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December 24, 2009 8:52:17 PM

Hello!

I am new to computer gaming and finally bought a pc. I know it isn't the best but I would like to upgrade the video card in it, as it only has integrated chipset. I am wanting to spend around $100 and would not like to go over 120. I want a card that can play most games and last for some time. Would even like to play Crysis on medium- high settings. I've read about people having problems with their power supply, so I would like to get a card that uses very little power so I do not have to replace the power supply.

Here are the specs of my pc

Manufacturer # AV021AA#ABA
processor brand AMD
processor model Athlon II X4 Quad-Core
memory 8 GB
hard drive capacity 640 GB
optical drive DVD±RW/DVD-RAM/DVD±R Double Layer
operating system Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
processor speed 2.6 GHz
frontside bus speed 4000 MHz
memory speed PC2-6400


Thank you for your help!

Andrew

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December 24, 2009 10:39:57 PM

With your comment "last for some time" there is only one real option, the new tech from AMD, their 5 series, as its the only card released with DX11.

Lowest for now is their 5750 and I highly recommend you take a look:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Check the specification to make sure your power supply is sufficient, if you are unsure, post here with your current PSU make and model.

If you can wait there is an unconfirmed date for the 5 series low end cards, which should include even more power saving and great goodies. These will obviously be cheaper and be perfect for you.

Nvidia are soon (by soon with Nvidia I mean in the next 6months) to release their DX11 cards, so if you have plenty of time, wait for this and see what comes out by them. There initial release will be aimed at high end gamers, where the market is at, so you may still not like it, however, this will have a direct impact on the prices from AMD, so its a win win situation.
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December 24, 2009 11:34:04 PM

Judging on so many Computer Systems ive seen, built, specifications, etc. This system should have a 500W PSU but to make sure, open up your computer case and take a look at the back at the top. There should be a box with a label, reply us the brand, model, and watts of it so we can know more. If my hyptothesis is correct, then you should be able to use the HD5750, even though it says it requires a minimum of 500W PSU, it uses the same power as the Nvidia Geforce 9800GT and it doesn't really matter how much watts your power supply is, what matters more is the +12V railings on the PSU, thats what should be minimum requirements for graphics cards because some PSUs may be a bit low watts but they are good quality.
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a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2009 11:40:45 PM

I would have recommended the 5750 too, but OP doesn't want to pay more than $120, most 5750's on newegg are $140.
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December 25, 2009 1:29:52 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-310-5970,24...

Here's the "winners" from THG's latest (December) GFX Roundup
Best Graphics Cards For The Money: December '09


$50 - HD 4650
$65 - HD 4670 / 9600 GSO
$85 - 9600 GT
$95 - 9600 GT / HD 4830
$110 - GTS 250 512 MB
$120 - GTS 250 1 GB
$155 - HD 5770 / GTX 260
$200 - HD 4890
$240 - 2 x GTS 250
$310 - No winner (HD 5850 Honorable Mention)
$330 - 2 x GTX 260 / 2 x HD 5770
$400 - 2 x HD 4890
$410 - No winner (HD 5870 Honorable Mention)
$465 - No winner (GTX 295 Honorable Mention)
$625 - No winner (HD 5970 Honorable Mention)
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December 25, 2009 2:54:20 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-310-5970,24...

Here's the "winners" from THG's latest (December) GFX Roundup
Best Graphics Cards For The Money: December '09


$50 - HD 4650
$65 - HD 4670 / 9600 GSO
$85 - 9600 GT
$95 - 9600 GT / HD 4830
$110 - GTS 250 512 MB
$120 - GTS 250 1 GB
$155 - HD 5770 / GTX 260
$200 - HD 4890
$240 - 2 x GTS 250
$310 - No winner (HD 5850 Honorable Mention)
$330 - 2 x GTX 260 / 2 x HD 5770
$400 - 2 x HD 4890
$410 - No winner (HD 5870 Honorable Mention)
$465 - No winner (GTX 295 Honorable Mention)
$625 - No winner (HD 5970 Honorable Mention)


For around 110 i'd go with that GTS 250. But where is the 4870 on that chart?
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a c 190 U Graphics card
December 25, 2009 3:19:14 AM

Yes, GTS 250 for around $100.
I think HD 4870 is the same level with HD 5770 or GTX 260...
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December 25, 2009 4:09:43 AM

Manchurian said:
Hello!

