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AMD gamin system on TIGHT budget ($650)

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December 21, 2009 7:24:01 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: in two weeks from now.

BUDGET RANGE: 600-650 after rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: mostly gaming. for games like L4D2, COD, CS, CIVILIZATION IV.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard and mouse. everything else is required. and yeah, Windows7 and a decent monitor are also required. (didn't I say TIGHT :pt1cable:  )

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: mostly newegg.com but not a must.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US

PARTS PREFERENCES: I'll go with AMD CPU since my budget doesnt allow me any other choices. but I'll consider any Intel setup that would fit my budget.

OVERCLOCKING:Yesss

Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: SLI. Maybe in the near future since im buying a CHEAP graphic card.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: thought you guys might need to know that i'm a computer engineering degree holder that never had a PC in his life. ever ever ever :o .
ps.. I only have this lapF**top that crashed 5 times while i was writing this :fou:  .

Aight.. let's start with the part am picking:

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1- AMD Athlon II X3 435 Rana 2.9GHz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

cheaper than the phenom II x4 720 with almost comparable performance. and with a lil OC it will jst be perfect.

2-BFG Tech GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit Graphic Card.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

cheap and has a good performance for playing at 1680.

3- GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AM3 socket, good price and quality. the only downside is that it doesnt support SLI. I would need some suggestions on some
SLIs' motherboards in the same price range. Or cheaper :p  .

4- Western Digital Caviar Green 500GB 32MB Cache Hard Drive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

couldn't find any better choice.

5- LOGISYS Computer PS575XB 575W ATX12V SLI Ready Power Supply.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

will, i kno it might be the first time you hear about the manufacturer but it is CHEAP and got enough quality to run my setup
with SLI. Plus, im willing to use this computer for no more than 6 month before I build my monster rig this summer :sol: 

6- Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

7- Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 Memory.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

good brand name and latency.

8- LITE-ON Black DVD Burner.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

9- COOLER MASTER Elite 330 Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

good looking case for a cheap price.


10- ASUS VW224T Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Please Please if you know any better and cheaper monitor let me know.

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The total is going to be $752.63

that's waaaaaay over my budget. If you have any suggestions of replacing some parts with cheaper please say so.
I need to push that total to 650 Dollars which seems impossible here but any idea will be welcomed.

Thanks all in advance.... :hello: 



December 21, 2009 8:01:34 AM

ATI graphics card perform better than Nvidia ones and are often cheaper as well. Take a look the the 4XXX series, affordable and very good.

LOGYSIS is junk. Get an OCZ, Antec or Corsair CPU. 500W is plenty, even 400W can do the job. But if it's just for 6 months, go ahead. I'm just concerned because people often think 'Oh well, I'll salvage my no-name junk PSU and spend even more on a beastly CPU that offers no benefit to me, but it looks cool'

Consider an ASRock motherboard. They're usually cheaper and generally of acceptable quality.

You can save a bit on the memory. The difference between 9-9-9-27 and 7-7-7-20/24 is practically non-existent, but there is a price gap.

Caviar greens are very slow. Try to get a Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB. I don't know US prices, but in Europe they cost roughly the same.

Take a look at combo deals. You'll save a few dollars and still get quality stuff.
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December 21, 2009 8:12:46 AM

Thanks Silmarunya ....

actually ill go with cooler master case that has a 420W power supply.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

that will reduce the total by $20.

Also as I found out in another thread, Win7 is offered for college students for only $30 :) . so I will have a huge cut of $75. yaaaay

I'm still waiting on other ideas and suggestions......
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December 21, 2009 3:05:08 PM

Silmarunya said:
ATI graphics card perform better than Nvidia ones and are often cheaper as well. Take a look the the 4XXX series, affordable and very good.

LOGYSIS is junk. Get an OCZ, Antec or Corsair CPU. 500W is plenty, even 400W can do the job. But if it's just for 6 months, go ahead. I'm just concerned because people often think 'Oh well, I'll salvage my no-name junk PSU and spend even more on a beastly CPU that offers no benefit to me, but it looks cool'

Consider an ASRock motherboard. They're usually cheaper and generally of acceptable quality.

You can save a bit on the memory. The difference between 9-9-9-27 and 7-7-7-20/24 is practically non-existent, but there is a price gap.

