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Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

My ThinkPad R31 was recently stolen, so I'm shopping for a replacement, and
it's driving me f'ing nuts. Just needed to vent a little bit...

I just can't win.

If I'm lucky, my insurance company will give me the whole CDN$2200 original
cost of my R31 (Celeron 1HGz, 128MB stock RAM + 256 option RAM, 30GB HDD,
DVD-ROM). For this if I stick with IBM, for about $CDN1800-$1900, I can get
into something like an R40: P4/1.5GHz, 256MB RAM, 40GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM
combo). This is a marginal improvement over a machine two years old, given
the standard rate of technology evolution. Worst still, the R-series still
have many of the same SKIMPY limitations that drove me nuts with my old R31:
only a single CardBus slot, no serial port, no audio line-in, no floppy, and
an LCD limited to 1024x768, even when you get into the 15" models.

Now on the other hand, for the same price, I can get a Toshiba that will
give me a P4/3GHz, 512MB RAM, 80GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo, floppy, AND 15"
widescreen 1280x800 display, as well as stereo speakers (not on the
ThinkPad), internal mic (not on the ThinkPad), AND an assortment of
media-card slots. Other manufacturers have similar specs in that price
range. Granted the IBM is an excellent, robust machine; I've owned two
ThinkPads and loved them both for their durability, but they seem to REALLY
be chintzy on features/power for price.

Now the only catch: I ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE DESPISE LOATHE CANNOT DEAL
WITH touchpads.... and IBM are the only people that seem to make TrackPoints
(aka eraser-mouse, kitten-nose, clit-mouse, etc.) anymore. If anyone else
does, they sure don't advertise the fact. One salesman told me Dell still
has'em, but their Canadian site is wonderfully devoid of any detailed
product specs.

I'm about ready to just blow off the laptop idea and build myself a new
screamin' desktop machine and get into a nice top-end Palm Treo or something
instead...
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  1. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    The Dell Inspiron 9100 I have has a Trackpoint as well as a touch pad.
    Can't comment on other brands (or even other Dell models), but you can see
    the HP's/Toshiba's/etc in store, most times.

    BTW, keep in mind that the R40 you're talking about has the Centrino
    processor. The Toshiba you're talking about (don't know which model, since
    you didn't specify) sounds like it would have a true P4 desktop processor.
    On my 9100, the battery life is about 90 minutes. And my laptop weighs
    about 10 pounds. Not a really convenient machine for travelling, but as a
    desktop replacement, it works pretty good. But it's not a comparable
    machine to the R40 you mention. It only has the single Cardbus slot, it
    doesn't have the serial port, but it does have a mic-in, USB 2.0, and
    FireWire ports. It also has built-in 10/100 networking, 802.11b/g, and
    SVideo, DVI, and VGA outputs. What do you need more than one Cardbus slot
    for? Just curious. I've only used them for network and modem cards, which
    are all built into most laptops nowadays. Oh yeah, and my 9100 has a
    1600x1050 display (WSXGA+). You can go higher, like 1900x1280 (WUXGA), I
    think, but I didn't see the need.

    Also BTW, my Dell is going back. Dell is shipping me out another one even
    as I type this. The display on mine is buggered up, and there's some errors
    being displayed on the HD diagnostics. Didn't work properly right out of
    the box, but I should have the new one this week.

