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June 16, 2012 8:51:23 PM

I have a variety of questions that I hope I can get answered. I have a Corsair 650D, and have checked compatibility. Currently I have a Cooler Master V6GT.
Here are the parts I have chosen for sure (unless strong reason to go against):
XSPC Raystorm CPU Waterblock
XSPC EX240 Slim Line Radiator
XSPC EX120 Slim Line Radiator
Koolance GTX 680 Waterblock
Compression Fittings
Pump>240mm>CPU>120mm>GPU>Reservoir

Questions
1. Will the radiators be able to cool both parts? CPU @4.5GHz+ 1.31v+, GPU (actually a GTX 670 clocked the same as a GTX 680 with a GTX 680 PCB)
2.What pump should I choose? DDC or D5? (enough to power the entire loop with one pump)
3. Based on question 2, what reservoir should I pick?
4. Based on question 2, what size tubing should I pick?
5. Type of fans? Push only, maybe pull if you can tell me where to get screws.
6. Where can I order the parts, I live in Canada. dazmode.com is good, but they don't have all the parts. How reliable is amazon.com? The parts from US site ship to Canada.

The fans will be putting air into the case, so the VRM and chipset should be fine, in theory.
Thanks in advance, and I would appreciate specific suggestions, eg. Swiftech MCP35X!

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a b K Overclocking
June 16, 2012 9:10:58 PM

what cpu do you have? that is pretty important.
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June 16, 2012 9:15:32 PM

cbrunnem said:
what cpu do you have? that is pretty important.

Oops, indeed that could be important! Intel Core i7 2600K.
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a b K Overclocking
June 16, 2012 9:41:42 PM

if you can go with a larger rad than the single 120 maybe a duel and your rad choice is a little low for what you want to do if you go with high FPI rads with high RPM fans you might be able to get away with such a low rad capacity at 2 X 240's for rads for those parts clocked.
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June 16, 2012 11:18:14 PM

toolmaker_03 said:
if you can go with a larger rad than the single 120 maybe a duel and your rad choice is a little low for what you want to do if you go with high FPI rads with high RPM fans you might be able to get away with such a low rad capacity at 2 X 240's for rads for those parts clocked.

I can't fit another 240mm radiator inside or out. I don't want to use an external enclosure because I don't have space. What radiator would you suggest? I can mount the other 120mm radiator on the outside and use the exterior holes. If heat is too much of a problem for the GPU, would you suggest just not watercooling the GPU and getting a card like the upcoming MSI Twin Frozr IV GTX 670? But by upgrading to a thicker radiator, would I get better cooling performance than my V6GT?
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a c 190 K Overclocking
June 16, 2012 11:28:33 PM

cbrunnem said:
what cpu do you have? that is pretty important.


In his members config,
ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3,
Intel Core i7 2600k @4.5GHz 1.31v,
8GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3 1600 (2x4GB),
EVGA GeForce GTX 560Ti 448 Cores FTW 1280MB GDDR5,
LG DVD Burner,
320GB Seagate Barracuda HDD,
20GB XBOX HDD,
Corsair 650D,
Cooler Master V6 GT,

I'm assuming most of this is carrying into the new build so correct me if I'm wrong please Op
I echo toolmakers advice, more rad is needed to cool Gpu and Cpu there, I'm just not sure how its fitting into a 650d, its late here and I'll reassess in the morning
Moto
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June 16, 2012 11:52:54 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
In his members config,
ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3,
Intel Core i7 2600k @4.5GHz 1.31v,
8GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3 1600 (2x4GB),
EVGA GeForce GTX 560Ti 448 Cores FTW 1280MB GDDR5,
LG DVD Burner,
320GB Seagate Barracuda HDD,
20GB XBOX HDD,
Corsair 650D,
Cooler Master V6 GT,

I'm assuming most of this is carrying into the new build so correct me if I'm wrong please Op
I echo toolmakers advice, more rad is needed to cool Gpu and Cpu there, I'm just not sure how its fitting into a 650d, its late here and I'll reassess in the morning
Moto

Yeah, everything except the graphics card and the heatsink. It does fit in a 650D. I've already posted a thread about it and I've seen people who have. Compatibility is not an issue. Anyway, thanks for the help, and look forward to your input tomorrow.
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 17, 2012 9:26:22 AM

I'd go for an external mount 360 rad or mod case and try fit a 360 inside. however, th external mount is the best option to feed cool/fresh air into rads, a lil better for temps.

