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December 24, 2009 5:11:38 PM

Purchase date: Soon, latest a couple of weeks

Budget: Medium, though no specific figure, lets keep it as low as possible. £800+, maybe more if needed.

Usage: Everything gaming to word

Parts not required: Nothing, this a build from scratch and will be getting desk as well, but thats being arranged from another source. Although I dont have an os, may be able to get something cheaper, but for now, include it in your build recommendation.

Preferred websites: Dabs.com, scan.co.uk, overclockers.co.uk, aria.co.uk, cclonline.com etc, anything UK or can deliver to uk, such as ebuyer and amazon. So, no zipzoomfly and eggs please, however, alternative parts can be referenced from non UK sites.

Preferences: AMD and ATI, but would consider Intel if the cpu has a good chance when compared to overclocking.

Overclocking: NO, but will be in future when needed, such as if required for a new game (2-5years). He wants to keep it at stock for now till needed.

Resolution: None, monitor must be included as well

Comments: This is for my brother, who just recently wanted to buy a pc to replace his PS3. So, hes a console gamer and would like all the added benefits from pc. Almost always kept up to date with "hot/latest titles" for the ps3 and game types are varied.

He checked on cclonline.com and found a pc he's interested in before asking me. Now, Iv told him it would cheaper to match and even better components for around the same price:

http://www.cclonline.com/system-info.asp?product_id=346...

£799 inc VAT and "free delivery"

Summary of parts for this pre-configured build:

* AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Quad Core CPU
* 2GB Corsair Value Select 1066MHz DDR3 Memory Stick
* 2GB Corsair Value Select 1066MHz DDR3 Memory Stick
* Gigabyte GA-MA785GT-UD3H AM3 Motherboard
* 150GB Western Digital VelociRaptor 3.5" Hard Disk Drive
* 1TB Western Digital Caviar Black 3.5" Hard Disk Drive
* BFG GeForce GTX 275 OC 896MB
* LG GH22LP20 22x DVDRW
* CoolerMaster Centurion 590 (No PSU)
* 700W OCZ StealthXStream Power Supply

Here are a few recommendations from me so far, to him,

CPU is fine
RAM should be ok
shop around (ask you guys) reg the motherboard
shop around (ask you guys) reg the primary (os and games and programs) and secondary (storage) hard drives
Get an ATI 5*** instead of the 275
Any DVD writer should do (IDE preferred, iv had issues with SATA DVD drives, when booting to install os)
Case looks ok
PSU aint to bad either.

So, fire away.

PS. I have priced up all the parts seperately from scan.co.uk and it comes to £712.80 including VAT and delivery charges, so I already know just buying the parts seperately from online sites will save him some £££.

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December 24, 2009 5:44:02 PM

He's not an extreme gamer, so no fancy hardcore mice or keyboards. Iv recommended a 24" for his monitor and here is the build with all included, KB, mouse, OS, screen, speakers and the rest is just an exact match of what he found himself. He has big hands, so no tiny mice, and I assuming simple 2 speakers will do with headphone output which may be required.

Suggested mouse: Logitech G5, price unknown from scan.

Saitek PK 02AV Eclipse II Wired Keyboard, BackLit Purple, Red + Blue Keys, USB 1.1/2.0, Black £28.62

Coolermaster Centurion 590 Black £49.86

1TB Western Digital WD1001FALS Caviar Black, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache £70.89

LG GH22NP20 AUAU 22x DVD±R, 12x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, DVD-RAM x12, IDE Black OEM £17.41

150 GB Western Digital WD1500BLFS VelociRaptor, SATA 3Gb/s, 10000rpm, 16MB Cache, 4.2 ms £116.71

896MB Asus GTX 275 55nm, 2322MHz GDDR3, GPU 633 MHz, Shader 1404 MHz, 240 Cores, + Batman £169.94

AMD Phenom II X4 955 BlackEdition, Sok AM3, 3.2GHz, 8MB Total Cache, 125W, Retail £119.58

24" Acer V243HBD Black Full HD 1080P, Widescreen LCD, 1920x1080, 40,000:1 DCR, 300 cd/m², 2ms,VESA £147.94

Gigabyte GA-MA785GT-UD3H, AMD 785G, AM3, DDR3 1066/1333/1800, SATA 3Gb/s RAID, ATX, VGA £72.68

4GB (2x2GB) Corsair XMS3 DDR3, PC3-12800 (1600), 240 Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, XMP £84.69

Logitech Z320 Speakers, 2.0Ch, 10W RMS with 360 Degree Sound £33.32

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit, Single, - OEM £74.83

Carriage: £16.46

Total cost: £1002.92 so this is the new budget - £1000
December 24, 2009 8:11:17 PM

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December 24, 2009 8:50:38 PM

Its christmas eve, not many people on. Chill on the bumping.

First thing I saw was a velociraptor, which is now antiquated. The new 500gb platter drives are faster than old velociraptors. Get a samsung F3 500GB or 1TB - newer, faster, bigger, cheaper.

Why get a GTX 275? Its stuck at DX10 and newer games coming out will be DX11. It also burns more power and is slower than an ATI HD 5850. The only reason to stick with Nvidia is if you only play the 11 games that make use of PhysX (Batman Arkham Asylum is one of them).

If you are buying a bunch of high end internals, why not get a case with good cooling. Try a Coolermaster HAF 922 or Antec 900. Bottom PSU mount, top exhaust fan and front intake fan/s generally creates the best air flow.

No way should IDE be preferred for the DVD, get SATA. Newer, faster, better cables.
December 24, 2009 9:24:42 PM

What do you think of this?

AMD 965 125watt £125.93
https://www.pricelover.com/product/AMD_PHENOM_II_X4_965...

