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June 22, 2012 3:14:46 PM

Hello everyone, just bought a pc and i want to watercool it, i dont want anything extreme like liquid nitrogen or something like that, all i want is a decent wc cooling system that will keep the temps of my oced i7 3960 (4.8-5.2Ghz) and OC 4sli gtx 680 (i only have 3 right now but i want to add a forth card in a couple of years)

Please chech this thread to have more information about my build: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/350762-31-ultimate-85...

i already bought this parts:

i7 3960x
Asus Rampage IV X79
G.skill Trident X RAM (32GB)
2TB Seagate barracuda
Mushkin Enhanced MKNSSDCR480GB
3x GTX 680s (Reference model)
Thermaltake TP-1500M
Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer

all i need is the case (i am open to any case, even mountain mods) and the watercooling parts, i need the watercooling system to be able to cool 4gtx 680s, not 3 (i need to buy every component for the 4th gtx 680 except the waterblock)

i was thinking in getting this....but idk :??: 

CPU loop: http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p11269 or cosair H100
GPU loop: 3x http://www.aquatuning.us/product_i [...] -G1-4.html
1x 12g tube of AS5 Thermalpaste
pump:http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
Radiator: http://www.aquatuning.us/product_i [...] t-Fan.html
Reservoir: http://www.aquatuning.us/product_i [...] pumps.html
Water additive: http://www.aquatuning.us/product_i [...] -10ml.html
Tubing: http://www.aquatuning.us/index.php [...] prene.html (i dont know wich one to buy)
Fittings: http://www.aquatuning.us/index.php/cPath/50 (i give up, i have no idea of what to buy)

did i miss anything? is everything good? renember that this loop must be capable of cooling 4x gtx 680 so i need to buy everything to install 4 gtx 680s (except the waterblock) any cool accesories or tools you recomend?

btw.... i want clear tubing and red led fans
a c 78 K Overclocking
June 22, 2012 3:33:59 PM

you forgot to include your budget mate, this will help alot! I know its a kick ass rig build but we also need to know how much we can work with on the case+cooling solution.

Corsair 800D is my vote.

we'll take care of you, now that your here. However, you've read and re-read the watercooling sticky?
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June 22, 2012 4:18:26 PM

Lutfij said:
you forgot to include your budget mate, this will help alot! I know its a kick ass rig build but we also need to know how much we can work with on the case+cooling solution.

Corsair 800D is my vote.

we'll take care of you, now that your here. However, you've read and re-read the watercooling sticky?
Well you were in the other thread so I'm sure you have an idea of what we can work with... Think that rig totaled at a little over 4k, minus the three 3d monitors, so you still have quite some room to work with. I'm not very knowledgeable about the WC aspects yet so I'll stay out of that part, but I did get to play around in my new case the NZXT Switch 810 and this thing is GIGANTIC. I knew it was big when I first looked at it and ordered the case, but I am just loving the thought of building in this when all of my parts get here.

Not trying to turn everyone onto the Switch cuz I know it has been a little overused but I just love this case. If not then you can always just start browsing the Newegg ATX-Full towers until you see something you like. Most of these cases are close to 10"x24"x24" which is HUGE. And if budget really is not a problem for you I know Dangerden makes some cool looking cases that are even bigger. It is mostly up to you and the aesthetics you want with it. Pick a theme if you are having a hard time deciding between a few cases and try to match it then


edit - also I think I remember you saying you wanted to keep the whole system enclosed (no outside radiators) but correct me if I'm wrong. If that is the case you may be wanting to look at mountain mods or DD cases because that will take some serious radiator space to remove 3/4-way sli heat plus a cpu loop. Or just suck it up and get one of those Aquacomputing Rads. Like I said, still kind of new to the WC world but I've been doing a lot of research these last few weeks for my build so I know what youre going through.
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June 22, 2012 6:10:19 PM

Lutfij said:
you forgot to include your budget mate, this will help alot! I know its a kick ass rig build but we also need to know how much we can work with on the case+cooling solution.

Corsair 800D is my vote.

we'll take care of you, now that your here. However, you've read and re-read the watercooling sticky?


i spent 4k on the rig and 2.8k in monitors,peripherals and confortalbe chair :D  i have 1.7k for the watercooling system but i dont think its necesary i spend it all, but if its ok if i have to

EDIT: i also need the case
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a c 330 K Overclocking
June 22, 2012 6:11:13 PM

$1700?

Let's get started.
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 22, 2012 6:13:20 PM

:lol:  ah rubix's on full throttle!
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June 22, 2012 7:53:19 PM

First of all: none of your aquatuning links but the 1st work.

Now back to topic.

Do we need to stay internal? Then the case is going to be MountainMods.
Is an external rad ok? Then I would recommend this: MoRa3 Pro

With that monster you don't even need a separate CPU loop.
Add a couple of Bitspower quick release fittings so you can easily disconnect the radiator from the case for transport.
And start thinking about a good fan controller, with a system like that you will need one. I would recommend an Aquaero (the software for all other fan controllers out there is seriously outdated and no longer in development, Aquacomputer is the only company constantly working on the software).
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June 22, 2012 8:44:55 PM

JustAnotherNoob said:
First of all: none of your aquatuning links but the 1st work.

Now back to topic.