res: upto you - some like inline res's/some tubed/ some bay res with pumps.
rads: i'd say your going to push it with the temps. which'll lead me to ask - why are you moving into watercooling in the first place? cos if its temp drops you want, you'll need more raddage
dazmode? : I'd just clsoe my eyes and get myself a xspc raystorm kit from him and try to get some scythe fans hooked onto a fan controller.

however, this is my 2 cents :) 
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June 17, 2012 11:57:29 AM

Lutfij said:
I'd go for an external mount 360 rad or mod case and try fit a 360 inside. however, th external mount is the best option to feed cool/fresh air into rads, a lil better for temps.

res: upto you - some like inline res's/some tubed/ some bay res with pumps.
rads: i'd say your going to push it with the temps. which'll lead me to ask - why are you moving into watercooling in the first place? cos if its temp drops you want, you'll need more raddage
dazmode? : I'd just clsoe my eyes and get myself a xspc raystorm kit from him and try to get some scythe fans hooked onto a fan controller.

however, this is my 2 cents :) 

Thanks a lot, and speaking about external mounts, I found some by Koolance that look pretty stylish. Would a single 480mm radiator be able to cool both parts?
Thanks for the answers, but how about the pump?
Also, the reason I'm moving to watercooling is because the V6GT gets loud in order to keep temps at around 60C. I just want a little bit more "quiet".
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 17, 2012 12:06:17 PM

swiftech make a radbox taht isn't that expensive. However you could go DY and get yourself some nylon screw spacers. very cheap and the rest of that saved cash can go into a good pump.

if mem serves me well, D5 is good for flow rate while the DDC is good for head pressure - correct me if i'm wrong anyone :) 

if quiet than yeah raddage+ good fans are the key.
read the watercooling sticky? if not, its located in my sig.
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a c 190 K Overclocking
June 17, 2012 12:19:27 PM

A 480 would be a better option, but I'd try and keep the 240 as well for headroom,
with W/c the more rad you have, the quieter you can get the system to run,
many people over-rad to enable a quiet, almost silent system
and I do love those koolance brackets, pricey but tres cool :) 
pumpwise a mcp655 will stand you well, theres a variable version as well if you prefer the control
Moto
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a b K Overclocking
June 17, 2012 12:21:50 PM

if quite is what you are looking for than the opposite applies, I have been fighting this issue for years. how to make a computer quite at load, and yes water cooling is the answer for that problem. but not with very little rad space, fast fans and high FPI rads remove a lot of heat from a system real fast but it will be as loud if not louder than air cooling. to get the system quite you will need low RPM fans and low FPI rads, and more of them. there is always a trade off, if you're going to get 1 480 go ahead get 2 they are already low FPI rads so all you need to get is good quite fans. if you get a fan controller you can adjust the speed of your fans up or down when at idol or load and it allows you to go with a little faster fans for more head room. between 2500 to 3000 RPM fans now they will get loud all the way up, but only if you want them to.
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June 17, 2012 6:03:44 PM

Lutfij said:
swiftech make a radbox taht isn't that expensive. However you could go DY and get yourself some nylon screw spacers. very cheap and the rest of that saved cash can go into a good pump.

if mem serves me well, D5 is good for flow rate while the DDC is good for head pressure - correct me if i'm wrong anyone :) 

if quiet than yeah raddage+ good fans are the key.
read the watercooling sticky? if not, its located in my sig.

Thanks, I read it over and I found some high CFM fans (80CFM), and only around 24dB. And I'll go with the D5 pump then. Thanks!
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June 17, 2012 6:04:55 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
A 480 would be a better option, but I'd try and keep the 240 as well for headroom,
with W/c the more rad you have, the quieter you can get the system to run,
many people over-rad to enable a quiet, almost silent system
and I do love those koolance brackets, pricey but tres cool :) 
pumpwise a mcp655 will stand you well, theres a variable version as well if you prefer the control
Moto

Pricey, but for a good cooling solution, I'm willing to pay. Anyway thanks, and yes it will be quiet!
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June 17, 2012 6:05:48 PM

toolmaker_03 said:
if quite is what you are looking for than the opposite applies, I have been fighting this issue for years. how to make a computer quite at load, and yes water cooling is the answer for that problem. but not with very little rad space, fast fans and high FPI rads remove a lot of heat from a system real fast but it will be as loud if not louder than air cooling. to get the system quite you will need low RPM fans and low FPI rads, and more of them. there is always a trade off, if you're going to get 1 480 go ahead get 2 they are already low FPI rads so all you need to get is good quite fans. if you get a fan controller you can adjust the speed of your fans up or down when at idol or load and it allows you to go with a little faster fans for more head room. between 2500 to 3000 RPM fans now they will get loud all the way up, but only if you want them to.