OCZ Platinum 4GB DDR3-1600 CAS 7 £61.43
http://www.firstreact.co.uk/details.php?s=g&p=2SDOCZ-3P...

Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 £101.20 (Chosen this for its USB 3.0 and Sata 3.0)
http://www.pcd-engineering.co.uk/webstore/product.php?p...

1TB 64MB Cache Samsung F3 (as recommended) £57.97
http://www.kikatek.com/product_info.php?products_id=130...

1TB WD Caviar Black £65.41
http://www.kikatek.com/product_info.php?products_id=773...

AMD 5770 £103.67
http://www.avsl.co.uk/shop/asus-eah57702dis1gd5-p-39033...

LiteOn IHAP122-19 With Nero £16.28
http://www.computerwebstore.co.uk/productinfo.asp?Produ...

Cooler Master Centurion 590 £46.64 (not sure about the case, but it looks pretty good?)
http://www.micomonline.co.uk/products.asp?partno=RC-590...

OCZ 700W StelthExtreme £45.99 (not sure on PSU either, so suggestions please?)
http://www.candccentral.co.uk/OCZ-StealthXStream-400W-P...

Saitek Eclipse II £25.74 (just needs a basic keyboard)
http://gogamer1.amazonwebstore.com/Saitek-Eclipse-II-Ke...

Logitech G5 £28.85 (comfortable for big hands, all extra buttons dont count)
http://www.punch-e.com/StoreFront/evolution_product.htm...

Logitech Z320 speakers £30.42
http://www.micomonline.co.uk/products.asp?partno=980-00...

Acer 24" V243HBD £146.46 (not sure about this, but want something nice and big)
http://www.okobe.co.uk/ws/product/Acer+V243Hbd+1920+x+1...

Win 7 64bit OEM £74.83
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Windows-7-Home-Premium-6...

All prices have VAT included

Total: £930.82

Lets estimate delivery cost, as this has not been included: £40?

So, £970.82

Ofcourse if I went Intel, I'd need a good cpu that would have the potential to overclock to 4.0ghz, a different motherboard and triple channel memory, so go ahead if you have these three in mind.

Could also get a 5750 and crossfire with another 5750, but is it worth it?

There is a possibility he will be hooking this build up to his TV as well, which is a 32" built in Freeview. Its fairly new for a tv, 1-2years and was brought from argos.
December 24, 2009 9:45:31 PM

Sorry dndhatcher, was making the list as posted in my last reply.

HD, this is from what he found and I have simply price matched, but from your suggestion I have updated my last post.

275, is from what he found and I have simply price matched, I would go 5850 if he can afford it, but Iv added 5770 for now.

Antec 900 £70.01
https://www.pricelover.com/product/Antec_NINE_HUNDRED_E...

CoolerMaster HAF 922 £78.83
http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?origin...

I have a spare SATA DVD Dual layer, which I can give him, so guess I will try that first, then order an IDE if needed.

And Thanks for your reply.
December 25, 2009 12:38:08 AM

I would scrap the GTX275 and the Velociraptor. You are better purchasing a Vertex 60GB... it blows up the Velociraptor and cost about the same price... if he can afford it!!!!... if he can't, scrap it and go ahead with a stronger video card like the 5850 which is awesome.

Nothing less than a 5850 for gaming... if you need to invest somewhere in your computer, it's there!

Also, the difference of price between DDR3 1066 and 1333 is marginal, get the maximum speed you can get from your motherboard, which is 1333MHz. You can get 1600 DDR3 since the AM3 allow 1600MHz in OC mode without any real tweaking.

Right now the OCZ Z 650W is an awesome power supply leaving the competition into the dust for it's price. 80plus silver certified, priced like the Corsair 650TX but with the quality of the Corsair 650HX and a better efficiency.

Phenom II X4 955
Asus M4A78T-E
4GB of generic DDR3 1333 --> you should invest in 1333 or 1600
ATI Radeon 5850
OCZ Vertex 60GB (if he can afford it)
Western Digital 1TB caviar Black
Any Sony DVD Burner (more quiet than LG)
Cooler Master HAF 922
OCZ Z 650W 80plus silver certified
December 25, 2009 3:08:29 AM

Please read all before posting?

Whats the point of having a ssd with just a few app's? That 60gb will get filled pretty quickly, and if i did get a seperate sata for just games and programs, things will just like normal sata. Getting another ssd for just games and programs would cost to much. So, no ssd's.

I have chosen a 5770 as it meets all his needs, but recommended a 5850, so this is his choice. If chooses 5850, will update on here.

Dont have a clue where you read 1033 ddr3 from. The original prebuilt from ccl shows 1066, the price match post shows 1600 and guess what, my recommended ram shows ocz 1600.

How can you post recommendations, when your not even reading whats requested and making things up?

Though it looks like you'v not noticed the psu iv posted, again, i would rather he has sufficient power for now and future.

Anyways, anybody got something reg my last post?
December 25, 2009 6:06:17 PM

So the build chose in my last post with all the parts is solid? Everything looking good?
December 26, 2009 3:36:05 PM

Anybody?
December 28, 2009 4:42:13 PM

Not many people on during xmas weekend.

Caviar black 1TB is a bit olders (uses three platters). Drives like the samsung F3 1TB that use two 500GB platters are faster.

If the AMD 955 BE is significantly cheaper, it almost matches the performance of the 965.
December 28, 2009 5:39:38 PM

Thanks,

was thinking of actually taking out the second hd and the dvd drive unless he needs them. I can partition the f3 and have a spare sata dvd for installation. As for the 955, its only £10 cheaper, so will leave that. The only other item is the gfx, which im hoping he'l choose 5850.

The entire build has been put on hold due to funds, till end of january, but if you have any other recommendations, please post. Is the psu ok?
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