Do we need to stay internal? Then the case is going to be MountainMods.
Is an external rad ok? Then I would recommend this: MoRa3 Pro

With that monster you don't even need a separate CPU loop.
Add a couple of Bitspower quick release fittings so you can easily disconnect the radiator from the case for transport.
And start thinking about a good fan controller, with a system like that you will need one. I would recommend an Aquaero (the software for all other fan controllers out there is seriously outdated and no longer in development, Aquacomputer is the only company constantly working on the software).


hi, if you go this post you will find in the botton all the links: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...
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June 22, 2012 8:46:42 PM

JustAnotherNoob said:
First of all: none of your aquatuning links but the 1st work.

Now back to topic.

Do we need to stay internal? Then the case is going to be MountainMods.
Is an external rad ok? Then I would recommend this: MoRa3 Pro

With that monster you don't even need a separate CPU loop.
Add a couple of Bitspower quick release fittings so you can easily disconnect the radiator from the case for transport.
And start thinking about a good fan controller, with a system like that you will need one. I would recommend an Aquaero (the software for all other fan controllers out there is seriously outdated and no longer in development, Aquacomputer is the only company constantly working on the software).


nop, i want every component to be inside the case....
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a c 330 K Overclocking
June 22, 2012 8:59:15 PM

You are going to need a massive case...you're looking at at least 2x 360 rads for this build.

Have you calculated your total loop TDP to determine what you'll need?
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June 22, 2012 9:10:05 PM

rubix_1011 said:
You are going to need a massive case...you're looking at at least 2x 360 rads for this build.

Have you calculated your total loop TDP to determine what you'll need?


yep! i went here: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp and put all my hardware info (including the 4th GTX 680) and the total TDP was 1536w.... somehow i feel that it wasnt the number i was supose to calculate, or is it?
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June 22, 2012 9:18:03 PM

damn i want the WC system sooo bad, i want to start my pc for the first time :D  is there any way i can use my pc with out a case? can i set the mobo on top of a box or something?
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a c 330 K Overclocking
June 22, 2012 9:31:33 PM

That would be the potential power draw for the system; you'd only want to calculate TDP for items in the watercooling loop such as CPU and GPUs, so you can quickly Goolgle '<my CPU> TDP' and <my GPU> TDP'

CPU + GPU + GPU + GPU + GPU = loop TDP

i7 3960 = 130w TDP @ stock
GTX 680 = 195w TDP @ stock (x4 cards)

Total= 910w TDP at stock for these components. You can realistically assume 85-90% of this TDP total and estimate as your loop TDP since power consumption in watts isn't exactly what your hardware will output in heat watts. Remember that TDP assumes 100% load and we account for all components at this state for a worst case scenario. If you overclock, your TDP goes up.

Assuming we stick with 910 watts, most common 360 rads can dissipate around 550 watts each with 1500-1800rpm fans, with an average flow rate of 1.0-1.5 gpm and assuming a modest 10C delta-T.
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June 22, 2012 10:09:20 PM

rubix_1011 said:
That would be the potential power draw for the system; you'd only want to calculate TDP for items in the watercooling loop such as CPU and GPUs, so you can quickly Goolgle '<my CPU> TDP' and <my GPU> TDP'

CPU + GPU + GPU + GPU + GPU = loop TDP

i7 3960 = 130w TDP @ stock
GTX 680 = 195w TDP @ stock (x4 cards)

Total= 910w TDP at stock for these components. You can realistically assume 85-90% of this TDP total and estimate as your loop TDP since power consumption in watts isn't exactly what your hardware will output in heat watts. Remember that TDP assumes 100% load and we account for all components at this state for a worst case scenario. If you overclock, your TDP goes up.

Assuming we stick with 910 watts, most common 360 rads can dissipate around 550 watts each with 1500-1800rpm fans, with an average flow rate of 1.0-1.5 gpm and assuming a modest 10C delta-T.


Ok, i went to this site: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp and it said that my i7 3960x draws 296w when overclocked (4.8ghz 1.45v) but i still need to know how much power will my 4 gtx 680 draw when overclocked :??: 

at first i wont overclock anything but after a year or so i will add the 4th gtx 680 and overclock everything

btw, can i install a single loop only? i mean...something easier that allows me to cool all my components when overclocked using a single (High end) pump, i dont know if the pump has an inpact in the cooling capabilities but i want to be sure that the water flowing at the speed it is suposed to

EDIT: i forgot to mention one of the most important things about this pc...i want it to be silent, the pc is going to be in my attic where i have everything setup (monitors, home teather, chairs and a little fridge:D ) but still... even if the Home teather is at a decent volume i am sure i will be able to hear the noise coming from the pc over the home teather, i know this because i had one of the oldest Xbox 360 and that thing sounded like a jet engine even when my tv volume was set mid-high

EDIT 2: i saw this article: http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-overclock... and it showed that the gtx 680 TDP when overclocked raises by only a bit
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June 23, 2012 3:18:57 PM

any one?
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a c 330 K Overclocking
June 23, 2012 5:43:48 PM

You're looking at 1000w or more based on those numbers, which puts you firmly into two 360 radiators.

The more heat in watts you are dissipating, the bigger/more rads you need...which means more fans, which means more noise. Watercooling doesn't always mean silence (which is a common misconception), but you can over rad a bit using low FPI rads and lower speed fans to accomplish this. Remember, you might be using low speed fans, but even having a lot of them adds up in overall noise.
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June 23, 2012 6:33:38 PM

rubix_1011 said:
You're looking at 1000w or more based on those numbers, which puts you firmly into two 360 radiators.

