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December 26, 2009 8:06:09 AM

I've had this Pentium 4 Dell Optiplex for about 6 years now and I'd really like to upgrade, I've been playing around with CyberPower's site and here's what I've got so far. I'll be primarily using the computer for some not so high end gaming, WoW and TF2 would be the primary intent. I'd also be using it to surf and watch HD videos. My main concern is am i overlooking anything, do i have enough power, is there something obvious i've overlooked? One thing i noticed was that the CPU i have was cheaper than the Core 2 Duo processor that was picked by default, it was a Core 2 Duo E8400 with 3.0GHz

It's the Gamer Infinity 8000 Dream model if that means anything >_>

Case: CoolerMaster Elite 310 Mid-Tower Case with See-Thru Side Panel (Blue Color)
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Default case fans
Power Supply Upgrade: 420 Watts Standard Case Power Supply
CPU: (Quad-Core)Intel® Core™ 2 Quad Q8300 @ 2.5GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit [-26]
Cooling Fan: INTEL LGA775 CERTIFIED CPU FAN & HEATSINK
Motherboard: MSI G31M3-L Intel G31 Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
Memory: 4GB (2GBx2) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 512MB 16X PCI Express [+45] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
Multiple Video Card Settings: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors
Hard Drive: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
Optical Drive: LG 22X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Dual Layer Drive (BLACK COLOR)
Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
Speakers: Logitech Z313 2.1 DT speaker [+33]
Wireless 802.11B/G Network Card: PCI Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Interface Card
USB Port: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
Office Suite: Free 60 Days Microsoft® Office® 2007 (Words, Excel, Access, Power Point, Outlook + More) - Microsoft Windows OS Required

Up to $687 and i might be looking to grab a monitor (maybe a better keyboard/mouse too in the future) would it be a problem to stick with an older 17" Dell LCD monitor?


*quick edit to expand on my initial question
December 26, 2009 9:27:14 AM

Ok after some browsing I see lots of people recommend going with DDR3, which will be about $60 more but won't break me for a setup i can keep around for a long time.



Case: CoolerMaster Elite 310 Mid-Tower Case with See-Thru Side Panel [-16] (Blue Color)
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Default case fans
Power Supply Upgrade: 420 Watts Standard Case Power Supply
CPU: (Quad-Core)Intel® Core™ 2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit [+30]
Motherboard: GigaByte GA-G41MT-ES2L Intel G41 Chipset LGA775 DDR3 mATX Mainboard w/ 5.1 Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA, 1 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI
Memory: 4GB (2GBx2) PC1333 DDR3 PC3 10666 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 1GB 16X PCI Express [-18] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
Hard Drive: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+10])
Optical Drive: LG 22X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Dual Layer Drive (BLACK COLOR)
Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
Speakers: Logitech S120 2.0 Stereo Speaker Set [+4] (Black Color)
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium [+104] (64-bit Edition)


This one totals up to $743 Need more power? I don't plan on messing around with overclocking or anything, so will i need to worry much about heat?
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December 26, 2009 12:23:54 PM

Well erm... It's better to build your own (or ask a friend/computer store employee to assemble it for you). Frankly, this build is rubbish. The memory won't even work! The intel 775 socket (which is officially dead btw) only supports DDR2, the PSU is junk, the price is too high for what you get,...

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December 26, 2009 1:25:50 PM

I priced this build out ,its much "better", you literally will have the same game performance, maybe a little better. Same video card, but the cpu is over twice as powerful.
833 dollars