I am new to computer gaming and finally bought a pc. I know it isn't the best but I would like to upgrade the video card in it, as it only has integrated chipset. I am wanting to spend around $100 and would not like to go over 120. I want a card that can play most games and last for some time. Would even like to play Crysis on medium- high settings. I've read about people having problems with their power supply, so I would like to get a card that uses very little power so I do not have to replace the power supply.

Here are the specs of my pc

Manufacturer # AV021AA#ABA
processor brand AMD
processor model Athlon II X4 Quad-Core
memory 8 GB
hard drive capacity 640 GB
optical drive DVD±RW/DVD-RAM/DVD±R Double Layer
operating system Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
processor speed 2.6 GHz
frontside bus speed 4000 MHz
memory speed PC2-6400


Thank you for your help!

Andrew

First I need you to answer a question first and that would be what is the PSU max watts that you have in your case.

I have these few in mind

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161287 This only need 400 Watts PSU or Greater

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133304R This is 400 watts or greater
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December 25, 2009 4:36:02 AM

sabot00 said:
I would have recommended the 5750 too, but OP doesn't want to pay more than $120, most 5750's on newegg are $140.

This HD5750 is $130 with free shipping after applying the promo code;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 25, 2009 6:04:09 AM

jyjjy said:
This HD5750 is $130 with free shipping after applying the promo code;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Well if you were reading the post he said a video card under $100 dollars or just about $100 dollars. The most he is will to spend maybe is $120 dollars.
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December 25, 2009 6:09:45 AM

I was responding to someone saying the card cost $140. Is suggesting something $10 over budget really something to get on my case over anyway?
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December 25, 2009 6:20:16 AM

jyjjy said:
I was responding to someone saying the card cost $140. Is suggesting something $10 over budget really something to get on my case over anyway?



I'm Sorry, don't mean to make it sound if I'm attacking you guys, Just wanted to add something
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December 25, 2009 8:57:01 PM

Keiki646 said:
First I need you to answer a question first and that would be what is the PSU max watts that you have in your case.

I have these few in mind

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161287 This only need 400 Watts PSU or Greater

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133304R This is 400 watts or greater






I looked up the pc on Hp's website. They state the PSU is 300w

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01...


Does that hurt my options?

Thanks for your help!
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a b U Graphics card
December 25, 2009 9:36:19 PM

Try a 4670, it says it require 400W but Tom's had a high-end system and the 4670 ate less than 200W at full load.
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December 25, 2009 10:04:41 PM

Manchurian said:
I looked up the pc on Hp's website. They state the PSU is 300w

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01...


Does that hurt my options?

Thanks for your help!


Yes that would hurt your option there. An 300 PSU is not going to cut it specially if you system is already using about 189 Watts.
It's always a good idea to make sure that you have enough PSU Watts when you are looking or installing for a video card.
Don't listen to a reply that says the (4670 ate less than 200W at full load). Listening to what is needed for a video card it's always recommended. So if it does says 400 Watts is need and recommended then it's recommended.

You might want to look into aftermarket PSU at good prices but with good watts support.
A video card can used up to 110 idle and 145 watts Load. Now if your system is already using that 189 watts then what happens when you install the video card. Shut down. System will not boot-up. Also its always good to have enough watts in a PSU.

If you are thinking about getting the video card and is says 400 watts is needed then I will go for a 500 watt PSU. Looking for a PSU is key here as well. Make sure that you are looking for the right one and it must be compatible. Most are in some cases :) 
You have to also balance the V-rails as well. You don't want to have everything on one rail. So think about it and I hope you can make the best choice for yourself.
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December 25, 2009 10:45:22 PM

The entire system took less than 200W at full load.
I suggest OP buys the 4670, plugs it in, plays 3DMark Vantage or an intensive game benchmark at the highest settings & runs Prime95 for a night.