The more heat in watts you are dissipating, the bigger/more rads you need...which means more fans, which means more noise. Watercooling doesn't always mean silence (which is a common misconception), but you can over rad a bit using low FPI rads and lower speed fans to accomplish this. Remember, you might be using low speed fans, but even having a lot of them adds up in overall noise.


Got it! btw... could you please go in here: http://www.koolance.com/ and select every part i need....PLEAAASEE!! :( 

the tubings and fittings REALLY confuse me, i mean how should i conect everything? do you have any video that shows how?

i THINK this is everything i need:

CPU block: http://koolance.com/cpu-370-processor-water-block?path=...
GPU block: 3x http://koolance.com/vid-nx680-video-card-vga-nvidia-gef...
Pump: 2x http://koolance.com/pmp-450s-pump-id-13mm-1-2in?path=0_...
Rad: http://koolance.com/radiator-fans-shroud-assembly-kit-4... <---- it says it can cool 1300w of heat....its enough right?
Reservoir: http://koolance.com/rp-451x2-dual-5-25in-reservoir-for-...
Coolant: http://koolance.com/liq-702-liquid-coolant-bottle-high-...
Tubing: i am not sure whats the size of the tubing i shoud get but i am sure i want it to be Clear and UV reactive or black with non UV coolant

Edit: i decided that i dont want anything in my case to glow, i mean i want everything to be black and no led fans or UV coolant, i might add a Led sleeve or a few cold cathodes but that will be it


Look this pic: http://originpc.com/images/bigo_design_main.jpg ... as you can see there is only 1 tube that cools all the GPUs i assume that the tube is conected to one card and valve allows the liquid to pass trough all of them... am i right?? as you can see above i didnt listed the fittings, valves,etc because i am not going to even try to choose them because i do not know their correct size

i still need a case that will fit everything..... just so you know, idont want to do any kind of modifications to my case

Will Cosmos 2 be good for my parts?

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a c 330 K Overclocking
June 23, 2012 8:39:29 PM

You are still missing a lot of information on what you need and how you need to do this. Me 'just telling you what to get' doesn't do you any good since you have to know how to install, route tubing, know which way flow is going and why, how to fill, how to purge air, what to do if there is a problem, what to do if you have an issue with a card getting hot and the others staying cool, etc..etc..etc..etc.

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i still need a case that will fit everything..... just so you know, idont want to do any kind of modifications to my case

Then you are going to need a fairly expensive case to fit at least 2x 360 radiators (or more depending on your OC wattage).

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Will Cosmos 2 be good for my parts?

See above.

Why are you choosing everything from Koolance?
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June 23, 2012 9:28:30 PM

rubix_1011 said:
You are still missing a lot of information on what you need and how you need to do this. Me 'just telling you what to get' doesn't do you any good since you have to know how to install, route tubing, know which way flow is going and why, how to fill, how to purge air, what to do if there is a problem, what to do if you have an issue with a card getting hot and the others staying cool, etc..etc..etc..etc.

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i still need a case that will fit everything..... just so you know, idont want to do any kind of modifications to my case

Then you are going to need a fairly expensive case to fit at least 2x 360 radiators (or more depending on your OC wattage).

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Will Cosmos 2 be good for my parts?

See above.

Why are you choosing everything from Koolance?


1) well... i am not a Nasa technician but i am REALLY good assambling things, i renember that when i was a kid i used the repair radios, tvs, etc.... i ve fixed phones, laptos, nothing major but i know how to work with hardware i am more than sure that the parts i will buy will come with instrucctions....besides i will watch this guy videos ( http://www.youtube.com/user/SingularityComputers ) he shows how he assabled one of his clients build wich is very similar to mine (his build uses dual 6990s)

2) money is not a problem, in fact.... i REALLY want to buy the 4th GTX 680 just be save, so that i dont have to re-do all the WCing when i buy it, i will use it as a Physx card until a couple of years because most games cant take adventage of a forth card, or even a third (by the way.... what will happen if i conect a card to my motherboard but not the PCI-e conectors? ) There was a guy that linked a few super expensive case (1200- 1600 EUROS!) i think my 1.7k should be enough for the watercooling system and a case, if not, i can add another 500$ IF its worth it

3) idk :lol:  mostly because i like making a single big purchase rather than many small purchases, but if i have to do that in order to get better parts i will


if you can just "tell me what to get" i will REALLY apreciate it, because i am crazy to try my pc for the first time, i got all my parts 3 days ago :( 

you know what? i will order the 4th gtx 680...
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June 24, 2012 1:37:45 AM

OMG i found the perfect case!!! the NXZT Switch 810 in NXZT webpage is listed that i can use a 420mm rad and a 240mm rad so will this rads be ok? 420mm---> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... 240mm---> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

EDIT: fans i will use for the 240mm rad: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... and for the 420mm rad : http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

EDIT2: this case will also be nice... i think :??:  http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

EDIT3: i think i found what i want.... a Phobya Xtreme NOVA 1080 Rad or a Watercool MO-RA3 9x120 Pro Rad, wich one is better?
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June 24, 2012 4:49:08 PM

i hope you know that the gtx 680's are 3 way sli certified by nvidia,not four way..my recommendation about the case is the caselabs sth10..best tower style case ever made.....best red led fanss..enermax appolish vegas..they are available in 120mm and 140mm..unfortunately the 120mm is blue..but there is another enermax vegas fan..probably its the t.b. vegas but not appolish so they are less priced but they will provide the vegas red lights.....i have never seen any fan with so many led modes....and about your watercooling kits..i dont recommend them..i recommend these products....