    Clint

    "Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in message
    news:9pjIc.73934$WB5.54157@pd7tw2no...
    > My ThinkPad R31 was recently stolen, so I'm shopping for a replacement,
    and
    > it's driving me f'ing nuts. Just needed to vent a little bit...
    >
    > I just can't win.
    >
    > If I'm lucky, my insurance company will give me the whole CDN$2200
    original
    > cost of my R31 (Celeron 1HGz, 128MB stock RAM + 256 option RAM, 30GB HDD,
    > DVD-ROM). For this if I stick with IBM, for about $CDN1800-$1900, I can
    get
    > into something like an R40: P4/1.5GHz, 256MB RAM, 40GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM
    > combo). This is a marginal improvement over a machine two years old,
    given
    > the standard rate of technology evolution. Worst still, the R-series
    still
    > have many of the same SKIMPY limitations that drove me nuts with my old
    R31:
    > only a single CardBus slot, no serial port, no audio line-in, no floppy,
    and
    > an LCD limited to 1024x768, even when you get into the 15" models.
    >
    > Now on the other hand, for the same price, I can get a Toshiba that will
    > give me a P4/3GHz, 512MB RAM, 80GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo, floppy, AND
    15"
    > widescreen 1280x800 display, as well as stereo speakers (not on the
    > ThinkPad), internal mic (not on the ThinkPad), AND an assortment of
    > media-card slots. Other manufacturers have similar specs in that price
    > range. Granted the IBM is an excellent, robust machine; I've owned two
    > ThinkPads and loved them both for their durability, but they seem to
    REALLY
    > be chintzy on features/power for price.
    >
    > Now the only catch: I ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE DESPISE LOATHE CANNOT DEAL
    > WITH touchpads.... and IBM are the only people that seem to make
    TrackPoints
    > (aka eraser-mouse, kitten-nose, clit-mouse, etc.) anymore. If anyone else
    > does, they sure don't advertise the fact. One salesman told me Dell still
    > has'em, but their Canadian site is wonderfully devoid of any detailed
    > product specs.
    >
    > I'm about ready to just blow off the laptop idea and build myself a new
    > screamin' desktop machine and get into a nice top-end Palm Treo or
    something
    > instead...
    >
    >
  2. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Have you considered purchasing a used business class laptop? A friend
    recently purchased a T40 Pentium M 1.7Ghz w/512Mb RAM, 60Gb hdd, SXGA+,
    DVD/CDRW that was only 4 months old for CAD$2300. It has the remainder
    from the three year warranty left.

    You can also look into Compaq Evo laptops (particularly the Evo N620c)
    that are selling for around CAD$2000 as well. I recently purchased an
    Evo N600c P3-M 1.2Ghz, 512Mb RAM, 30Gb hdd, SXGA+, DVD/CDRW for CAD$1100.

    There are several stores in Toronto that specialise in reselling
    business class laptops. Some laptops are almost new, built-to-order that
    were returned to the manufacturer. Since Compaq or IBM can't sell them
    as new, they unload them to the resellers for a fraction of the cost.

    Cosmin

    Matt Ion wrote:
    > My ThinkPad R31 was recently stolen, so I'm shopping for a replacement, and
    > it's driving me f'ing nuts. Just needed to vent a little bit...
    >
    > I just can't win.
    >
    > If I'm lucky, my insurance company will give me the whole CDN$2200 original
    > cost of my R31 (Celeron 1HGz, 128MB stock RAM + 256 option RAM, 30GB HDD,
    > DVD-ROM). For this if I stick with IBM, for about $CDN1800-$1900, I can get
    > into something like an R40: P4/1.5GHz, 256MB RAM, 40GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM
    > combo). This is a marginal improvement over a machine two years old, given
    > the standard rate of technology evolution. Worst still, the R-series still
    > have many of the same SKIMPY limitations that drove me nuts with my old R31:
    > only a single CardBus slot, no serial port, no audio line-in, no floppy, and
    > an LCD limited to 1024x768, even when you get into the 15" models.
    >
    > Now on the other hand, for the same price, I can get a Toshiba that will
    > give me a P4/3GHz, 512MB RAM, 80GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo, floppy, AND 15"
    > widescreen 1280x800 display, as well as stereo speakers (not on the
    > ThinkPad), internal mic (not on the ThinkPad), AND an assortment of
    > media-card slots. Other manufacturers have similar specs in that price
    > range. Granted the IBM is an excellent, robust machine; I've owned two
    > ThinkPads and loved them both for their durability, but they seem to REALLY
    > be chintzy on features/power for price.
    >
    > Now the only catch: I ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE DESPISE LOATHE CANNOT DEAL
    > WITH touchpads.... and IBM are the only people that seem to make TrackPoints
    > (aka eraser-mouse, kitten-nose, clit-mouse, etc.) anymore. If anyone else
    > does, they sure don't advertise the fact. One salesman told me Dell still
    > has'em, but their Canadian site is wonderfully devoid of any detailed
    > product specs.
    >
    > I'm about ready to just blow off the laptop idea and build myself a new
    > screamin' desktop machine and get into a nice top-end Palm Treo or something
    > instead...
    >
    >
  3. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message
    news:zHjIc.73953$WB5.60781@pd7tw2no...