GtS 250
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_1000/
Case: Apevia X-Cruiser 2 Mid-Tower Case w/ Side-Panel Window & MultiMeter Display (Black Color)
Neon Light Upgrade: None
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Default case fans
Noise Reduction Technology: None
Power Supply Upgrade: 600 Watts Power Supplies [+26] (SLI Ready Power Supply)
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-750 2.66 GHz 8M L2 Cache LGA1156
Venom Boost Fast And Efficient Factory Overclocking: No Overclocking
Cooling Fan: Intel LGA1156 Certified CPU Fan & Heatsink
Motherboard: [CrossFireX] Asus P7P55D LE Intel P55 Chipset DDR3 LGA1156 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe X16, 2 PCIe X1 & 3 PCI
Memory: 4GB (2GBx2) PC1333 DDR3 PC3 10666 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
Freebies: None
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 1GB 16X PCI Express [+58] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
Video Card 2: None
Video Card 3: None
Dedicated PHYSX Card: None
Free Game: None
Multiple Video Card Settings: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors
LCD Monitor: None
2nd Monitor: None
Hard Drive: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
Data Hard Drive: None
Hard Drive Cooling Fan: None
USB Portable Drive: None
Optical Drive: LG 22X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Dual Layer Drive (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: None
Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
Speakers: None
Network: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
Modem: None
Mega Notebook/Netbook/Server Bundle: None
Keyboard: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
Mouse: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
Gaming Gear: None
Extra Thermal Display: None
Wireless 802.11B/G Network Card: None
External Wireless Network Card: None
Wireless 802.11 B/G/N Access Point: None
Bluetooth: None
Flash Media Reader/Writer: None
Video Camera: None
Headset: None
Printer: None
Printer Cable: None
Power Protection: None
IEEE1394 Card: None
USB Port: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
Floppy: None
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
Windows 7 Upgrade Coupon: None
Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner: None
Office Suite: Free 60 Days Microsoft® Office® 2007 (Words, Excel, Access, Power Point, Outlook + More) - Microsoft Windows OS Required
Ultra Care Option: None
Service: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
Rush Service: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
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December 26, 2009 1:28:26 PM

Not really much of an improvement. A more powerful CPU won't yield a noticeable improvement in gaming performance, a better GPU sure will. Try to improve the GPU at all costs.

But why, why, why for god's sake spend $600 at utter junk if you can have a decent PC for that money? Buy components and assemble them, or ask/pay someone to do it for you. Better quality, better performance, better reliablity and better price.
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December 26, 2009 1:41:39 PM

Silmarunya said:
Not really much of an improvement. A more powerful CPU won't yield a noticeable improvement in gaming performance, a better GPU sure will. Try to improve the GPU at all costs.

But why, why, why for god's sake spend $600 at utter junk if you can have a decent PC for that money? Buy components and assemble them, or ask/pay someone to do it for you. Better quality, better performance, better reliablity and better price.

What are you talking about, first off your original advice was fail.
That chipset in his original post he specified does support ddr3.
Some people don't feel confident enough to build their own machines.
Look at posts from frustrated people that can't get their machines running correctly or have
rma'd thier whole build one piece at a time,hunting for their problem. Thats some peoples worst case scenario, they want to avoid. Don't condemn everything but buying parts one at a time. Its not for everyone.
How do you come to the statement of spending 600 dollars for junk ?
That company lets you select the components, Asus m/b - corsair ram.
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December 26, 2009 2:26:33 PM

notty22 said:
What are you talking about, first off your original advice was fail.
That chipset in his original post he specified does support ddr3.
Some people don't feel confident enough to build their own machines.
Look at posts from frustrated people that can't get their machines running correctly or have
rma'd thier whole build one piece at a time,hunting for their problem. Thats some peoples worst case scenario, they want to avoid. Don't condemn everything but buying parts one at a time. Its not for everyone.
How do you come to the statement of spending 600 dollars for junk ?
That company lets you select the components, Asus m/b - corsair ram.


Did I ever say he had to build it himself? Most people don't like it, tbh I'm not that fond of it either. But your local computer store will almost always be willing to assemble the components you buy there for a small fee. That will end up cheaper and better quality.

And everything I've seen in this thread cannot possibly do as a gaming build. The CPU might be good, but the GPU is too weak. I never see the brand name of the PSU either and that is the one part you don't want to skimp on.

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December 26, 2009 4:31:07 PM

I know i really should try and do it myself, but its rather intimidating, plus i'd have to do a lot more homework around here for compatibility and all that, I'm really not looking to get too high end with the CPU/GPU but you are right they are probably trying to give me a bad generic PSU, I'm trying to stick with Intel/NVIDIA (did homework on these and feel more comfortable with them right now, is the GTS 250 really not that great?)for a setup, I know nothing about motherboards right now except for DDR2/DDR3 compatibility, RAM would be 4 gigs (2x2gig) of whichever is compatible with my board. Dunno anything about cooling fans or cooling in general, or cases for that matter but as long as its something like a standard desktop sized case it should be fine. I have 0 experience building a pc, most i've really done is pop in some new ram and a newer graphics card into my current computer.

Basically i can do it(at least i have the tools and ability to, just not the experience or knowledge of it), feels like i'm asking for some really bad newbie mistakes to pop up on me.

