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February 27, 2010 12:38:05 AM

I should start by apologizing for this thread so ....... Sorry!

Down to business! It's been a long time (Dx66 Days) since I built my own system, and thought I'd give it a try. I'm not a tech head, cyber geek, or anything better than a newb when it comes to knowing the technical jargon so please bear with me and answer/offer suggestions in layman's terms - Thanks.

When I set out to build my new game rig I was certain I knew a bit about processor speeds in that the bigger the number the better. So far here is what I know....Vodka and Orange Juice = Good....Crown Royal and Ice = Better

My question to all the sober ones is this....

Gaming Rig w/longevity and ease of future upgrades (if there is such a thing)
i3?
i5?
i7?

Remember layman's terms are appreciated all others will land on ignorant and somewhat inebriated brain cells.

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February 27, 2010 1:21:34 AM

Hmm, what's you budget. Any of the above could be excellent gamers depending on the budget, though in the mid/low area AMD is also an option.
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February 27, 2010 1:54:50 AM

Let's just assume I want the best bang for my buck and the ability to stretch my dollar beyond the yen. Which processor has the best probability to outlast the others, so that when I do need to upgrade again I'm not having to replace everything in my box. Currently I have P4 with an AGP card talk about feeling hosed!! Suggestions?
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February 27, 2010 2:00:27 AM

You already answered your own question. Obviously the i7 is gonna outlast the rest.
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February 27, 2010 2:54:57 AM

aford10 said:
Supposedly, Intel is going to stick with the 1366 socket. The i7 920 is a very good all around CPU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keep in mind, the 1366 socket motherboard uses triple channel memory.



intel sticking with a socket???
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February 27, 2010 2:57:15 AM

That's the word going around.
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February 27, 2010 11:05:05 AM

i5-750 is the no brainer out of the 3 options for 99.99% of us, because there are very little apps utilizing more than 4 threads.

BTW, I never see my i5-750@3.6GHz running at 100% load except in stress test.
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February 27, 2010 11:33:26 AM

OK based on these opinions, here are the two builds I'm contemplating. Both systems can be built for about $1200.00.

CPU: i7-920 2.66 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366
HDD: 64 GB Solid State Disk
MoBo: Asus P6T SE Intel X58
RAM: 6GB DDR3/1600MHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX275 1792MB 16X

OR

CPU: i5-750 2.66 GHz 8M L2 Cache LGA1156
HDD: 32 GB 2.5 inch SATA Gaming MLC Solid State Disk
MoBo: GigaByte GA-H55M-S2H Intel H55
RAM: 4GB DDR3/1600MHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 1.7GB 16X

Six in one half a dozen in the other? Opinions?
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February 27, 2010 11:43:16 AM

How about?

Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P
Intel Core i5-750
Intel X25-M G2 80GB
4GB RAM
HD5850
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February 27, 2010 12:03:23 PM

That would probably be a nice rig however, a couple of things that I didn't mention before as they seemed irrelevant at the time. I'm having to build the entire system ground up - excluding mouse/KB/Monitor/7200 rpm HDD. Ati and I have reached a mutual understanding ... I don't use them and they don't randomly crash my system :non:  (no offense to the ati fans out there, I just have better luck with nVidia gpu's). Thanks for the suggestion though.
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February 27, 2010 12:08:34 PM

GTX295 and GTX275 are very bad in cost-performance ratio IMO.

Is there any chance for me to convince you?

If not.... Wait for Fermi if you are willing to pay for the price of a GTX295.
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February 27, 2010 12:18:00 PM

BTW, it is the first time I heard someone call me ATI fanboy! :lol: 
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February 27, 2010 12:18:38 PM

^+1

If you're willing to spend that much on a GPU, Fermi might be the perfect match.
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February 27, 2010 1:25:07 PM

andy5174 said:
BTW, it is the first time I heard someone call me ATI fanboy! :lol: 


Nope you did that through your own admission :)  lol

The willingness to pay for that GPU was in hopes of having a vid card that would not have to be updated in the next year or two. I looked hard at the 250 - 260 (216) just wasn't convinced it would last even in sli. Fermi looks promising (honestly had to look it up to see what the heck you were talking about - my ignorance) however not sure I want to wait (I was going to order Monday).

I can always scale down the GPU and add more RAM (or a bigger SDD :D ).

Ati - well.....the AGP's were simply horrid with any of my systems or at least with the games I frequently play - Battlefield Series, COD Series, and a few flight sims. Convince me that the ati pci-e cards don't have these issues and i may be willing to try them again.
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February 27, 2010 1:49:36 PM

The reviews of the 58xx series ATI cards have been good. There was an issue with grey screening on the 58xx and 57xx series cards. A fix has been issued for the 58xx series card.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ATI-Grey-Screen-Lines-...