    > What do you need more than one Cardbus slot
    > for? Just curious. I've only used them for network and modem cards,
    which
    > are all built into most laptops nowadays.

    I did with just the one forever in my R31 as well... then one day I needed
    to plug another card in (little Nikon CoolPix 100 PC-Card camera) and
    discovered that the top half of the slot wasn't actually a working slot.
    That annoyed me.

    It's not something I used a lot, but I'd a real pain in the ass to not have
    it when you need it. Same with a serial port: I work with video
    multiplexors and other video equipment that can be programmed via RS-485
    interface (like the ol' Cisco DB-9/RJ-45 router cables, accessed through
    terminal login) and it would be nice to be able to use this feature.
    USB-to-serial adapters only sometimes, sort-of work for this.

    > Oh yeah, and my 9100 has a
    > 1600x1050 display (WSXGA+). You can go higher, like 1900x1280 (WUXGA), I
    > think, but I didn't see the need.
    >
    1600x1050 on the LCD would be lovely - I'm used to 1600x1200 on a 19"
    monitor at home, I just love having all that real estate, especially when it
    comes to audio editing.

    > Also BTW, my Dell is going back. Dell is shipping me out another one even
    > as I type this. The display on mine is buggered up, and there's some
    errors
    > being displayed on the HD diagnostics. Didn't work properly right out of
    > the box, but I should have the new one this week.

    Now see, that's the other thing... when I was first shopping for a laptop
    (ended up with a ThinkPad 380ED), my buddy tried endlessly to convince me to
    buy a Compaq like his... "Uh, yeah, and where's your Compaq now?" "Uh, well,
    I had to send it in for repairs again..." AGAIN. That stupid thing was
    back to the factory at least three times, usually for something stupid like
    the speakers not working. I bought my 380ED, and more recently my R31, and
    have never had problems with either of them (well, except that lovely
    tendency for the $300 lithium-ion batteries to stop holding a charge after
    barely a year... I have a little Milwaukee screwgun I bought in '91, uses
    2.4V NiCad batteries - I replaced the first one about four years ago, and
    the second only six months ago. Wonder if I can find a way to wire them up
    to my laptop?)
  4. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
    news:k1kIc.1$mok1.0@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

    > There are several stores in Toronto that specialise in reselling
    > business class laptops. Some laptops are almost new, built-to-order that
    > were returned to the manufacturer. Since Compaq or IBM can't sell them
    > as new, they unload them to the resellers for a fraction of the cost.

    Any in Vancouver?
  5. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Matt Ion wrote:
    > "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
    > news:k1kIc.1$mok1.0@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
    >
    >
    >>There are several stores in Toronto that specialise in reselling
    >>business class laptops. Some laptops are almost new, built-to-order that
    >>were returned to the manufacturer. Since Compaq or IBM can't sell them
    >>as new, they unload them to the resellers for a fraction of the cost.
    >
    >
    > Any in Vancouver?
    >


    Sorry, but I do not know of any, as I live in Toronto. But search on the
    net, that's how I found some of them...

    Cosmin
  6. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Yeah, the 1600x1050 should be nice, once I finally get it working. :)
    That's the part that doesn't work in my current Dell. Can't switch to the
    ATI drivers (monitor goes black when I do), so I can't use the custom
    resolutions. I used a 1400x1050 resolution unit before on a 14" display,
    and that was nice. On the 15.4" wide screen, it should be that much nicer!
    Plus it can (theoretically) do a multi-monitor if I hook it up to my desktop
    monitor, which will be that much better for coding!