Yeah I have chosen some nice fans, and a fan controller. Thanks for the input, really helped me out!
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 17, 2012 6:21:24 PM

* please try to NOT make double/triple posts - address each member by a "@ user - " and you'll keep thread clean :) 

your welcome! might want to look at the 1080 rads by watercool cost a lot cheaper for such a surface area but the shippping more than makes up for it :p  - located here
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June 17, 2012 8:12:23 PM

Lutfij said:
* please try to NOT make double/triple posts - address each member by a "@ user - " and you'll keep thread clean :) 

your welcome! might want to look at the 1080 rads by watercool cost a lot cheaper for such a surface area but the shippping more than makes up for it :p  - located here

Sorry for the massive thread, I'll keep that in mind. The radiator seems a little too big, so I'll go with the 480mm if it can cool my CPU @4.8GHz (I'll experiment with voltage), and my GTX 670 @1009MHz. And one last thing, I know I'm deviating away a little from the topic but, if I choose to add another GTX 670 @1009MHz, could I add it to the same loop, or should I run it through a 240mm radiator (since I'm going with external, I have space for it)?
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 17, 2012 8:44:46 PM

you have spcae alright, however we'll need you to go over to the sticky and do a calc of the TDP of your components that you'd like to have under watrer.

this way you can answer your question confidently :) 
we're here to help, but we're not here to help you cheat :p 
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June 17, 2012 9:10:56 PM

Lutfij said:
you have spcae alright, however we'll need you to go over to the sticky and do a calc of the TDP of your components that you'd like to have under watrer.

this way you can answer your question confidently :) 
we're here to help, but we're not here to help you cheat :p 

Thanks a lot! I got my combined TDP even in worst-case scenario. The radiator will be enough to cool all my parts+. That sticky had lots on information so thanks. I have decided on my final build and hopefully it turns out well. I won't need the 240mm radiator, so you helped me save money.
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 17, 2012 9:25:21 PM

:)  rubix_1011 deserves the thanks for compiling the sticky - i just have it in my sig to guide folks interested in the sport :) 

great to see how its going for you. might want to list your hardware again for us to double check.

Oh yeah might want to have a build log up so we can see how your loop really looks :D  and it'll go nice among other watercooling build logs/loops to serve as inspiration for others.
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June 17, 2012 11:52:31 PM

Lutfij said:
:)  rubix_1011 deserves the thanks for compiling the sticky - i just have it in my sig to guide folks interested in the sport :) 

great to see how its going for you. might want to list your hardware again for us to double check.

Oh yeah might want to have a build log up so we can see how your loop really looks :D  and it'll go nice among other watercooling build logs/loops to serve as inspiration for others.

Yeah, it was very helpful, but rubix_1011 would be happy that people are spreading his work.
Here's the hardware for the final build, although I have decided to build in increments to not put a strain on my budget:
CPU Waterblock: XSPC Raystorm
GPU Waterblock: 2x Koolance VID-NX680
Pump: Swiftech MCP655
Reservoir: Swiftech MCRES Micro Rev.2 or Koolance 5.25 Bay Reservoir (not sure which one)
Radiator: Koolance Radiator/Fans/Shroud Assembly Kit, 4x120mm, Copper (with the bottom part [sold seperately])
Tubing: 1/2" ID, 5/8" OD

Thank you for taking the time to help (and not cheat :p ), and yeah, for sure, a build log would be fun.
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 17, 2012 11:59:22 PM

i'm not sur about that koolance rad. 4x120? surely you have other options. About budget, no sweat, just work your way into getting the parts and when its time - it'll go together.

if you're going with those tubings, then make sure the fittings are according to th tubing specs.
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June 19, 2012 1:37:07 AM

Lutfij said:
i'm not sur about that koolance rad. 4x120? surely you have other options. About budget, no sweat, just work your way into getting the parts and when its time - it'll go together.

if you're going with those tubings, then make sure the fittings are according to th tubing specs.