Caviar greens are very slow. Try to get a Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB. I don't know US prices, but in Europe they cost roughly the same.

Take a look at combo deals. You'll save a few dollars and still get quality stuff.


How do you know Logysis is junk? I've used several in the past year and haven't had any of my customers complain. Had one power supply from them arrive bad, but both the shipping and retail boxes were crushed like an accordian. Most people that have told me Logisys is junk, are people who simply don't recognise the name, or feel everyone should be running a Core i7 975 Extreme.
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December 21, 2009 3:17:14 PM

Logisys is crap. Reference: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx . Excellent ranking of PSUs. If you're selling people Logisys, you should at least know how to spell the name. You should also take the time to do some research so you can actually do your job.

Agree with Silmarunya on the PSU, GPU, HDD and mobo suggestions.

Completely disagree with the timings. Here are some cheaper sticks with the same specs, but lower voltage: G.Skill Eco 1333 mhz CAS Latency 7 for $98.
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December 21, 2009 4:32:27 PM

Broken link I'm afraid.
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December 21, 2009 5:26:20 PM

EDIT: DOH! I should have read, you are getting windows for only $30. I am editing the items.


As you are upgrading in the summer this is only a dual dore CPU. This will game for ALL of the games you listed, and even some more demanding ones. This has a monitor, windows 7 retail )not one of those OEM things) and free shipping to any where in the US if you use the promo code for the case.

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows 7:
You are getting.

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This motherboard has another 2 RAM slots, so just get another 2 sticks of RAM when DDR3 price go down to what DDR2 were 6 months ago (I got 2x2GB for $40).

GPU/video card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Crossfire this when you feel it is needed. This has DX11 now, so have some fun on the new Bad Company 2 when it comes out. :) 
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December 21, 2009 6:02:53 PM

Link's fixed.

That build is really, really crappy. Do not use DDR2.

I hate to be saying this, but with you're budget, you shouldn't be building your own. Windows 7 and the monitor are already eating 1/3 of the budget. Go look at some Dell or HP towers in that price range. These builders will save you a lot just through the discounted prices they get on Windows and the monitors.

Just be aware of what you're getting. You will get a crappy PSU that will not let you expand. You will get a bottom rung motherboard. You will be messing with propritary parts that cannot be replaced. All of these things you'll just have to live with if you want a new computer now.
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December 21, 2009 6:20:14 PM

LIES! :p 

But what is wrong with DDR2 right now?

I am still running 3GB DDR2 in one computer, 4850, Athlon X2, and It does pretty good. There isn't THAT much of an upgrade with DDR3, other than in a while it will be cheaper than DDR2.

Also, I edited my post O_O OH, NO WAY :p 

He is getting windows for $30 (because of college), I am now able to suggest some better parts. He will not be getting a crappy PSU, and the parts are also pretty good. He may even be able to unlock that forth core, doubt it though.


EDIT: Also, he is upgrading in the summer so that changes everything. It is different if he was keeping it as his main for many years, but he isn't, so sometime parts don't have to be the latest and greatest. And I am not saying that either build I suggest was bad, actually the second (2 posts above) is pretty good, just budget doesn't mean death.
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December 21, 2009 6:27:10 PM

DDR2 is on its way out. DDR3 is on the way in. As always, newer tech is better. In a year or so, you won't be able to find DDR2. In addition, currently DDR2 and DDR3 builds are roughly the same price, meaning you're buying lower tech for more.

DDR2 is a great thing for OLD BUILDS. Any NEW BUILD should be DDR3 for any kind of staying power.

That build is decent now with current parts. Total is $642 including Windows, excluding shipping, taxes, rebates and potential combos...
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December 21, 2009 6:43:05 PM

I have $15 shipping to some random chicago address, so its a little over budget, but hey, you can always get 4770, which sacrifices DX11 and a little FPS but you gain $25. I personally suggest not drinking coffee/beer/whatever for a few days and getting the 5750 as it will be better in the long run. :) 
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December 21, 2009 6:43:10 PM

The gpu here can play modern games at high settings at a 1600 res, so it will be overkill for the 1440 res on the monitor.