    As far as reliability goes, to be fair to Dell, we've got about 16 Dell
    machines (3 servers, 3 laptops, and 10 workstations) in our office right
    now, and this is the first time I've run into a problem like this right out
    of the box. And I probably could have got a tech to come out (Next Day,
    On-Site) and jiggle the connector between the display and the graphics card,
    and swap the HD out for me, but on a brand new unit, I'm not so forgiving.
    :)

    Good luck with your shopping!

    Clint

    "Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in message
    news:QUnIc.75171$WB5.17909@pd7tw2no...
    >
    > "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message
    > news:zHjIc.73953$WB5.60781@pd7tw2no...
    >
    > > What do you need more than one Cardbus slot
    > > for? Just curious. I've only used them for network and modem cards,
    > which
    > > are all built into most laptops nowadays.
    >
    > I did with just the one forever in my R31 as well... then one day I needed
    > to plug another card in (little Nikon CoolPix 100 PC-Card camera) and
    > discovered that the top half of the slot wasn't actually a working slot.
    > That annoyed me.
    >
    > It's not something I used a lot, but I'd a real pain in the ass to not
    have
    > it when you need it. Same with a serial port: I work with video
    > multiplexors and other video equipment that can be programmed via RS-485
    > interface (like the ol' Cisco DB-9/RJ-45 router cables, accessed through
    > terminal login) and it would be nice to be able to use this feature.
    > USB-to-serial adapters only sometimes, sort-of work for this.
    >
    > > Oh yeah, and my 9100 has a
    > > 1600x1050 display (WSXGA+). You can go higher, like 1900x1280 (WUXGA),
    I
    > > think, but I didn't see the need.
    > >
    > 1600x1050 on the LCD would be lovely - I'm used to 1600x1200 on a 19"
    > monitor at home, I just love having all that real estate, especially when
    it
    > comes to audio editing.
    >
    > > Also BTW, my Dell is going back. Dell is shipping me out another one
    even
    > > as I type this. The display on mine is buggered up, and there's some
    > errors
    > > being displayed on the HD diagnostics. Didn't work properly right out
    of
    > > the box, but I should have the new one this week.
    >
    > Now see, that's the other thing... when I was first shopping for a laptop
    > (ended up with a ThinkPad 380ED), my buddy tried endlessly to convince me
    to
    > buy a Compaq like his... "Uh, yeah, and where's your Compaq now?" "Uh,
    well,
    > I had to send it in for repairs again..." AGAIN. That stupid thing was
    > back to the factory at least three times, usually for something stupid
    like
    > the speakers not working. I bought my 380ED, and more recently my R31,
    and
    > have never had problems with either of them (well, except that lovely
    > tendency for the $300 lithium-ion batteries to stop holding a charge after
    > barely a year... I have a little Milwaukee screwgun I bought in '91, uses
    > 2.4V NiCad batteries - I replaced the first one about four years ago, and
    > the second only six months ago. Wonder if I can find a way to wire them
    up
    > to my laptop?)
    >
    >
    >
    >
  7. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Thanks for the info, I may give the Dell a sniff (in fairness, my
    mail/ftp/web server is an old Dell PowerEdge 2200 that's absolutely solid as
    a rock - running an early release of Warp Server for e-Business, the only
    thing that's ever brought it down was bad sectors on ancient SCSI drives
    causing hardware traps in the filesystem drivers).