ATI has progressed nicely since the AGP days. :) 

Do you plan on using a secondary drive to go with the SSD?
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February 27, 2010 2:06:59 PM

aford10 said:
Do you plan on using a secondary drive to go with the SSD?


Yes I was going to use my existing drive as storage and put the OS and most frequented games on the SDD.

As for ati I'm not sure that is convincing LOL
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February 27, 2010 2:14:00 PM

I'm not trying to sway you one way or the other. That's your decision to make. I think you should consider ATI, as they have better prices than NVIDIA.

If this helps, here's a hierarchy chart for the current video cards.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-graphic...
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February 27, 2010 2:57:03 PM

To concur with the above, it's ultimately your call on the GPU but SERIOUSLY consider the 5800 Radeons - ATI have come a very, very long way and they are top of the pile.

I honestly think Nvidia will have to pull out something special with Fermi (and the rumours aren't looking very promising - 8 and 6-pin power connectors? Custom cases just to keep them cool? Silicon not clocking up to where it's designed to be?) and even then ATI have a big lead.

I've never had the grey screen issue on any of the 5770s, 5850s and 5870s I've used/built but nonetheless they've been fixed for the 5800s so buying a card now makes it a non-issue.

If you want a card that will last you for at least a year or 2, you honestly can't go wrong with the 5850 then Crossfire the bugger later on when the prices crash.

Bear in mind you may slow the system down a bit if you recycle your old storage - 1TB SATA II drives (like the Samsung SpinPoint F3) are dirt cheap and very fast, and personally I don't see the point in adding time to the boot sequence to fire up a JMicron IDE controller just for an IDE optical drive when SATA ones are like £15.
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February 27, 2010 3:25:07 PM

OK....Careful or my ignorance might explode out of your fpd's and get all over the place.

Great chart very helpful - had to look at the reviews and benchmarks - Thanks for the eye opener :) 

My apologies to andy5174 and the suggested rig - no doubt you know your stuff.

Considering these rigs

Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P
Intel Core i5-750
Intel X25-M G2 80GB
HD5850

or

CPU: i7-920 2.66 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366
HDD: 64 GB Solid State Disk
MoBo: Asus P6T SE Intel X58
RAM: 6GB DDR3/1600MHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX275 1792MB 16X

OR

CPU: i5-750 2.66 GHz 8M L2 Cache LGA1156
HDD: 32 GB 2.5 inch SATA Gaming MLC Solid State Disk
MoBo: GigaByte GA-H55M-S2H Intel H55
RAM: 4GB DDR3/1600MHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 1.7GB 16X

Which build is going to last?


LePhuronn said:
Bear in mind you may slow the system down a bit if you recycle your old storage - 1TB SATA II drives (like the Samsung SpinPoint F3) are dirt cheap and very fast, and personally I don't see the point in adding time to the boot sequence to fire up a JMicron IDE controller just for an IDE optical drive when SATA ones are like £15.


Wahchu tokkin bout willis? I'm guessing you dislike the SDD's however, not gonna pretend to be right.
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February 27, 2010 3:43:34 PM

absolute GAMING performance: 3rd(GTX295) > 1st(HD5850) > 2nd(GTX275)

Best bang for the buck: 1st

All of them will last longer than 2 years for sure!

For the 1st option, you can add in another HD5850 later after 5850's price coming down. This will makes your system better than the 3rd with significantly lower cost.


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February 27, 2010 3:48:09 PM

I think the assumption is being made that this is for gaming. The best choice depends on the intended uses of the PC.

What are you going to use it for, in order of priority?
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February 27, 2010 3:48:10 PM

GTX275 and GTX295 will disappear soon and therefore you won't be able to SLI them later. Thus, we all suggested you get HD5850 which is the best bang for the buck in DX11 gfx so far.

aford10 said:
I think the assumption is being made that this is for gaming. The best choice depends on the intended uses of the PC.

What are you going to use it for, in order of priority?


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Slight_Disturbance said:
Ati - well.....the AGP's were simply horrid with any of my systems or at least with the games I frequently play - Battlefield Series, COD Series, and a few flight sims. Convince me that the ati pci-e cards don't have these issues and i may be willing to try them again.


It seems that this build is for gaming mainly.
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February 27, 2010 3:51:26 PM

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February 27, 2010 3:52:46 PM

aford10 said:
I think the assumption is being made that this is for gaming. The best choice depends on the intended uses of the PC.

What are you going to use it for, in order of priority?



No assumptions this is a game rig.
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February 27, 2010 4:03:35 PM

Then, I'd agree with Andy.

Though, for less cost, you could swap out the gtx 295 for a 5870.
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February 27, 2010 4:04:43 PM

Agree.