Then he can decide whether or not to go with a new PSU.
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December 25, 2009 11:06:09 PM

I really am thankful for your replies. However, I really do not want to take a chance in hurting anything on my pc.

Are there any good video cards that recomend a 300w psu?

I found one but do not know how well it will perform.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


What kind of performance can I get out of that?

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December 25, 2009 11:06:56 PM

sabot00 said:
The entire system took less than 200W at full load.
I suggest OP buys the 4670, plugs it in, plays 3DMark Vantage or an intensive game benchmark at the highest settings & runs Prime95 for a night.

Then he can decide whether or not to go with a new PSU.



Have you thought about the rails? You have to take this into note that HP does use generic PSU.

Well I'm going to say this our of experience, I had a client/ friend that wanted to do the same with is computer.
He took one look at my systems and wanted a gaming computer. I told him what he needed to know about upgrading to thing like CPU, Graphic Card and ETC but he fail by now listening what was important.
To what happen next wasn't a like I knew it was bound to happen. I said to him about his PSU and video card.

Correct he was running a 300w PSU and order a 4600 series ATI graphic card and not stop working after 40 minutes.
This has happen to a lot of people I've came across on the web or friends that are getting into building RIG. (I've got them into it)
The rails were gone and he has to order a 80Plus PSU, but luck for him I had a 300w sitting around my home.
That one rail can turn that smile on your face into a unhappy one...

Then come to decide that he wanted to build a fresh new system. Gave the computer to his wife and we started on a new system that I build for him with in 8 days. Point of the story was that I don't trust generic PSU from Dell, HP, Toshiba and ETC.

This might work for him for a while but at some time he is going to notice what I have been trying to say.
I understand that we are all trying to help him in the best way but I just don't want to see or hear something going wrong.
I hate for thing to happen that way for someone like himself.


But I have what you are looking for that don't need 6pin power

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162042
This is a great brand than the palin brand

or this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121354
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December 25, 2009 11:07:54 PM

I suggest OP, or one of you guys check his power requirement using the calculator:
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

Testing with installing and using a 300, will most likely not work, even if it did, a generic crappy psu will crap out sometime in the future. In most cases it will take something else with it, its not a chance I or anyone should recommend, and for that reason I suggest OP gets a decent PSU, something like a 500-600 watt, which will be great for current specs and any future upgrades.
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December 25, 2009 11:10:19 PM

Well, I know that but from experience (my HP 250W PSU runs a 4670) I would think it would probably run it.

Since he will get a new PSU either way I suggested he get it & stress GPU/CPU for a night to see if it works.

OP should post PSU model/specs.
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December 25, 2009 11:10:56 PM

Keiki646 said:
Have you thought about the rails? You have to take this into note that HP does use generic PSU.

Well I'm going to say this our of experience, I had a client/ friend that wanted to do the same with is computer.
He took one look at my systems and wanted a gaming computer. I told him what he needed to know about upgrading to thing like CPU, Graphic Card and ETC but he fail by now listening what was important.
To what happen next wasn't a like I knew it was bound to happen. I said to him about his PSU and video card.

Correct he was running a 300w PSU and order a 4600 series ATI graphic card and not stop working after 40 minutes.
This has happen to a lot of people I've came across on the web or friends that are getting into building RIG. (I've got them into it)
The rails were gone and he has to order a 80Plus PSU, but luck for him I had a 300w sitting around my home.
That one rail can turn that smile on your face into a unhappy one...

Then come to decide that he wanted to build a fresh new system. Gave the computer to his wife and we started on a new system that I build for him with in 8 days. Point of the story was that I don't trust generic PSU from Dell, HP, Toshiba and ETC.

This might work for him for a while but at some time he is going to notice what I have been trying to say.
I understand that we are all trying to help him in the best way but I just don't want to see or hear something going wrong.
I hate for thing to happen that way for someone like himself.