    "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message
    news:lYpIc.75609$P7.24213@pd7tw3no...
    > Yeah, the 1600x1050 should be nice, once I finally get it working. :)
    > That's the part that doesn't work in my current Dell. Can't switch to the
    > ATI drivers (monitor goes black when I do), so I can't use the custom
    > resolutions. I used a 1400x1050 resolution unit before on a 14" display,
    > and that was nice. On the 15.4" wide screen, it should be that much
    nicer!
    > Plus it can (theoretically) do a multi-monitor if I hook it up to my
    desktop
    > monitor, which will be that much better for coding!
    >
    > As far as reliability goes, to be fair to Dell, we've got about 16 Dell
    > machines (3 servers, 3 laptops, and 10 workstations) in our office right
    > now, and this is the first time I've run into a problem like this right
    out
    > of the box. And I probably could have got a tech to come out (Next Day,
    > On-Site) and jiggle the connector between the display and the graphics
    card,
    > and swap the HD out for me, but on a brand new unit, I'm not so forgiving.
    > :)
    >
    > Good luck with your shopping!
    >
    > Clint
    >
    > "Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in message
    > news:QUnIc.75171$WB5.17909@pd7tw2no...
    > >
    > > "Clint" <cneufeld@mysocks.shaw.ca> wrote in message
    > > news:zHjIc.73953$WB5.60781@pd7tw2no...
    > >
    > > > What do you need more than one Cardbus slot
    > > > for? Just curious. I've only used them for network and modem cards,
    > > which
    > > > are all built into most laptops nowadays.
    > >
    > > I did with just the one forever in my R31 as well... then one day I
    needed
    > > to plug another card in (little Nikon CoolPix 100 PC-Card camera) and
    > > discovered that the top half of the slot wasn't actually a working slot.
    > > That annoyed me.
    > >
    > > It's not something I used a lot, but I'd a real pain in the ass to not
    > have
    > > it when you need it. Same with a serial port: I work with video
    > > multiplexors and other video equipment that can be programmed via RS-485
    > > interface (like the ol' Cisco DB-9/RJ-45 router cables, accessed through
    > > terminal login) and it would be nice to be able to use this feature.
    > > USB-to-serial adapters only sometimes, sort-of work for this.
    > >
    > > > Oh yeah, and my 9100 has a
    > > > 1600x1050 display (WSXGA+). You can go higher, like 1900x1280
    (WUXGA),
    > I
    > > > think, but I didn't see the need.
    > > >
    > > 1600x1050 on the LCD would be lovely - I'm used to 1600x1200 on a 19"
    > > monitor at home, I just love having all that real estate, especially
    when
    > it
    > > comes to audio editing.
    > >
    > > > Also BTW, my Dell is going back. Dell is shipping me out another one
    > even
    > > > as I type this. The display on mine is buggered up, and there's some
    > > errors
    > > > being displayed on the HD diagnostics. Didn't work properly right out
    > of
    > > > the box, but I should have the new one this week.
    > >
    > > Now see, that's the other thing... when I was first shopping for a
    laptop
    > > (ended up with a ThinkPad 380ED), my buddy tried endlessly to convince
    me
    > to
    > > buy a Compaq like his... "Uh, yeah, and where's your Compaq now?" "Uh,
    > well,
    > > I had to send it in for repairs again..." AGAIN. That stupid thing was
    > > back to the factory at least three times, usually for something stupid
    > like
    > > the speakers not working. I bought my 380ED, and more recently my R31,
    > and
    > > have never had problems with either of them (well, except that lovely
    > > tendency for the $300 lithium-ion batteries to stop holding a charge
    after
    > > barely a year... I have a little Milwaukee screwgun I bought in '91,
    uses
    > > 2.4V NiCad batteries - I replaced the first one about four years ago,
    and
    > > the second only six months ago. Wonder if I can find a way to wire them
    > up
    > > to my laptop?)
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  8. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Clint wrote:
    > The Dell Inspiron 9100 I have has a Trackpoint as well as a touch pad.

    IBM's trackpoints are in a class of their own when compared to Dell's
    (or Toshiba's). Mr. Ion might in fact be thankful for the extra touchpad
    should he decide to get a Dell.