ek supermacy csq waterblock(acetal+nickle recommended)

ek r4e rampage 4 extreme waterblock(as you are going to be doing some serious oc,you should use the mobo waterblock for better scores)(acetal+en nickle recommended)

ek gtx 680 csq waterblocks(acetal+nickle recommended)

ek nvidia link

ek quad parellal bridge(for quad sli gtx 680's)

primochill 3/8'' id,5/8'' od tubing as that tubing size is the most common and primochill make awesome tubing

bitspower compression fittings

bitspower 90 degree angled fittings for tight bends

koolance sli fittings for spacing

biitspower/koolance drainers for draining

koolance splitter,...you dont need dual loops..just create a parallel loop with the splitter

ek 400ml advanced tube style reservoir..there are many reservoirs but its the biggest availabe and bay style res take up bay space so there will be probs mounting other bay devices....you can use any res you like but i like the ek res

ppc's dual d5/mcp665 pump....its the best single loop pump available..there is also a dual loop version of it...if you are going to be using the dual loop..get the dual loop pump

xspc rx series radiators for 120mm

phobya g-changer radiators for 140mm

and i dont recommend the additives and stuff..use distilled water and silver coils for better performance

thats pretty much the best watercooling hardware available

i might be destroying your whole plan of the watercooling kit but these are the best hardware availabe.....

hope it helps:D 
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 24, 2012 5:10:33 PM

prescribing parts for watercooling isn't how we do things around here, we first teach you how to learn and educate yourself as it'll be you who'll look after the loop. Then when you've narrowed down parts and haven't just copy/pasted parts onto the thread - we'll help a lil more on fine tuning(but not tuning the darn rig ourselves).

If you think there's a guy on the phone who'll come by your place for maintaining your loop - well, guess again.
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June 24, 2012 5:14:18 PM

Lutfij said:
prescribing parts for watercooling isn't how we do things around here, we first teach you how to learn and educate yourself as it'll be you who'll look after the loop. Then when you've narrowed down parts and haven't just copy/pasted parts onto the thread - we'll help a lil more on fine tuning(but not tuning the darn rig ourselves.

If you think there's a guy on the phone who'll come by your place for maintaining your loop - well, guess again.


didnt he only need parts recommendation?i thought he was well experienced to look after his rig and copy paste?lol
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June 24, 2012 5:20:56 PM

aqualipt said:
OMG i found the perfect case!!! the NXZT Switch 810 in NXZT webpage is listed that i can use a 420mm rad and a 240mm rad so will this rads be ok? 420mm---> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... 240mm---> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

EDIT: fans i will use for the 240mm rad: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... and for the 420mm rad : http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

EDIT2: this case will also be nice... i think :??:  http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

EDIT3: i think i found what i want.... a Phobya Xtreme NOVA 1080 Rad or a Watercool MO-RA3 9x120 Pro Rad, wich one is better?


i dont think you will find an awesome case fitting such huge rads..and you could just use 3x xspc rx360's in different places...if you want use a huge rad...well among em probably mora provides better performance..i think i had seen a comparison of those rads somewhere..but i recommend phobya..as they are one of the best watercooling hardware vendors,,tinytomlogan has a review of the phobya 1080....so i'd recommend phobya 1080
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 24, 2012 5:21:43 PM

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didnt he only need parts recommendation?i thought he was well experienced to look after his rig and copy paste?lol
^ put in english please thank you....

@ aqualipt - stay away from koolance kits+parts except for the CPU-370 block. it is higher performing, though there has been a lot more better blocks since the heatkiller rev3.0 days.

you should look at the XSPC Raystorm copper - google it find it and add it to your list of parts to buy.

i'll tell you what, if you can find the parts for your rig i.e: blocks and rads (also a theme for how the rig will look), then I'll help with the fittings/compression fittings+tubings part. but i need you to help me out buy choosing the parts carefully.

FYI - those parts aren't the BEST

nickel EK block - recommendation??? [:lutfij:2]

nickel on an EK block is potential danger and killer to your loop, esp since you've advised OP to run the loop on distilled. Please read the sticky before prescribing parts that'll make OP hate us for giving him BAD advice.

No one here likes running rigs on coolants, dyes or premixes - pure distilled is the best out there. If mixes - best make your own mixture, however it should be based on calc's first. EK nickel blocks - well they tarnish and corrode when in the scenario of using distilled+kill coil - not possible chemically but EK says so and you'll loose RMA(warranty) when they'll tarnish under distilled conditions.
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June 24, 2012 9:00:56 PM

mukitbinazad said:
i hope you know that the gtx 680's are 3 way sli certified by nvidia,not four way..


WHAAT? :o  so what do i do? do i return the forth card?
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 24, 2012 9:48:27 PM

@ aqualipt - please be careful, you can get a 4th GTX 680 - its sli'able and nvidia are working on their drivers to optimize/unlock the PCI-E 3.0 bandwith issue.