Yeah, I made sure the tubing would work with the fittings.
What's wrong with the radiator? Would you recommend a 360mm>CPU>240mm>GPU>GPU? I checked using the TDP calculator and it works. Would the reason for not going with a 480mm radiator be because the liquid would heat up too much by the time it gets to the second GPU? By going with the above configuration, I could also cool my VRM.
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a b K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 1:52:54 AM

just saying, you can go to ncix.com to get some of these parts

i know from a friend that the swiftech mcres can gunk up pretty fast
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 2:40:52 AM

@ the big troll - gunk? does he use the hydrx concentrate in his loop?
@OP - koolance rads , well for that price you can get other rads for a better perf and better aesthetics. e.g: alphacool XT45/UT60, xspc EX radiators... to name a few.

you're fine TDP wise, and no - the liquid wont heat up fast provided you're not running the radiators passively. have you found reviews for the koolance rad you're looking for? might want to check its heat dissipation capacity at noted fan rpms - otherwise the rad+tdp was for nothing.
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a b K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 10:36:07 AM

he just used distilled water
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a c 337 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 1:52:35 PM

I have a Swiftech microres and used it for about 3 years. I do have a little buildup, but would appear to be the same 'gunk' that coats the insides of tubing...which is another debate, entirely.
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 2:55:20 PM

lime/scale?
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a c 337 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 4:16:28 PM

Within a week's time? Not likely and not when using distilled.
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a c 190 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 5:35:24 PM

+1, if using domestic tap water limescale could happen, not with distilled though,
Moto
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a c 337 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 6:56:45 PM

I doubt it would even happen within a week even if you used tap water, but does bring up other interesting variables, as this would be dependent upon your local water supply and the results.
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 9:29:37 PM

hrmph :/ 
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a c 337 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 9:32:37 PM

Lutfij said:
hrmph :/ 


Why the disapproving/unhappy response?
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 10:15:20 PM

:lol:  twas a "hmmm" in master yoda's tone :p 

* joking aside - I'm itching to find out what that residue is...? could provide you some pics of the stuff lining the tubes when i dismantle the H50 mod.
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 19, 2012 10:32:26 PM

thanks will check it out!
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June 20, 2012 4:37:02 PM

Thanks for all the replies, I've been very busy lately and I just got time to go over the thread.

@Lutfij - No reviews but the it can dissipate 1300W of heat (more than enough). Also, the reason I chose that over an XSPC, is because it comes with a complete kit, but I realized that if I really want this to be good, I'm going to have to pay more. So, I chose and XSPC EX radiator, 480mm Slim Line.

@TheBigTroll - Yeah, I noticed that ncix.com is Canadian as well, and I love their guides on YouTube. The prices are great there too. So the three sites I'll use before buying direct (unless direct is a better option) are dazmode.com, ncix.com and amazon.com as a last resort.

@Everyone - I'll probably use a premix from one of the companies. Seems easy but a little more expensive, but then I can cound on not having to worry so much about build-ups.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
June 20, 2012 4:47:16 PM

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@Lutfij - No reviews but the it can dissipate 1300W of heat (more than enough)

Disagree. Where is this confirmed being correct, other than as stated by Koolance?

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@Everyone - I'll probably use a premix from one of the companies. Seems easy but a little more expensive, but then I can cound on not having to worry so much about build-ups.

You're more likely to have particulate build-ups from a premix than by just using distilled. (depending on what is chosen) Distilled water still performs the best and doesn't leave anything to question.
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a b K Overclocking
June 20, 2012 4:53:05 PM

I have never used a pre mix from a company but I have used a mix of water wetter antifreeze and distilled water for years now I am using water wetter algae guard and distilled water with no issues or build up there is a coating that occurs but it is not so thick that it would cause a blockage or restriction in the loop.
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a b K Overclocking
June 20, 2012 5:08:27 PM

chemical resistant tubing after 6 years of use with antifreeze





i still flush my system about every 6 months or so
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 20, 2012 7:48:08 PM

koolance are like the older version of corsairs H series of coolers "advertising" . Where in the world have you seen a Ferrari say that it can outgun a Veyron? nowhere, and even if those two manufacturers claim it, then you'll def see Jeremy Clarkson bark up one another and prove it on the track. In other words, where is your claims? I'd like to read them reviews of 1300W. funny thing is , I have raddage larger than that Koolance kit - nowhere close to their ability of 1300W. Its either a whitewash with manipulation or the observer at Koolance fell asleep and needed to fabricate result to not loose his job.
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a b K Overclocking
June 20, 2012 10:37:23 PM

to be able to transfer that much heat the air would need to heat up 11*c in 1 second if a total of 150cfm went through it.... thats a lot of heat.
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June 21, 2012 3:25:48 PM