    > Can't comment on other brands (or even other Dell models), but you can see
    > the HP's/Toshiba's/etc in store, most times.
    >
    > BTW, keep in mind that the R40 you're talking about has the Centrino
    > processor. The Toshiba you're talking about (don't know which model, since
    > you didn't specify) sounds like it would have a true P4 desktop processor.
    > On my 9100, the battery life is about 90 minutes. And my laptop weighs
    > about 10 pounds. Not a really convenient machine for travelling, but as a
    > desktop replacement, it works pretty good. But it's not a comparable
    > machine to the R40 you mention. It only has the single Cardbus slot, it
    > doesn't have the serial port, but it does have a mic-in, USB 2.0, and
    > FireWire ports. It also has built-in 10/100 networking, 802.11b/g, and
    > SVideo, DVI, and VGA outputs. What do you need more than one Cardbus slot
    > for? Just curious. I've only used them for network and modem cards, which
    > are all built into most laptops nowadays. Oh yeah, and my 9100 has a
    > 1600x1050 display (WSXGA+). You can go higher, like 1900x1280 (WUXGA), I
    > think, but I didn't see the need.
    >
    > Also BTW, my Dell is going back. Dell is shipping me out another one even
    > as I type this. The display on mine is buggered up, and there's some errors
    > being displayed on the HD diagnostics. Didn't work properly right out of
    > the box, but I should have the new one this week.
    >
    > Clint
    >
    > "Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in message
    > news:9pjIc.73934$WB5.54157@pd7tw2no...
    >
    >>My ThinkPad R31 was recently stolen, so I'm shopping for a replacement,
    >
    > and
    >
    >>it's driving me f'ing nuts. Just needed to vent a little bit...
    >>
    >>I just can't win.
    >>
    >>If I'm lucky, my insurance company will give me the whole CDN$2200
    >
    > original
    >
    >>cost of my R31 (Celeron 1HGz, 128MB stock RAM + 256 option RAM, 30GB HDD,
    >>DVD-ROM). For this if I stick with IBM, for about $CDN1800-$1900, I can
    >
    > get
    >
    >>into something like an R40: P4/1.5GHz, 256MB RAM, 40GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM
    >>combo). This is a marginal improvement over a machine two years old,
    >
    > given
    >
    >>the standard rate of technology evolution. Worst still, the R-series
    >
    > still
    >
    >>have many of the same SKIMPY limitations that drove me nuts with my old
    >
    > R31:
    >
    >>only a single CardBus slot, no serial port, no audio line-in, no floppy,
    >
    > and
    >
    >>an LCD limited to 1024x768, even when you get into the 15" models.
    >>
    >>Now on the other hand, for the same price, I can get a Toshiba that will
    >>give me a P4/3GHz, 512MB RAM, 80GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo, floppy, AND
    >
    > 15"
    >
    >>widescreen 1280x800 display, as well as stereo speakers (not on the
    >>ThinkPad), internal mic (not on the ThinkPad), AND an assortment of
    >>media-card slots. Other manufacturers have similar specs in that price
    >>range. Granted the IBM is an excellent, robust machine; I've owned two
    >>ThinkPads and loved them both for their durability, but they seem to
    >
    > REALLY
    >
    >>be chintzy on features/power for price.
    >>
    >>Now the only catch: I ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE DESPISE LOATHE CANNOT DEAL
    >>WITH touchpads.... and IBM are the only people that seem to make
    >
    > TrackPoints
    >
    >>(aka eraser-mouse, kitten-nose, clit-mouse, etc.) anymore. If anyone else
    >>does, they sure don't advertise the fact. One salesman told me Dell still
    >>has'em, but their Canadian site is wonderfully devoid of any detailed
    >>product specs.
    >>
    >>I'm about ready to just blow off the laptop idea and build myself a new
    >>screamin' desktop machine and get into a nice top-end Palm Treo or
    >
    > something
    >
    >>instead...
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >
  9. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:44:21 GMT, "Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com>
    wrote:

    >My ThinkPad R31 was recently stolen, so I'm shopping for a replacement, and
    >it's driving me f'ing nuts. Just needed to vent a little bit...
    >
    >Now on the other hand, for the same price, I can get a Toshiba that will
    >give me a P4/3GHz, 512MB RAM, 80GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo, floppy, AND 15"
    >widescreen 1280x800 display, as well as stereo speakers (not on the
    >ThinkPad), internal mic (not on the ThinkPad), AND an assortment of
    >media-card slots. Other manufacturers have similar specs in that price
    >range. Granted the IBM is an excellent, robust machine; I've owned two
    >ThinkPads and loved them both for their durability, but they seem to REALLY
    >be chintzy on features/power for price.