@ mukit - where are your claims of it not having quad sli support? stop dishing out rubbish info on threads.
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June 24, 2012 10:27:03 PM

mukitbinazad said:
i hope you know that the gtx 680's are 3 way sli certified by nvidia,not four way..my recommendation about the case is the caselabs sth10..best tower style case ever made.....best red led fanss..enermax appolish vegas..they are available in 120mm and 140mm..unfortunately the 120mm is blue..but there is another enermax vegas fan..probably its the t.b. vegas but not appolish so they are less priced but they will provide the vegas red lights.....i have never seen any fan with so many led modes....and about your watercooling kits..i dont recommend them..i recommend these products....

ek supermacy csq waterblock(acetal+nickle recommended)

ek r4e rampage 4 extreme waterblock(as you are going to be doing some serious oc,you should use the mobo waterblock for better scores)(acetal+en nickle recommended)

ek gtx 680 csq waterblocks(acetal+nickle recommended)

ek nvidia link

ek quad parellal bridge(for quad sli gtx 680's)

primochill 3/8'' id,5/8'' od tubing as that tubing size is the most common and primochill make awesome tubing

bitspower compression fittings

bitspower 90 degree angled fittings for tight bends

koolance sli fittings for spacing

biitspower/koolance drainers for draining

koolance splitter,...you dont need dual loops..just create a parallel loop with the splitter

ek 400ml advanced tube style reservoir..there are many reservoirs but its the biggest availabe and bay style res take up bay space so there will be probs mounting other bay devices....you can use any res you like but i like the ek res

ppc's dual d5/mcp665 pump....its the best single loop pump available..there is also a dual loop version of it...if you are going to be using the dual loop..get the dual loop pump

xspc rx series radiators for 120mm

phobya g-changer radiators for 140mm

and i dont recommend the additives and stuff..use distilled water and silver coils for better performance

thats pretty much the best watercooling hardware available

i might be destroying your whole plan of the watercooling kit but these are the best hardware availabe.....

hope it helps:D 


Wow this case http://www.caselabs-store.com/magnum-sth10/ is kick ass i am about to order it...btw do i order it with the top/upper/botton chambers solid or ventilated? will that affect the space for my rads?


another thing.... i highly doubt i will use another bay device other than a BD-drive so i dont mind using a bay stile reservoir like this one http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... speacially because it has a slot for two pumps

another thing...becuase the case i will buy has space for 11/12 rads, how many do i buy? and what size? i am thinking in getting 8x140mm rads (4x in the lower chamber and 4x upper chamber top), 8x of these rads should be ok right? http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... with 8x of these fans: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

(BTW....does my mobo has that many fan ports? or do i have to buy a "fan port splitter"?)

ive been doing some research i think my favorite brand is EK (most Watercooled PCs ive seen in youtube use EK waterblocks)

OK! i am almost ready to order Everything ... this is my list

CPU block : EK Supremacy Acetal + Nickel
GPU Blocks: 4x EK-FC680 GTX - Acetal+EN (Nickel)
Motherboard Block: EK-FB KIT RE4 - Acetal+EN (Nickel)
Reservoir: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
Pump: 2x PMP-450S
Radiators and fans: see above
Tubing: i dont know how much i need so you are going to have to tell me :(  and, whatever the diameter it needs to be i want it to be Black or UV-Black
SLI Bridge: my motherboard came with it


Fitting: please pick the right fittings for the parts i linked above

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June 24, 2012 10:28:33 PM

Lutfij said:
@ aqualipt - please be careful, you can get a 4th GTX 680 - its sli'able and nvidia are working on their drivers to optimize/unlock the PCI-E 3.0 bandwith issue.

@ mukit - where are your claims of it not having quad sli support? stop dishing out rubbish info on threads.


Not sure but just seen this: PCIe 3.0 and X79 Will not be Supported with GTX 670/680 And This
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June 24, 2012 10:30:53 PM

Lutfij said:
prescribing parts for watercooling isn't how we do things around here, we first teach you how to learn and educate yourself as it'll be you who'll look after the loop. Then when you've narrowed down parts and haven't just copy/pasted parts onto the thread - we'll help a lil more on fine tuning(but not tuning the darn rig ourselves).

If you think there's a guy on the phone who'll come by your place for maintaining your loop - well, guess again.


if by maintaining my loop you mean:
*Check that everything is perfectly conected
*That there are no leakings
*That there is enough water in my Reservoir
*That my stuff is clean
*That there is no fongus or anything like that

I can do all that :D  besides... ive built over 10 rigs in past Two years for most of my family members :p 
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 24, 2012 10:37:13 PM

by maintain i mean draining loop after every 6 months, and then tearing down loop to inspect that there is no corrosion, not gunk in the restrictive parts of your loop. Basically saying that it'll be a hobby for you, like having another baby in the house, only needs attention every 6 months.

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ive built over 10 rigs in past Two years for most of my family members
well, watercooling is a lil dif, its not install and forget :) 

@ mousetrap - thanks mate, reading up on it. Edit: just read it, yeah nvidia are yet to come out with another revision after that claim and I did mention its sli'able, i didn't say it'd run at 3.0 off the bat.
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June 24, 2012 10:38:03 PM

Lutfij said:
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didnt he only need parts recommendation?i thought he was well experienced to look after his rig and copy paste?lol
^ put in english please thank you....

@ aqualipt - stay away from koolance kits+parts except for the CPU-370 block. it is higher performing, though there has been a lot more better blocks since the heatkiller rev3.0 days.

you should look at the XSPC Raystorm copper - google it find it and add it to your list of parts to buy.

i'll tell you what, if you can find the parts for your rig i.e: blocks and rads (also a theme for how the rig will look), then I'll help with the fittings/compression fittings+tubings part. but i need you to help me out buy choosing the parts carefully.

