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December 15, 2009 8:18:46 PM

I am hoping to take advantage of Newegg's deals by building a new rig.

I do MOD games & use Unreal Development Kit, so I am using a 1440x900 DVI (main) + 1366x728 HDMI (TV). I also edit videos with Sony Vegas, model with Blender, & Game (see gfx card).

My budget is $1000, which includes Windows 7 & Monitor.

Here are some things I know I will want.
Good Graphics Card, along the lines of at least a 4870 or 5770. (Crysis (WARS/WARHEAD), C&C3, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Far Cry 2)


GPU Decision

I'm trying to decide the following:
ATI 4890 or 5770:
4890: $169.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5770: $162 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (CHEAP)
$164 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 4890 seems to have about an overall advantage of 10 FPS (IMO) right now. I'm trying to decide if Eyefinity, DX11, & better drivers in the future are going to compensate for 10 FPS NOW.
If I choose the 4890 it will be a clear choice, a 1GB XFX card for only $169, for the 5770 I have 2 choices, I prefer Sapphire but only at the same price, the cooler between the HIS ($162) & the Sap ($164) seems to be different, to me a better cooler + overclocking can make up $2 of differences.
Of course, that's not all. There's a combo deal.
Zalman 660W PSU + the XFX 4890, the combo discount is $45, quite a lump
Combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...



CPU Decision

I'm deciding on either a i5 750 (with aftermarket cooler + OCing), or a Phenom II 9X5 (965 or 955)
The i5 720 is $199

The Combo Deals really add a lot of confusion & decision making. There's so many paths.


RAM (updated)
Min is DDR3 - 1333, DDR3 - 1600 if it fits within cost. Looking for 6 GB if possible (Sandbox 2 & UDK can gobble 3+ GBs of RAM when building maps), 4GB is the absolute min. I would rather have slower 6 GB than faster 4 GB if it comes to that.



Case
http://www.newegg.com/special/shellshocker.aspx?nm_mc=E...
Shellshocker

Windows
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
23 in, 1920 x 1080

I long for a 16:10 monitor (1440x900, 1920x1200, etc) but I am not picky, I chose that monitor because it is on the XMAS deal
http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Dec-0-2009/Holiday...

I hope for a lot of suggestions & comments, I VERY open to all suggestions.
My limit is $1000, but cost is very important, I hope to drive the price down to about $900.

Thanks! I'll update with more info!

Update: I am intending to OC on air (no H2O, etc), I'm looking for a moderate OC (about .4-.6 GHz for AMD, .6-1.4 GHz for i5 750.\

Update 2: I might drop in another card for crossfire in a year or 2, since PCI-e 2.0 X8 equals PCI-e 1.1 X16 I don't need a full 32 lanes for CF.

More about : 1000 rig

December 15, 2009 9:03:37 PM

This is a rig that works:

Build 2 (Phenom II 955, Sap 5770)

Monitor 23in 16:9 1920 x 1080: $169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Phenom II 955 BE, Mobo, RAM Combo: $338.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HDD 640GB Blue WD: $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sap 5770: $164.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: $21.99
http://www.newegg.com/special/shellshocker.aspx?nm_mc=E...

PSU 750W Sunbeam: $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows: $104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Drive: $27.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Total: $968.91


Leaves me $30 for cooler, trying more combo's, hoping to find everything for $950.



PS: The 640GB Black is Out-Of-Stock, anyone have a guess on when's it's back?
December 15, 2009 9:54:49 PM

I strongly urge you to NOT get any rosewill power supply. Even their high end PSUs seem to have problems.

Forget the 640 black and get a 500GB or 1TB Samsung F3 or Seagate 7200.12. They have 500GB platters and are faster than the WD 320GB platter drives. You definitely dont want a Caviar Blue unless its just a storage drive.
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December 15, 2009 10:48:41 PM

OK, thx for the input.
So which PSU's are high quality?
What about the Zalman one?

Also, at the 7200.12's beginning there were alot of people saying it crashes constantly, as a result most 7200.12 Drives on Newegg had a 2 Egg rating. Is the firmware problem fixed now?
December 15, 2009 11:19:44 PM

sabot00 said:
OK, thx for the input.
So which PSU's are high quality?
What about the Zalman one?