    I replaced a 2-year-old Dell Inspiron with a Toshiba Satellite and
    have been very happy. The HD speed alone is a big improvement over my
    previous Inspiron, not to mention graphics and sound.
    >
    >Now the only catch: I ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE DESPISE LOATHE CANNOT DEAL
    >WITH touchpads.... and IBM are the only people that seem to make TrackPoints
    >(aka eraser-mouse, kitten-nose, clit-mouse, etc.) anymore. If anyone else
    >does, they sure don't advertise the fact. One salesman told me Dell still
    >has'em, but their Canadian site is wonderfully devoid of any detailed
    >product specs.

    I've never seen a Dell Inspiron or Latitude with a trackpoint. I don't
    care much for touchpads either, but easily get around the problem by
    using a conventional mouse.
    >
    >I'm about ready to just blow off the laptop idea and build myself a new
    >screamin' desktop machine and get into a nice top-end Palm Treo or something
    >instead...
    >
    Well, you can always get more power for less money if you go desktop.
    Depends on how important a small desk "footprint" or the ability to
    travel with the machine is to you.
  10. Archived from groups: ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad,alt.comp.sys.laptops,comp.laptops,comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    In article <9hp7f09ktce9j79g3vt9sann00bmkpcdd2@4ax.com>, Cyrus Afzali wrote:
    > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:44:21 GMT, "Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>My ThinkPad R31 was recently stolen, so I'm shopping for a replacement, and
    >>it's driving me f'ing nuts. Just needed to vent a little bit...
    >>
    >>
    >>Now the only catch: I ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE DESPISE LOATHE CANNOT DEAL
    >>WITH touchpads.... and IBM are the only people that seem to make TrackPoints
    >>(aka eraser-mouse, kitten-nose, clit-mouse, etc.) anymore. If anyone else
    >>does, they sure don't advertise the fact. One salesman told me Dell still
    >>has'em, but their Canadian site is wonderfully devoid of any detailed
    >>product specs.
    >
    > I've never seen a Dell Inspiron or Latitude with a trackpoint. I don't
    > care much for touchpads either, but easily get around the problem by
    > using a conventional mouse.

    The HP NC6000 Business Notebook has both: synaptics touchpad and synaptics
    touchstyk. I can highly recommend this laptop, but there are surely other
    HP business notebooks with the same touchpad/touchstyk setup.

    --
    charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/
  11. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Charl P. Botha wrote:
    > In article <9hp7f09ktce9j79g3vt9sann00bmkpcdd2@4ax.com>, Cyrus Afzali wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:44:21 GMT, "Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>My ThinkPad R31 was recently stolen, so I'm shopping for a replacement, and
    >>>it's driving me f'ing nuts. Just needed to vent a little bit...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Now the only catch: I ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE DESPISE LOATHE CANNOT DEAL
    >>>WITH touchpads.... and IBM are the only people that seem to make TrackPoints
    >>>(aka eraser-mouse, kitten-nose, clit-mouse, etc.) anymore. If anyone else
    >>>does, they sure don't advertise the fact. One salesman told me Dell still
    >>>has'em, but their Canadian site is wonderfully devoid of any detailed
    >>>product specs.
    >>
    >>I've never seen a Dell Inspiron or Latitude with a trackpoint. I don't
    >>care much for touchpads either, but easily get around the problem by
    >>using a conventional mouse.
    >
    >
    > The HP NC6000 Business Notebook has both: synaptics touchpad and synaptics
    > touchstyk. I can highly recommend this laptop, but there are surely other
    > HP business notebooks with the same touchpad/touchstyk setup.
    >

    The Thinkpad T4x series, the Compaq Evo N6xx series and other laptops
    have them both as well.