FYI - those parts aren't the BEST

nickel EK block - recommendation??? [:lutfij:2]

nickel on an EK block is potential danger and killer to your loop, esp since you've advised OP to run the loop on distilled. Please read the sticky before prescribing parts that'll make OP hate us for giving him BAD advice.

No one here likes running rigs on coolants, dyes or premixes - pure distilled is the best out there. If mixes - best make your own mixture, however it should be based on calc's first. EK nickel blocks - well they tarnish and corrode when in the scenario of using distilled+kill coil - not possible chemically but EK says so and you'll loose RMA(warranty) when they'll tarnish under distilled conditions.


ok ok ok got it! my colored water in my build, only destilated water!

so... no nickel on my waterblocks?? only acetal?

The parts i choose are above. can you pick the right fittings and tubing for me :??:  i want UV-black tubing...if not black only
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June 24, 2012 10:39:48 PM

Lutfij said:
@ aqualipt - please be careful, you can get a 4th GTX 680 - its sli'able and nvidia are working on their drivers to optimize/unlock the PCI-E 3.0 bandwith issue.

@ mukit - where are your claims of it not having quad sli support? stop dishing out rubbish info on threads.


ok! thank you, i was about to cancel the order :lol:  it should arrive to my house tomorrow
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June 24, 2012 10:41:49 PM

Lutfij said:
by maintain i mean draining loop after every 6 months, and then tearing down loop to inspect that there is no corrosion, not gunk in the restrictive parts of your loop. Basically saying that it'll be a hobby for you, like having another baby in the house, only needs attention every 6 months.

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ive built over 10 rigs in past Two years for most of my family members
well, watercooling is a lil dif, its not install and forget :) 

@ mousetrap - thanks mate, reading up on it. Edit: just read it, yeah nvidia are yet to come out with another revision after that claim and I did mention its sli'able, i didn't say it'd run at 3.0 off the bat.


Well i am sure i can do it... besides... my wife takes care of the 3 babies and she will take care of the forth too so that doesnt worry me :lol: 

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June 24, 2012 10:46:21 PM

Lutfij said:
by maintain i mean draining loop after every 6 months, and then tearing down loop to inspect that there is no corrosion, not gunk in the restrictive parts of your loop. Basically saying that it'll be a hobby for you, like having another baby in the house, only needs attention every 6 months.

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ive built over 10 rigs in past Two years for most of my family members
well, watercooling is a lil dif, its not install and forget :) 

@ mousetrap - thanks mate, reading up on it. Edit: just read it, yeah nvidia are yet to come out with another revision after that claim and I did mention its sli'able, i didn't say it'd run at 3.0 off the bat.


I did not mean any harm I just seen it and thought it was worth a look!
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 24, 2012 10:51:23 PM

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038863302&postcoun...
read this and you can move onto read more.

yeah correct, no nickel - it'll look like this
http://www.overclock.net/t/915966/please-read-before-pu...

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266834-29-before-nick...
scroll down to the last post to see the latest installment.

and yeah, Tom's did get it to work, i read it a few days ago however after their review, nvidia said a driver is in the works to fix this glitch, and its not just an emulated PCI-E 3.0 addon.

@ mousetrap - no offense taken nor given mate, you didn't ruffle my feathers :) 
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June 24, 2012 10:56:57 PM

aqualipt said:
Well i am sure i can do it... besides... my wife takes care of the 3 babies and she will take care of the forth too so that doesnt worry me :lol: 

great to hear that :) 

any more progress with the parts?
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June 24, 2012 11:37:21 PM

Lutfij said:
great to hear that :) 

any more progress with the parts?


Yep! i will totally take your advice....no EK waterblocks...btw can you help me with my case settings?
http://www.caselabs-store.com/magnum-sth10/

i defitnely know i want it black but i didnt understand what ATX layout was (Standard or Reverse) wich one is better?

and about the MB door... i think XXXL Windows is better right? or XXL is fine? i want my mobo to look small when compared to the case :lol: 

and the upper/botton/Top covers should be solid, ventilated or 120mm ventilated? if i choose solid, can i still install my own 120mm fan?

What are the best CPU/GPU/MOBO Waterblock out there? btw...if you can, please give me the links of the fittings and tubing :??:  i want to start building my PC ASAP i cant way to test it on BF3 and COD :pt1cable: 

OFF TOPIC: how do i get one of those cool signatures you all have? i mean... the ones that when you type something ie: "Power Supply+UPS " have a link on them

Edit: where do all fans should be conected?? normally when i build a system i conect them directly to the motherboard but i dont think my MB has 8 fans slots :lol: 

Edit2: the case doesnt come with the Rads mounts so i am gonna need them too

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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 24, 2012 11:47:28 PM

:lol:  mate, get a hold of yourself! the case, well its your case and you need to decide how it'll look. the blocks - sheesh, you are in a botch, huh? have you decided on what sort of inside case theme you'd want it to look? standard is where the mobo tray is on your right and the mobo is right side up. reverse is where the mobo tray is on your left and the mobo is upside down. (i think)
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June 25, 2012 12:10:14 AM