@Everyone - 2 things:
1. Using distilled water on top and some sort of additive would be better is what you are saying? Any ratios on what to add?
2. Well those are the specifications on koolance.com, I can honestly say, I can't find any reviews. The total TDP for all parts does not exceed 700 Watts (worst-case scenario; will probably not happen), which leaves a 600 Watt space. I am going with the XSPC Slim Line EX480 radiator. Plus, 600 Watts is a lot for exaggeration. I can't find reviews on any of these radiators, but 700 Watts souns about reasonable.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
June 21, 2012 4:19:19 PM

2600K @ 4.5 = ~145w

2x GTX 670 (stock) = 170 (x2) = 340w

Total = 485 watts

Obviously, your GPUs will be higher depending on how much overclock is actually applied. Remember that TDP applies to a 100% efficiency at 100% load of power in watts being consumed and produced into heat in watts generated. You can usually account for 85-90% of your TDP to be a more realistic expectancy of 100% load output by all components.

A single, good performing 360 rad would be what you would need. More radiator space means lower delta-T.

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1. Using distilled water on top and some sort of additive would be better is what you are saying? Any ratios on what to add?

Distilled water and some sort of biocide (2-4 drops)...killcoil if you think it's beneficial.

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2. Well those are the specifications on koolance.com, I can honestly say, I can't find any reviews. The total TDP for all parts does not exceed 700 Watts (worst-case scenario; will probably not happen), which leaves a 600 Watt space. I am going with the XSPC Slim Line EX480 radiator. Plus, 600 Watts is a lot for exaggeration. I can't find reviews on any of these radiators, but 700 Watts souns about reasonable.

Addressed above. Still calling BS on the Koolance claims.
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a b K Overclocking
June 21, 2012 4:36:32 PM

well I have used a mix of 80% distilled water 17% antifreeze and 3% water wetter for years I know it works
after doing some research and talking with the guys here I will be using a mix of 97% distilled water 3% water wetter and 3 drops of HTH super extended algae guard.
but this what I am doing you should do some reading and find out what will work best for you and your system the pure distilled water works for a lot of people, without any issues and others have issues with varying reasons considering all the possibilities is what will be you using to make your final decision although I will never go to pure distilled I have been convened to at least try to get it as pure as I feel safe doing. I am not willing to take the risk but if I built my system with using only distilled in mind I would have changed some things inorder to do it. but using chemicals in your loop has a cost involved as well you need tubing that can handle it like chemical resistant tubing.
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a b K Overclocking
June 21, 2012 10:17:33 PM

rubix_1011 said:
2600K @ 4.5 = ~145w

2x GTX 670 (stock) = 170 (x2) = 340w

Total = 485 watts

Obviously, your GPUs will be higher depending on how much overclock is actually applied. Remember that TDP applies to a 100% efficiency at 100% load of power in watts being consumed and produced into heat in watts generated. You can usually account for 85-90% of your TDP to be a more realistic expectancy of 100% load output by all components.

A single, good performing 360 rad would be what you would need. More radiator space means lower delta-T.

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1. Using distilled water on top and some sort of additive would be better is what you are saying? Any ratios on what to add?

Distilled water and some sort of biocide (2-4 drops)...killcoil if you think it's beneficial.

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2. Well those are the specifications on koolance.com, I can honestly say, I can't find any reviews. The total TDP for all parts does not exceed 700 Watts (worst-case scenario; will probably not happen), which leaves a 600 Watt space. I am going with the XSPC Slim Line EX480 radiator. Plus, 600 Watts is a lot for exaggeration. I can't find reviews on any of these radiators, but 700 Watts souns about reasonable.

Addressed above. Still calling BS on the Koolance claims.

145w??? seriously. is it that much?

hwmonitor shows mine running at 95w max full load at 4.7 ghz.....
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a b K Overclocking
June 21, 2012 10:22:02 PM

95w is the TDP at stock speeds and not overclocked TDP
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a b K Overclocking
June 21, 2012 10:38:38 PM

TheBigTroll said:
95w is the TDP at stock speeds and not overclocked TDP

ah for some reason i was thinking 77 but why would it report that range of number if it wasnt running there....
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a b K Overclocking
June 21, 2012 10:40:38 PM

77w is ivy bridge stock TDP
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a b K Overclocking
June 21, 2012 10:42:00 PM

TheBigTroll said:
77w is ivy bridge stock TDP


i know i was still in ivy bridge mode. still didnt answer the question though
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