Also, at the 7200.12's beginning there were alot of people saying it crashes constantly, as a result most 7200.12 Drives on Newegg had a 2 Egg rating. Is the firmware problem fixed now?


Quality psu companies: Antec, Cosair, OCZ.

For a good aftermarket heatsink:
Hyper 212+, it performs as good as $70 heatsinks for $30.

Switch your hard drive to a Samsung F3 500gb drive. It is new and only uses one platter making it faster.
December 15, 2009 11:44:35 PM

Seagate had lots of firmware problems with their 7200.11 drives, but I am not aware of a major issue with 7200.12s. Most of the 1 egg reviews at newegg do not have the "bought this at newegg" tag, which means they are likely mis-posting their problems on the wrong HDD model. Also there are a bunch of them with "this is junk, buy WD" that didnt buy that drive. Newegg lets any nitwit post a review so you have to read thoroughly and in between the lines sometimes to figure out whats real, whats fanboi-ism and whats self inflicted.

Right now there are two people with threads here having bios not recognizing Caviar Black 640 HDDs. Not sure if its an installer problem or WD having a problem.

Samsung F3 is definitely the better choice. You can get them on amazon same price and free super saver shipping if they are out of stock at newegg.
December 15, 2009 11:55:06 PM

Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

Arctic Silver MTX-2.5G Matrix Thixotropic Premium Thermal Compound
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100016

ASUS SABERTOOTH 55i LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec 900-2 case
December 15, 2009 11:56:55 PM

dndhatcher said:

Samsung F3 is definitely the better choice. You can get them on amazon same price and free super saver shipping if they are out of stock at newegg.



Would a Samsung F3 be superior to a WD black with 32 [twice] cache?


SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

vs.

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
December 16, 2009 3:09:37 PM

Eng1neering said:
Would a Samsung F3 be superior to a WD black with 32 [twice] cache?


SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

vs.

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Yes, the Caviar Black 1TB has three ~333GB platters. More platter density means it reads more data in the same amount of time. The new WD 2TB on the other hand has four 500GB platters and is very fast.

The Caviar 1Tb and Samsung F3 are both on this chart:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2tb-hdd-7200,2430-7...
December 16, 2009 7:43:53 PM

@dndhatcher, thanks for the HDD suggestions, I thought it was 7200.11 too (thanks for the clear-up), I'm checking Antec & Corsair PSU's right now.

@eng1eering, the i7 860 & 750W PSU are out of my budget, to fit I would need to sacrifice a 5770/4890 for a 4650. I'll keep the cooler in mind tho

@cory, Thanks for the HS/F suggestion.



Could someone suggest a Phenom II cooler?

Update: From the HDD review/comparison the WD 2TB Black is VERY fast, however, at $300 it's more expensive than any Phenom II or i5.
December 16, 2009 8:11:02 PM

Antec: $74.99 | 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Corsair: Their PSU's are great, but expensive. If it was in my budget I'd get it, some exceptional PSU's.


OCZ:
$69.99 | 550W ($25 Rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OR

$74.99 | 600W ($10 Rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Right now I think I'm probably getting a 5770, if there's a great deal I still might get a 4890.
My question is; is the OCZ 550W PSU enough for 2x5770 or 2x4890 CF?
2nd Question: Are OCZ's rebate's reliable? Is so the 550W will probably be the one.
December 16, 2009 8:31:07 PM

The Antec is the highest quality of those three. The fatal1ty 550 is a good deal right now. I have heard a couple people say they dont like OCZ PSUs, but a couple others say the newer ones are OK.

The 550 should handle two 5770s but only one 4890. The new GPUs take alot less power.

The Coolermaster Hyper 212 enginerrng linked is a good performing CPU cooler that fits every socket and is inexpensive. The Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer has also been on sale lately. The Xigmatek S1283 rifle cooler is another to look at.

Samsung has an F3 1TB model also that is cheaper than the Caviar black.
December 16, 2009 9:54:02 PM

I'm changing, it's a $896 build w/o Windows.
I want a solidify what monitor I'm going to get, 20 in min, 1600 x 900 min (16:10, 1600x1080 or higher) prefered. Hoping for a 22 in, 1920 x 1200.
Do you guys know of better/cheap monitors?
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