Lutfij said:
:lol:  mate, get a hold of yourself! the case, well its your case and you need to decide how it'll look. the blocks - sheesh, you are in a botch, huh? have you decided on what sort of inside case theme you'd want it to look? standard is where the mobo tray is on your right and the mobo is right side up. reverse is where the mobo tray is on your left and the mobo is upside down. (i think)


i will choose standard just to be safe... as for the theme... i dont care much about astethics but i am sure i do not want noctua fans...(they are ugly as hell) i was thinking in red led fans (i linked them below) and black uv or normal black tubing
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June 25, 2012 12:14:07 AM

to be honest with you my goal is to order tonight! so i can start building it, oh... and please tell me about the signatures and fans slots :lol: 
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a c 78 K Overclocking
June 25, 2012 12:26:31 AM

about signatures, please check your PM - located on your top right hand corner. If it isn't displayed, click on on show right column.

fan slots?

you want color in your rig+loop? get colored tubing and not use colored coolants. they are based on degradable dyes so they'll break down and cause your lop to coagulate. I still will restrain myself form advising parts for cooling. You need to learn how to do it. I can't just by you tablets and expect you to swallow them. I'm here to show you how to make your own tablets and then swallow them.

black tubing + red LED fans. okay. what rad size have you selected?

like i said, You need to help me in order for me to help you too.
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June 25, 2012 1:24:56 AM

Lutfij said:
about signatures, please check your PM - located on your top right hand corner. If it isn't displayed, click on on show right column.

fan slots?

you want color in your rig+loop? get colored tubing and not use colored coolants. they are based on degradable dyes so they'll break down and cause your lop to coagulate. I still will restrain myself form advising parts for cooling. You need to learn how to do it. I can't just by you tablets and expect you to swallow them. I'm here to show you how to make your own tablets and then swallow them.

black tubing + red LED fans. okay. what rad size have you selected?

like i said, You need to help me in order for me to help you too.


nop, i down want red tubing, either UV black or normal Black, The Rads cooler will have red led and i might add a Cold cathode or one of those NXZT Led sleeve

yeah the fan slots...the 3-4 pin conectors in the mobo, my mobo doesnt have that many fan conectors so, where will all 8 fans go conected?

Ok this is it, i guess :??: 

CPU block: Koolance CPU - 370 Waterblock 1.1v 79.99$
Mobo block: Koolance MB-ASR4E Water Block 134.99$
GPU block: 4x Koolance VID-NX680 Water Block 479.96$

Thats 694.94$ for Waterblocks only...so i hope they are good :lol:  and in the page said they were made with solid copper and plated with anti-corrosive nickel, so no corrosion problems as EK blocks, right? :??: 

Case: MAGNUM STH10 Customized 599.99$ (Do i buy it with a HPTX or XL-ATX form factor?)

Radiators: 8x Black Ice GTX 140 639.92$
Fans: 8x BitFenix Spectre Pro 140mm Black Tinted Red LED Fan 152.00$
Pumps: 2x Koolance PMP-450S 198.00$
Reservoir: Koolance RP-452X2 Rev 1.3 (Rev 2.0 is sold out) 129.00$

Thats....2412.91$....waaaay over my 1700$ budget..... :( 



Naaaaaah i am still getting all the parts :lol: 

now, please list (prescribe :lol: ) all the Fittings, Nozzels, Clamps, Conectors, Splitters, Valves i am going to need

the only valve i know i am going to get is this one: http://koolance.com/vlv-xtsplb-drain-valve-brass?path=0... so i can drain my loop and re-fill it

Oh! and i almost forgot, Thermalpaste: Artic Silver 5 12g Tube 21$

Edit: Do you guys recomend me to buy EVGAs GTX 680 Backplate?
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June 25, 2012 6:49:16 AM

Lutfij said:
@ aqualipt - please be careful, you can get a 4th GTX 680 - its sli'able and nvidia are working on their drivers to optimize/unlock the PCI-E 3.0 bandwith issue.

@ mukit - where are your claims of it not having quad sli support? stop dishing out rubbish info on threads.

when the gtx 680 first came out and i saw its specs..it was clearly mentioned that the gtx 680 is 3 way sli certified..i emailed nvidia about it...i told them that on many youtube videos people are running quad 680's,,,then they told me that you can 4 680's but the certification is only 3 way sli.....btw,there is no surround monitor setup guide for quad sli..
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June 25, 2012 6:52:47 AM

aqualipt said:
ok ok ok got it! my colored water in my build, only destilated water!

so... no nickel on my waterblocks?? only acetal?

The parts i choose are above. can you pick the right fittings and tubing for me :??:  i want UV-black tubing...if not black only


ek has fixed that issue..now whenever you see a ek nickle item accept for the csq's,...its written en in brackets///..but still people have trouble with nickle..as they mix metals and use additives,they become corrode...so dont mix metals and dont use additives and you will have no probs.....the nickle+acetal is the best combo..its more reliable.....

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June 25, 2012 7:07:13 AM

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as they mix metals and use additives
please refer a thread where they used mixed metals.

rule one in sticky,its fail if you run a mixed metal setup. obviously you're shooting in the dark with your opinions. seasoned watercoolers know better to run a nickel plated block in a mixed metal loop. Google : "zalman reserator block corrosion" and you'll see what I mean. Thas why zalman dropped out of the watercooling market...years ago.