If i'm gonna do this build i need to capitalize on the holiday prices over at newegg. Like i said the main goal is to try and keep it under $700 while having quality parts, i'm not trying to push the envelope of high performance gaming, just run things like WoW and TF2 smooth and well.
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December 26, 2009 5:19:20 PM

Just remember you need a high definition monitor to watch HD movies. That means a 21.5 inch monitor or above for 1920x1080 resolution would really be your best bet. That will run you about $150.
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December 26, 2009 5:26:04 PM

If you feel Nvidia is your best bet, I'd recommend you do your homework again. At the moment ATI has a solid lead in every inch of the market, from ubercheap to extreme monsters.

The problem I see here is that you're going to end up with a rubbish PSU, ergo with a bad PC in general. However, if you absolutely want to take that risk, it might turn out to be all right.
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December 26, 2009 5:54:13 PM

Also realize that this is the HOMEbuilt system forum, so many home brewers will obviously plug in a response similar to Silmarunya in that... if you have a ~$700 budget, you should probably be looking to build or own or having someone help you assemble the parts. It's not rocket science and learning to build your own machine is a life skill :) .

The PC you have built is decent at best. GTS 250 should be okay for WoW and TF2, but I wouldn't settle for okay. 775 is on its last legs and if you did pick up a game in the future, chances are a GTS 250 wouldn't cut it for a competitive gaming experience. Despite your preference for intel and nvidia, you should consider an AM3 budget build.

For example, an x3 720 would provide a good balance of 3 cores for whatever multi-cored processes you use and is future proof. It also has a high clock speed and high O/C potential, which you probably won't bottleneck anyways but WoW is relatively CPU-intensive. Not to mention, it's way cheaper than a q8300. You can pick up a better video card whilst saving money, or pool more budget towards a nice monitor. If this interests you in the slightest, I suggest reading the "how to ask for help" thread and format your needs in that way so we have an easier and better understanding of how we can specifically help you or offer a build.
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December 26, 2009 6:12:15 PM

I meant that i had read more on the Intel cpu's and Nvidia gpu's and their different models, I haven't read up on the AMD/ATI models but they are starting to look more appealing for what i'm trying to do, build on the cheap side. Grabbing an AM3 board, along with a Phenom II CPU and a



AM3 Board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU
No idea and there are sooo many choices on newegg, granted i can guess i'll be interested in an upper ATI 4000 series or a 5000 card but after just going through the CPU section (much easier to digest and compare)i'm kinda lost on what to look for in a GPU

I know i'm not trying to SLI or Crossfire, just looking for a single card that has bang for a buck.
Is it always advisable to stick with your chipset/cpu manufacturer's GPUs? eg: keep an Nvidia with Intel and ATI with the AMD boards/cpus?
Is building a computer really as easy as it seems in the Step-by-step sticky? It seems once you make sure everything's compatible and you get quality parts it shouldnt be too hard....
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December 26, 2009 6:45:52 PM

For your convenience, I'll try to post some ATI cards in order of increasing performance. Just pick the most expensive one that remains within budget out of the following list:
4850-4870-5770-5850

No, there's no reason to keep brands together. BTW, Nvidia and Intel having nothing to do with eachother.

From the CPU's you selected, the 955 is obviously the best one. However, it's better to go with the cheaper 720 and spend the money saved on a better graphics card. Always keep this in mind when building a gaming system: GPU>CPU.

A few GPU's you might want to look at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $154.99 (get this if budget allows for it)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99 (an older, but more affordable alternative)

No, it's not hard. Take your time however. Put all parts on a table before you, put on an antistatic wriststrap and most of all: read the manuals of every part (especially the mobo) until you know every last letter of every last page. If you do that, you'd have to get a lot of bad luck for anything to go wrong.
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December 26, 2009 7:16:01 PM

Yeah this is gonna be an interesting project that's for sure, thanks for the input everyone, i'll be sure to make an new topic when i get some more concrete parts and ideas in a better format, seeing as how the topic title no longer really applies at all lol. So for now i'll be off to the respective parts forum sections and doing lots of reading, thanks for the ATI card recomendations. I won't try and skimp on the PSU either, a case may be the weirdest thing to pick from.
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December 26, 2009 8:13:03 PM

my onl;y advice is to google cyberpower pc customer service. It scared me off. If you do not live in an area that has a local computer shop for a custom one, I would seriously look at the customer service aspect of any PC you buy. Also, I have read that there have been problems with poor instillation of components of cyberpower pcs. My 2 cents...if you are uncomfortable with fixing your computer yourself, spend a few sheckles more, buy it at best buy, get the premium insurance policy, and then for 3 years you could literally drop it out the window, sorry it "fell out the window after being hit off my desk by my son" abd they will either fix it or give you credit towards another computer equal to your original sale price. Had...have it on my laptop, new one every 2.75 years...
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