, 4890, 260?

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December 15, 2009 12:43:01 AM

Alright, I know this question has been asked before, but I have a couple of other little "gotchas":

1. I've built an Small Form Factor gaming rig around the Thermaltake Lanbox, an i5-750 and a Gigabyte P55M-UD4 (that supports SLI/Xfire).
2. With the small case, temps are a concern
3. I plan to add a 2nd matching card in the next 3 months to SLI or Xfire.

I recently sold my 8800GT and purchased a larger monitor (1920x1200), so I have to decide SOON on my next upgrade while I browse the internet with my spare 9600GT.

At first, I was thinking of picking up the Sapphire 4890 Vapor-X, as it had a nice combination of speed and a customized cooler.

But then I got to reading about the new chips on the 5000 series and have researched the 5770 seriously (as the 5850 is simply out of price range to Xfire).

Taking into account my desire to SLI in an SFF case, what are your recommendations?

4890 for raw power right now or 5770 for easier scalibility with a Xfire config?

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a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2009 1:01:51 AM

The HD 5770. The lower cost, reduced power requirements, reduced heat, reduced size...all better aspects for a small form factor PC. And you get DX11.
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a c 1410 U Graphics card
December 15, 2009 1:03:58 AM

The only reasons I see for taking 5770 over 4890 is DX11 and power efficiency. It has less performance and about as expensive.
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a c 365 U Graphics card
December 15, 2009 1:06:44 AM

What's more important?

Price
Performance
DX11
Power Consumption

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a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2009 1:09:48 AM

To me, it would seem anyone building a small form factor PC takes more consideration for efficiency, size, price and heat reduction than performance. Otherwise they'd just start with a mid tower and go from there.
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December 15, 2009 2:51:29 AM

It's true...building a SFF (my first one) is VERY different than building a mid/full tower where room, power and heat issues are easier to control.

As for Jaguarkx question (a good one), I'd have to rate my priorities as:
- Performance
- Price
- Power Consumption

DX11 isn't even on my radar...it's just the new chip on the 5xxx series runs so cool and low-power!
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a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2009 3:01:12 AM

4870 - cheapest of the three
5770 - uses the least energy, supports dx11
4890 - strongest performance of the three
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December 15, 2009 7:24:43 AM

Thanks everyone.
@ OvrClkr...that's where my confusion lies...benchmarks like the ones from guru3d make the 5770 sound like a fantastic combination of power/performance and price, while Tom's original review of the 5770 made it sound rather wimpy.

I suppose we can expect greater performance as the chip/drivers mature...
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a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2009 1:27:34 PM

Yea, well it all depends on the hardware you are using, not all tests are done using the same exact components. And yes in the furture you can expect a bump in performance with more mature drivers.

I built a P55 rig using dual 5770's and we tested first with a single GPU and later on with both. We came to the conclusion that with a single GPU it matches the performance of a GTX 260 (216) and in some cases it even surpassed the 260 once we started to overclock. With dual 5770's we saw that the peformance was similar to a GTX 285/GTX 295/5850 and in high res situations with xAA enabled we saw that it can hang with the 5870 in games like L4D and Batman AA... So in all the GPU can hold it's own, specially in CF....
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December 15, 2009 4:05:46 PM

@ OverClkr: That's what I've beginning to read...and there's a great write up here:
]http://techgage.com/article/ati_radeon_hd_5770_crossfirex_performance/]


Based on the above numbers, it does look like the 5770 in CF can stand toe-to-toe with a 5850. The only problem I see is that potential temperature issues with the video cards side by side. On the techgage report above, the 5770s in CF were hitting 97C in torture tests and that's probably in an open case environment. I can only imagine that a SFF case's airflow issues would bring those temps over 100C!!

As it stands, I may not have done ALL of my research before taking the plunge into this machine. Running two dual-slot PCI-E cards looks to present a pretty big temperature issue now. :( 

Also, at the cost of 2x 5770s, I'm looking at the MORE than a single 5850 which looks to be a pretty substantial card from a performance/power standpoint. Of course, then my whole goal to CF/SLI goes out the window. :fou: 
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a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2009 4:15:22 PM

TheViper said:
The HD 5770. The lower cost, reduced power requirements, reduced heat, reduced size...all better aspects for a small form factor PC. And you get DX11.


^^ This. Plus 4890s wont be around that much longer if you decide to crossfire. The 5770 will.
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a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2009 5:12:09 PM

tazdirector said:
@ OverClkr: That's what I've beginning to read...and there's a great write up here:
]http://techgage.com/article/ati_radeon_hd_5770_crossfirex_performance/]


Based on the above numbers, it does look like the 5770 in CF can stand toe-to-toe with a 5850. The only problem I see is that potential temperature issues with the video cards side by side. On the techgage report above, the 5770s in CF were hitting 97C in torture tests and that's probably in an open case environment. I can only imagine that a SFF case's airflow issues would bring those temps over 100C!!

As it stands, I may not have done ALL of my research before taking the plunge into this machine. Running two dual-slot PCI-E cards looks to present a pretty big temperature issue now. :( 

Also, at the cost of 2x 5770s, I'm looking at the MORE than a single 5850 which looks to be a pretty substantial card from a performance/power standpoint. Of course, then my whole goal to CF/SLI goes out the window. :fou: 


Pardon my language but those GPU temps are BS.... We tested the 5770's and this is what we came up with as far as heat goes...

Antec 902/P55/4Gb DDR3/Dual 640's in Raid0/TP 850w/Win 7 Ultimate

In single card config :

Ambient @ 25c / Idle temps @ 35c / Load temps at 55c (fan on AUTO)

In CF config :

Ambient at 25c / Idle temps @ 39c / Load temps at 61c (fan on Auto)

Tests were done using 3dmark06 at default settings (all tests).
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December 15, 2009 5:43:53 PM

LOL...good to know...although I'm assuming the worst inside my tiny SFF case...the Thermaltake's are built for good airflow, but you never know.

Still, based on EVERYTHING I've read...there's really no other card at the moment that can SLI/CF as cool as these 5xxx models simply due to the small chipset.

Again, if I were in a mid/full-tower case with space to spare, this really wouldn't be an issue...I'd go for raw power...but if I'm HONEST with myself in balancing the performance vs power vs heat AND Price, the 5770s seem like the clear favorite and this thread seems to support that.

Thanks all for your help!
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a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2009 5:50:00 PM

The 5770's run cold, more or less the same as a GTS 250. Not sure where they got those temps from...

Anyways there you have it, let us know once you have the GPU so we can see some numbers =)
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