I appreciate your honesty. While looking at cards, I noticed some do not state a recommended psu such as this one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Will a card work if it only recommends a 300W PSU or should I still be weary?
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a b U Graphics card
December 25, 2009 11:14:43 PM

Be weary of the rails, especially the 12V rail. Look at the sticker on your PSU.
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December 25, 2009 11:14:57 PM

Boxa786 said:
I suggest OP, or one of you guys check his power requirement using the calculator:
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

Testing with installing and using a 300, will most likely not work, even if it did, a generic crappy psu will crap out sometime in the future. In most cases it will take something else with it, its not a chance I or anyone should recommend, and for that reason I suggest OP gets a decent PSU, something like a 500-600 watt, which will be great for current specs and any future upgrades.


Correct, this is what I have been trying to you him understand but he know.
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December 25, 2009 11:15:46 PM

Let me open it and Ill post pictures.
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December 25, 2009 11:18:06 PM

Manchurian said:
I appreciate your honesty. While looking at cards, I noticed some do not state a recommended psu such as this one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Will a card work if it only recommends a 300W PSU or should I still be weary?


Well this card that I've pick out for you should work fine.
If my data serve me correctly this graphic card will only take about 80watts or less but most of the energy will be
coming from the mobo/PCI X slot. But I also recommended this because the heatsink does cover the GPU and memory.

The Palin didn't even cover it or was even touching the memory on the graphic card
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a b U Graphics card
December 25, 2009 11:20:50 PM

It takes less than 75W.
The PCI-E is rated only to push 75W, there's no external power connector.
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December 25, 2009 11:22:35 PM

sabot00 said:
It takes less than 75W.
The PCI-E is rated only to push 75W, there's no external power connector.



He's right about that information. You are in the clear
but note that always pick a card that have a heatsink that is in contact with the GPU and Memory.
The best Video cards you can get.
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December 25, 2009 11:36:09 PM

Alright, did not take a picture but wrote everything down as follows:

LITEON

MODEL NO PS 5301-08HA
ROH5
DCOUTPUT 300W
INPUT 100-27V
OUTPUT +5V/25A MAX +12v/19AMAX
COMBINED POWER ON +5V AND 3.3 V RAILS
NOT TO EXCEED 175W MAX

COMBINED POWER ON +12V AND +5 RAINS NOT EXCEEDE 268W MAX
CONTINOUS TOTAL OUTPIT SHALL NOT EXCEEDE 300w

LEVEL 3


this is all that was on the psu
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December 25, 2009 11:41:37 PM

Manchurian said:
Alright, did not take a picture but wrote everything down as follows:

LITEON

MODEL NO PS 5301-08HA
ROH5
DCOUTPUT 300W
INPUT 100-27V
OUTPUT +5V/25A MAX +12v/19AMAX
COMBINED POWER ON +5V AND 3.3 V RAILS
NOT TO EXCEED 175W MAX

COMBINED POWER ON +12V AND +5 RAINS NOT EXCEEDE 268W MAX
CONTINOUS TOTAL OUTPIT SHALL NOT EXCEEDE 300w

LEVEL 3


this is all that was on the psu


You are ready to order that video card? You can install that video card (If you like it)
ASUS is a good brand and like I said before that it's always good to look for a Graphic card with a heatsink that has
contact with the GPU and Memory
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December 26, 2009 12:14:44 AM

I am ready to make place an order. Thank you for your help. With your expert knowledge is this the best card I can get given my current psu and specs? Will this card fully funtction with my pc?


Thank you very much
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December 26, 2009 2:05:35 AM

Manchurian said:
I am ready to make place an order. Thank you for your help. With your expert knowledge is this the best card I can get given my current psu and specs? Will this card fully funtction with my pc?


Thank you very much

Yes, As long as you don't have a AGP (HAHA)
located the PCI Express x16 slot
should be black or blue one of the colors
(note) somtimes they come in red
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December 26, 2009 2:20:27 AM

That would be funny! I didnt reopen the case but I checked on HPs website under my pc and it shows this :

Expansion slots
Slot type Quantity
PCI Express x16 One (One available)
PCI Express x1 Three (Two available)


So, it looks as if I have one open. Which will be a nice spot for my new gfx card!