    Cosmin
  12. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    "Charl P. Botha" <cpbotha@i_triple_e.org> wrote in message
    news:cd0pk2$gad$1@news.tudelft.nl...
    > In article <9hp7f09ktce9j79g3vt9sann00bmkpcdd2@4ax.com>, Cyrus Afzali
    wrote:
    > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:44:21 GMT, "Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >>My ThinkPad R31 was recently stolen, so I'm shopping for a replacement,
    and
    > >>it's driving me f'ing nuts. Just needed to vent a little bit...
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Now the only catch: I ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE DESPISE LOATHE CANNOT
    DEAL
    > >>WITH touchpads.... and IBM are the only people that seem to make
    TrackPoints
    > >>(aka eraser-mouse, kitten-nose, clit-mouse, etc.) anymore. If anyone
    else
    > >>does, they sure don't advertise the fact. One salesman told me Dell
    still
    > >>has'em, but their Canadian site is wonderfully devoid of any detailed
    > >>product specs.
    > >
    > > I've never seen a Dell Inspiron or Latitude with a trackpoint. I don't
    > > care much for touchpads either, but easily get around the problem by
    > > using a conventional mouse.
    >
    > The HP NC6000 Business Notebook has both: synaptics touchpad and synaptics
    > touchstyk. I can highly recommend this laptop, but there are surely other
    > HP business notebooks with the same touchpad/touchstyk setup.

    Thanks, I'll look into that as well.

    I'm not nearly as concerned with performance as I am with just
    needing/wanting certain features.

    Frankly, at this point, I'm leaning more toward dropping my insurance money
    onto a Treo 600 (ACT! for PalmOS covers most of what I was doing for
    business on the laptop, which was tracking my work time on ACT! 6.0, which I
    also have on my desktop), and my wet-dream toy, a Canon Digital Rebel :)
  13. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    In article <lB5Jc.15008$ek5.4411@pd7tw2no>, Matt Ion wrote:
    >
    > "Charl P. Botha" <cpbotha@i_triple_e.org> wrote in message
    > news:cd0pk2$gad$1@news.tudelft.nl...

    >> The HP NC6000 Business Notebook has both: synaptics touchpad and synaptics
    >> touchstyk. I can highly recommend this laptop, but there are surely other
    >> HP business notebooks with the same touchpad/touchstyk setup.
    >
    > Thanks, I'll look into that as well.
    >
    > I'm not nearly as concerned with performance as I am with just
    > needing/wanting certain features.
    >
    > Frankly, at this point, I'm leaning more toward dropping my insurance money
    > onto a Treo 600 (ACT! for PalmOS covers most of what I was doing for
    > business on the laptop, which was tracking my work time on ACT! 6.0, which I
    > also have on my desktop), and my wet-dream toy, a Canon Digital Rebel :)

    A bit OT, but the word is out that the Nikon D70 is currently a better buy
    - also sub-$1000 digital SLR, like the Rebel. :)

    See: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond70/

    --
    charl p. botha http://cpbotha.net/ http://visualisation.tudelft.nl/
  14. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Matt Ion wrote:
    > My ThinkPad R31 was recently stolen, so I'm shopping for a replacement,
    and
    > it's driving me f'ing nuts. Just needed to vent a little bit...
    > Now the only catch: I ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE DESPISE LOATHE CANNOT
    > DEAL WITH touchpads....

    I know how you feel about touchpads but have you actually tried to use one
    for a reasonable amount of time?

    I bought an HP/Compaq laptop nearly a year ago and was at the point of
    shouting in capitals too because I just couldn't get on with the pad. I
    will still always use a mouse in preference when I have enough desk space
    but I've actually come to like the touchpad for its convenience when on the
    move (or even sitting up in bed with a cup of tea and a Visual Basic
    manual!) Also there are no twiddly bits to break or lose like some of the
    other solutions.

    If you've already given the pad a fair trial and still don't like it then
    keep on shouting but try to remember how hard it was to double click a mouse
    the first time you tried to use one (or was it just me?).

    David
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