AMD Athlon II X3 425 Rana 2.7GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$77


ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$60


Crucial 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model CT25664BA1067 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$78 for two sticks


Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$55 -Free Shipping


XFX HD-575X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
$140 -Free Shipping


LITE-ON Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDP118-04 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$18

Antec Two Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W Continuous Power ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$80 with combo discount


ASUS VW193TR Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 50000 :1 (ASCR) Built in Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$110 -Free Shipping

Total = $621 or 629 with the SATA optical drive
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December 21, 2009 6:54:02 PM

@MothMusic: OP's getting Windows at the student price. That optical is IDE, which is just a bad idea. The 4670 is really underpowered for the budget. You missed the extra $5 for the HDD...

The build Pepper put up is a better build for the price. Don't forget that Newegg usually has a cashback offer going through Bing, so that will save some money. It will take 60 days to get it though...
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December 21, 2009 6:56:17 PM

MadAdmiral said:
@MothMusic: OP's getting Windows at the student price. That optical is IDE, which is just a bad idea. The 4670 is really underpowered for the budget. You missed the extra $5 for the HDD...

The build Pepper put up is a better build for the price. Don't forget that Newegg usually has a cashback offer going through Bing, so that will save some money. It will take 60 days to get it though...


I didn't see he was getting Win 7 for $30. The 4670 is great for the monitor. And they raised the price for the Seagate hdd. I'll go ahead and update the build then.
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December 21, 2009 7:01:05 PM

4670 = Terrible for high settings on modern games, I know I have it in an HTPC. Its good for lower end/older games. Also, he is getting windows through the $30 college deal, so take that 70 and spend it on a better GPU, tak on of those ram sticks out, and use it to get a better motherboard, the one I listed, because it would be better spent getting because you can upgrade easier in the future. Also, what about the power supply? He will need on of those, again, the one I suggested. Also the case should be ATX not mATX. mATX are hard to fit things in, one of my relatives had one, and they wanted me to put a better GPU in, that was a nightmare. He ended up just getting a ATX case. And most better motherboards are ATX.
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December 21, 2009 7:08:01 PM

Or just go with Pepper's build...
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December 21, 2009 7:20:58 PM

MadAdmiral said:
Or just go with Pepper's build...


I just updated the original build.
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December 21, 2009 7:41:41 PM

Ide for an optical drive is fine. There is absolutely no difference in performance between the two. The only difference is the cabling. You make it sound like sata adds performance. Ide will work just fine. And it wont matter in a couple of years as dvd only drives will be obsolete well before ide.
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December 21, 2009 11:53:14 PM

There is a difference in performance. The standard SATA drive is 24x vs. 22x for IDE. Not a big diffference, but might as well buy something that isn't already obsolete...
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December 22, 2009 4:32:13 PM

I think i'm going with MothMusic build except for the monitor. I would like to have a 1600 monitor.

cause as mentioned the gpu will be able to play games with 1600 smoothly.

another thing is I should go with the 435 cpu since it can be OC easily n it's only $20 more expensive.

Thanks all for the segguestions.

when i get this build next week ill try to show some chart after and before OC. ;) 
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December 22, 2009 4:38:27 PM

double doss said:
I think i'm going with MothMusic build except for the monitor. I would like to have a 1600 monitor.

cause as mentioned the gpu will be able to play games with 1600 smoothly.

another thing is I should go with the 435 cpu since it can be OC easily n it's only $20 more expensive.

Thanks all for the segguestions.

when i get this build next week ill try to show some chart after and before OC. ;) 


The 435 is the same cpu as the 425, but it has its stock clockspeed set a bit higher thats all. So if your going to overclock, you could get the cheaper cpu, and then overclock it for cheap.
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December 23, 2009 2:39:51 PM

MadAdmiral said:
There is a difference in performance. The standard SATA drive is 24x vs. 22x for IDE. Not a big diffference, but might as well buy something that isn't already obsolete...


Yeah that would be great if they would build media that would burn correctly at 24x. I personally burn everything at 8x because of the errors associated with anything higher. So no there really isnt any difference. 24x vs 22x isnt a relevant arguement. The media wont burn properly at 24x. Not to mention 24x media is about nonexistant. Go with the ide if it will save you a couple of bucks.
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