Anything else I should be looking at? Also, I am fairly new with installing hardware on my pc. However, I hear it is very easy to install a gfx card. Could a newbie do it as long as I follow instructions? If not a local pc place will do it for $30.


Thanks
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a b U Graphics card
December 26, 2009 2:26:30 AM

Yes, it is very easy.
Don't fret it.
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December 26, 2009 2:42:52 AM

Manchurian said:
That would be funny! I didnt reopen the case but I checked on HPs website under my pc and it shows this :

Expansion slots
Slot type Quantity
PCI Express x16 One (One available)
PCI Express x1 Three (Two available)


So, it looks as if I have one open. Which will be a nice spot for my new gfx card!

Anything else I should be looking at? Also, I am fairly new with installing hardware on my pc. However, I hear it is very easy to install a gfx card. Could a newbie do it as long as I follow instructions? If not a local pc place will do it for $30.


Thanks


It's easy, Just line the graphic card up with the PCI X16 slot but don't insert it too hard. and one you have insert it and you are done
Do make sure you have the lasted driver from Nvidia. Just in case you do want to overclocked it but for now you don't want to..So let's just take one step at a time
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a b U Graphics card
December 26, 2009 2:46:17 AM

Make sure the PCI-E slot's retainer clicks into place.
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December 30, 2009 8:22:17 PM

I think I may have a problem. I got the card in and installed it and everything works fine, however the box recommends a 450w power supply? Does that mean it is not what I need for my pc?
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a b U Graphics card
December 30, 2009 9:48:50 PM

We've been saying that for the entire thread.

Do you notice any problems?
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December 30, 2009 9:56:50 PM

no, everything runs fine. And cool

Keiki recommended it and sent me the link to the exact obne i purchased. Nvidia's website give a 300w minimum and all the other cards I looked at that use the 240 all give a min. of 300w. The Asus one keiki linked me too did not have a recomendation on newegg. Since all the other ones ( msi, sparkle.. etc) said 300, I assumed this one was 300W aswell. When i put it in I looked at the box and it says 450W.....

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_240_us....


What should I do?
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December 30, 2009 10:22:59 PM

I already bought and have installed the 240, however asus version says it needs 450W minimum, i have a 300w. All the other 240's says 300w ( such as msi, sparkle etc) Even nvidia says 300. Newegg didnt have a psu requirement on this card. So, i assumed, like all the other 240s that it was only 300. Come to find out asus card recomends 450. I just want to know if it will work without messing up my pc
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a b U Graphics card
December 30, 2009 11:42:50 PM

It might, probably will work.
You won't know until it does.
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December 31, 2009 2:01:13 AM

Well it works and has been for 1 hour of cod4. So I hope it lasts. Thanks
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December 31, 2009 2:19:53 AM

Manchurian said:
I already bought and have installed the 240, however asus version says it needs 450W minimum, i have a 300w. All the other 240's says 300w ( such as msi, sparkle etc) Even nvidia says 300. Newegg didnt have a psu requirement on this card. So, i assumed, like all the other 240s that it was only 300. Come to find out asus card recomends 450. I just want to know if it will work without messing up my pc

It is just fine on your 300watt. Asus is just covering themselves against low quality PSU's their card is no different than the others. I have one here that is rated at 680watts but only has 19amps on the single +12volt rail. It would run your card no better than your 300watt.
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January 1, 2010 3:47:05 PM

I am thinking about possibly upgrading my psu. I have read about them and would like a modular one. I was wondering any of you have any suggestions? I have a full case so would any psu work? Also, I am new to installing pc hardware. The video card is all ive ever installed. Is this something to I could install by just following instructions? I want something that isnt to pricey, but is going to last for a while and allow possibly upgrades down the road.


Ive been looking at this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and possibly this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

thanks for your help
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