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leonmurrayaust   12-21-2009 at 11:18:11 PM
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Hi guys here are two builds I am comparing. I will bite the bullet and go for the AM3 as it gives the oportunity to upgrade in the future. Any feedback on compatability or ideas are very welcome
AM2+
CPU/Processor Athlon II X 3 435 2900 AM3 € 53.45
MOBO/Motherboard M4A785-M € 63.20
RAM/Memory 3GB 2X1GB + 2X512MB
GPU/Graphics Card Radeon ASUS EAH 4670/DI/512MD3 € 61.26
HDD/Hard Drive - WD 500GB 16MB 7200rpm 3.5inch SATA3.0 € 41.00
ODD/Optical Disk Drive - DVD RW SAMSUNG 22x SATA € 18.25
PSU - Aopen QF50G - Case MidiTower w. USB/Audio 400W € 51.25
Total €288.41
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AM3AM3
CPU/Processor Athlon II X 3 435 2900 AM3 € 53.45
MOBO/Motherboard MSI 770-C45 AM3 ATX €55.64
RAM/Memory Kigston 2GB 1333MHz DDR3 € 43.51
GPU/Graphics Card Radeon ASUS EAH 4670/DI/512MD3 € 61.26
HDD/Hard Drive - WD 500GB 16MB 7200rpm 3.5inch SATA3.0 € 41.00
ODD/Optical Disk Drive - DVD RW SAMSUNG 22x SATA € 18.25
PSU - Aopen QF50G - Case MidiTower w. USB/Audio 400W € 51.25
Total € 324.36
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dndhatcher   12-21-2009 at 11:46:42 PM
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Did you notice you posted the same thing at least 3 times?

Go AM3 for ease of upgrades/replacement parts in the future.

4670 is like bare minimum graphics for gaming, but you have to go with what your budget can handle. Monitor resolution is what really determines how much graphics card you need for good gaming.

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leonmurrayaust   12-21-2009 at 11:53:46 PM
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dndhatcher wrote :

Did you notice you posted the same thing at least 3 times?

Go AM3 for ease of upgrades/replacement parts in the future.

4670 is like bare minimum graphics for gaming, but you have to go with what your budget can handle. Monitor resolution is what really determines how much graphics card you need for good gaming.


HI dndhatcher ithought I kept getting cut off :sleep: Yes I know the 4670 is basic but it will push 60-90FPS at 1280X1050 on games sampled by Toms Hardware so it will do for a while as I slowly upgrade piece by piece. Do you think I will have compatablity issues with the 4760 on an AM3 board? First build so I am researching a lot but advice is welcome. I hope I build better than I post forums :kaola:

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dndhatcher   12-22-2009 at 12:39:15 AM
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There wont be any compatibility issue if its a PCIE 4670 and an AM3 motherboard with a PCIEx16 slot. 1280x1050 is a good resolution for the 4670.

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megamanx00   12-22-2009 at 04:09:33 AM
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Certainly better to go AM3 if you can as the next gen of AMD CPUs will do away with the DDR2 controller and thus no longer be compatible with AM2+ boards. The only problem I have with your build is the PSU, but it's hard to do much else. Anyway see if you can't get the specs of that PSU. If possible, search for a combo deal on a case and decent PSU that wouldn't be too much more.

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False_Dmitry_II   12-22-2009 at 08:25:48 AM
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I wouldn't call 4670 "bare minimum" I've got it in my secondary comp and it does stuff like Dawn of War II at full. Even when running at 720p on my TV.

But yeah DDR3 would be the best bet. I'd say sell the old RAM to make up the difference of having to buy new RAM

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dndhatcher   12-22-2009 at 07:25:39 PM
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False_Dmitry_II wrote :

I wouldn't call 4670 "bare minimum"

What less expensive graphics card are you going to recommend for a gaming system? 4670 is the minimum card you can have and still be considered gaming and not "general purpose". Thats what I mean by bare minimum.

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False_Dmitry_II   12-23-2009 at 02:14:11 AM
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That's true. But "bare minimum" implies crappy. It actually performs quite well for such a low power card.

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dndhatcher   12-23-2009 at 06:55:28 PM
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False_Dmitry_II wrote :

That's true. But "bare minimum" implies crappy. It actually performs quite well for such a low power card.


It is crappy if you have a 1920x1080 monitor.

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False_Dmitry_II   12-23-2009 at 10:15:30 PM
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Yeah, but if you have a budget for a crazy monitor you have a budget for a graphics card to match. And if it's being used as a HTPC it isn't expected to game anyway.

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leonmurrayaust   12-24-2009 at 11:17:06 AM
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HI guys. I will be using the system for gaming and yes the 4670 is the most basic gaming card on the market but it will surfice for the resolutions I require. What do you know about putting the feed through to a flatscreen tv instead of a computer monitor. What sort of resolutions ar possible?

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dndhatcher   12-24-2009 at 07:23:49 PM
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Assuming you mean LCD TV? The TV manual will give you the specs.
720p LCDs are commonly 1366 x 768.
1080p LCDs are commonly 1920x1080.

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leonmurrayaust   12-25-2009 at 04:18:38 PM
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Thanks again for your feedback dndhatcher, yes I do mean with an LCD TV.
I asume I would need a better video card to push out a resolution of 1920x1080 at around 50 fps what would you suggest?
Would a smaller (20inch) screen look better at 1366x768 than a larger (40inch), because there are the same number of pixels in a smaller area or would they display the same quality?

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False_Dmitry_II   12-25-2009 at 11:34:07 PM
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For the second one that entirely depends on your own eyesight and your ability to discern differences (I've found these aren't the same thing apparently) so you'll simply have to test.

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leonmurrayaust   12-26-2009 at 12:13:50 AM
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dndhatcher wrote :

Assuming you mean LCD TV? The TV manual will give you the specs.
720p LCDs are commonly 1366 x 768.
1080p LCDs are commonly 1920x1080.



Thanks again for your feedback dndhatcher, yes I do mean with an LCD TV.
I asume I would need a better video card to push out a resolution of 1920x1080 at around 50 fps what would you suggest?
Would a smaller (20inch) screen look better at 1366x768 than a larger (40inch), because there are the same number of pixels in a smaller area or would they display the same quality?

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fuksi   12-26-2009 at 12:26:21 AM
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Generaly LCD monitors for PC have faster refresh rate with 2 or 5 ms delay, and faster image procesing, but on cheap LCD TV there is much more delay, even if they are rated with 5ms, and they also have slower procesing. So in reality u will get around 30-50ms delay.

So there you have why gaming will look better on 20" LCD monitor.

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arakrazy   12-26-2009 at 04:47:56 AM
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If budget is really tight, X3 425 may crop up €10-15 cheaper, which may free up budget for a better PSU?

Didn't happen in my case (in fact, found a 435 for basically same price as what I almost paid for a 425) and then just got a crappy PSU anyway! lol

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leonmurrayaust   12-27-2009 at 03:07:38 AM
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arakrazy wrote :

If budget is really tight, X3 425 may crop up €10-15 cheaper, which may free up budget for a better PSU?

Didn't happen in my case (in fact, found a 435 for basically same price as what I almost paid for a 425) and then just got a crappy PSU anyway! lol



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