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so dont mix metals and dont use additives and you will have no probs.....the nickle+acetal is the best combo..its more reliable.....
please read above posting and the links I provided with my claims.

thank you :) 
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June 25, 2012 7:08:13 AM

aqualipt said:
nop, i down want red tubing, either UV black or normal Black, The Rads cooler will have red led and i might add a Cold cathode or one of those NXZT Led sleeve

yeah the fan slots...the 3-4 pin conectors in the mobo, my mobo doesnt have that many fan conectors so, where will all 8 fans go conected?

Ok this is it, i guess :??: 

CPU block: Koolance CPU - 370 Waterblock 1.1v 79.99$
Mobo block: Koolance MB-ASR4E Water Block 134.99$
GPU block: 4x Koolance VID-NX680 Water Block 479.96$

Thats 694.94$ for Waterblocks only...so i hope they are good :lol:  and in the page said they were made with solid copper and plated with anti-corrosive nickel, so no corrosion problems as EK blocks, right? :??: 

Case: MAGNUM STH10 Customized 599.99$ (Do i buy it with a HPTX or XL-ATX form factor?)

Radiators: 8x Black Ice GTX 140 639.92$
Fans: 8x BitFenix Spectre Pro 140mm Black Tinted Red LED Fan 152.00$
Pumps: 2x Koolance PMP-450S 198.00$
Reservoir: Koolance RP-452X2 Rev 1.3 (Rev 2.0 is sold out) 129.00$

Thats....2412.91$....waaaay over my 1700$ budget..... :( 



Naaaaaah i am still getting all the parts :lol: 

now, please list (prescribe :lol: ) all the Fittings, Nozzels, Clamps, Conectors, Splitters, Valves i am going to need

the only valve i know i am going to get is this one: http://koolance.com/vlv-xtsplb-drain-valve-brass?path=0... so i can drain my loop and re-fill it

Oh! and i almost forgot, Thermalpaste: Artic Silver 5 12g Tube 21$

Edit: Do you guys recomend me to buy EVGAs GTX 680 Backplate?


let me solve your case probs..actually the case stuff is your own choice...get the top bottom vantilated as you are going to be mounting rads there...and the motherboard layout..well,if you are going to be upgrading to a huge mobo like the evga srx or something.if not than the xl-atx is best for you..as if you get the htpx layout and use the r4e mobo...there will be probs managing the cables at the back of the case..but to be safe you can buy the htpx...i dont know if you will be building a server/ws lol...so its your choice..and the window..well i love the xxl window as buy using it you'll be able to show of everything..by using the smaller one,you will only be showing of the mobo..but beware..the xxl window is really big and your bd drive might be visible.....and you will be able to use max 5 rads in the sth10...the rads are your choice..if you want to get a 140mm fan rad..get the rad from the phobya g-changer series..if you want 120mm get the xspc rx series rads....as you can mount many rads in the case..you';; have to figure out where to mount which size rad....if you want to mount the most rads possible in the sth10,i'd recommend 2 560(140x4) rads on top..one 560(140x4) and 1 420(140x3) rad in the bottom..and 1 360mm(120x3) rad on the front bay area(if you mount it,you will have only 2x 5.25'' bays..so you will be able to mount only 2x bay devices..i would recommend 1 fan controller and the optical drive on the front,front i/o panel on the floppy space and get a tube style res....and i still recommend the ek waterblocks.....and earlier i said about the ek quad parallel bridge..actually it bridges your waterblocks(you need the links to conect em to the bridge,they work as adapters for multi gpu watercooling,yopu can watch youtube videpos on how the ek bridge and links work).......the top of the line cpu blocks are the xspc raystorm,swiftech apogee and ek csq...so if you are gonna get ek,..those corrode issues were in the past.....
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June 25, 2012 7:47:00 AM

aqualipt said:
Wow this case http://www.caselabs-store.com/magnum-sth10/ is kick ass i am about to order it...btw do i order it with the top/upper/botton chambers solid or ventilated? will that affect the space for my rads?


another thing.... i highly doubt i will use another bay device other than a BD-drive so i dont mind using a bay stile reservoir like this one http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... speacially because it has a slot for two pumps

another thing...becuase the case i will buy has space for 11/12 rads, how many do i buy? and what size? i am thinking in getting 8x140mm rads (4x in the lower chamber and 4x upper chamber top), 8x of these rads should be ok right? http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... with 8x of these fans: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

(BTW....does my mobo has that many fan ports? or do i have to buy a "fan port splitter"?)

ive been doing some research i think my favorite brand is EK (most Watercooled PCs ive seen in youtube use EK waterblocks)

OK! i am almost ready to order Everything ... this is my list

CPU block : EK Supremacy Acetal + Nickel
GPU Blocks: 4x EK-FC680 GTX - Acetal+EN (Nickel)
Motherboard Block: EK-FB KIT RE4 - Acetal+EN (Nickel)
Reservoir: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
Pump: 2x PMP-450S
Radiators and fans: see above
Tubing: i dont know how much i need so you are going to have to tell me :(  and, whatever the diameter it needs to be i want it to be Black or UV-Black
SLI Bridge: my motherboard came with it


Fitting: please pick the right fittings for the parts i linked above


mate,i already told you about the tubing size..the 3/8'' id,5/8'' od is the most common..i also told you about the fittings....
you need to match the size of the fittings to the tubing size you are gonna use..if you are going to use the 3/8'' id,5/8'' od tubing,get the fittings of that size..i told you the names of the fittings..and primochill also has black tubing
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