However, I still recommend i5+HD5850 more than the rest 2 setups.
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February 27, 2010 4:18:18 PM

+1 i5-750 + 5850

The only reason to chose nvidia today is if your mobo is sli only. Ati is winning the price/performance crown hands down.

The main difference between i7 (1366) and i5 is tripple channel memory and htm which both make nearly no difference in games.
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February 27, 2010 4:31:21 PM

Nobody suggesting AMD setups?
It has best price / performance, depending CPU you chose. AMD motherboards are cheaper than Intel core i5-i7 motherboards.

If you choose AMD, you will be more futureproofed. Because thuban going to be on AM3 and bulldozer will be on AM3+ or AM4. But it will work on AM3 too.
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February 27, 2010 4:41:50 PM

Since we also consider to add in another HD5850 to make CF later and AMD is not good enough for 2 high end cards, we recommend Intel only.
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February 27, 2010 4:49:20 PM

Slight_Disturbance said:
Wahchu tokkin bout willis? I'm guessing you dislike the SDD's however, not gonna pretend to be right.


You said

Slight_Disturbance said:
Yes I was going to use my existing drive as storage and put the OS and most frequented games on the SDD.


I said

LePhuronn said:
Bear in mind you may slow the system down a bit if you recycle your old storage - 1TB SATA II drives (like the Samsung SpinPoint F3) are dirt cheap and very fast...



I never said anything about SSDs or your OS drive.


As there's talk on here now about AMD systems, I'll just throw out there a Phenom II X4 955 on a nice Asus AM3 board, 4GB Patriot Sector 5 Viper II 1600MHz RAM. Won't work out much cheaper than an i5 750 system though.
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February 27, 2010 5:02:39 PM

Here's the verdict.


CPU: Intel Core i5-750
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P
HDD: 1TB SATA II 3.0GB
GPU: ATI HD5850
RAM: 8GB Corsair DDR3/1600MHz

Dumped the SSD and added 4GB RAM

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February 27, 2010 5:13:57 PM

You won't see the difference between 4GB and 8GB in gaming. In addition, the difference between the so expensive Corsair and other brands are minimal.

I suggest you get 4GB G.Skill eco 1.5V 1600 CL8/CL7 RAM and get some ice cream with the money saved. :) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It is just my suggestion though and you are the one to choose whether to take it or not.
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February 27, 2010 5:15:44 PM

BTW, SSD will help loading/botting time but not gaming.
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February 27, 2010 5:59:13 PM

My take:

CPU: Intel Core i5-750
Mobo: Asus P7P55D
SSD: Patriot Torqx 64GB or Intel X25-M 80GB
Data: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB
GPU: ATI Radeon 5850
RAM: 4GB Patriot Sector 5 Viper II 1600MHz CAS7
PSU: Corsair HX650 (ready for Crossfire with another 5850)

and if you drop on a good socket 1156 cooler you can overclock that bitch to at least 3.4GHz for some serious gaming kick.
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February 27, 2010 6:35:42 PM

Here's the Cart GROUND UP even OS :( 

DVD Sony 24x (not a blue ray so who cares lol) $23.99
Case Thermaltake Element G $119.99
GPU Sapphire Toxic HD5850 $349.99
PSU Antec 650w $74.99
RAM G. Skill 4GB $119.99
MoBo GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P $184.99
CPU Intel Core i5-750 $194.99
OS Windows 7 64bit (Pray for stability) $104.99
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 $34.99
HDD Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB
another $10.00 for thermal paste

Total Cost of Build $1309.00 + Shipping ($40)

Totally spaced off the HDD
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February 27, 2010 6:52:07 PM

Don't like the sound of that cooler - 92mm fan sounds a bit puny for a Lynnfield CPU.

You can save a bit of cash getting the standard Sapphire 5850 and overclocking it through Catalyst.

Other than that it seems fine to me.
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February 27, 2010 7:06:46 PM

Yep, both are excellent (top) coolers, though obviously the PM is a little better. All depends on what you want to spend.
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February 27, 2010 7:16:10 PM

Ok all sounds good, kept the Toxic (price variation wasn't too bad $30-$40) I'll let you know how it turns out. Thanks for all the advice!
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February 27, 2010 7:16:59 PM

Good luck!
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February 27, 2010 7:17:48 PM

You need to get a 120mm fan separately for the Megahalems/Mega Shadow which does push the price up - IF you're not interested in high-end overclocks it might be a bit overkill for the money.
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February 27, 2010 7:43:31 PM

Good pick. It should be enough for any OC below 3.6GHz and I don't recommend you go above 3.6GHz.
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February 28, 2010 12:48:39 AM

Best answer selected by Slight_Disturbance.
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